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| Kato |
Tue 27th May 2008, 11:57pm
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Let's cut back to the chase:
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| thekohser |
Wed 28th May 2008, 7:10pm
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Root, I think Jonny is saying that the pinprick is coming to pop the bubbles of "anonymous authority". I'll bet Jonny sees a future where you can print up whatever you want on the Internet, or on paper flyers on telephone poles, or shouted from rooftops... about whatever China, Scientology, Myanmar, Saudi topic you want.
But if you're going to do it anonymously, don't expect anyone to pay serious attention to its credibility. Jon, sorry if I failed to interpret your meaning properly. |
| Rootology |
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Root, I think Jonny is saying that the pinprick is coming to pop the bubbles of "anonymous authority". I'll bet Jonny sees a future where you can print up whatever you want on the Internet, or on paper flyers on telephone poles, or shouted from rooftops... about whatever China, Scientology, Myanmar, Saudi topic you want. But if you're going to do it anonymously, don't expect anyone to pay serious attention to its credibility. But that's one point I disagree on as well. Wikipedia has it's issues, that's true, and I'm NOT disputing that. But if we took an independent website that was an authority on something--let's say the House of Saud, Exxon Mobile, or Halliburton. If the information is sound, and accurate, shouldn't that be entirely then the reader's discretion alone to determine it's weight and value... if the author of HouseofSaud-watch.com, ExxonMobile-watch.com, or Halliburton-watch.com is anonymous? On the Wikipedia front, Jimbo had dismissed WikiTruth as a hoax, that they fictionalized content, etc., until WikiTruth simply posted them I think hovering admin tools over Jimmy's own user page, wasn't it, and by demonstrating they had access to Deleted and Oversighted revisions. They're still anonymous, and an authority. My whole point is that the MESSAGE is what matters and has value--not the author. An author or expert is just a name, or face, and not important. A Dickens novel is a Dickens novel in quality, regardless if he published it under the name Charles Dickens or Pierre Dumont; a Twain tale is a Twain tale in quality where he published in his name, or under the non de plume of "Farty McStinks Alot". A solid analysis on finance by Greenspan is a solid analysis of finance, regardless of whether it's written in his name, or if he publishes to http://treasury-dude.blogspot.com. A message worth reading or publishing is one that stands on it's value independent of it's author's name. |
Kato Power of Wikipedia + Lack of Accountability = Bad News Tue 27th May 2008, 11:57pm
wikiwhistle
Let's cut back to the chase:[list]
[*][b]Due ... Wed 28th May 2008, 12:40am
Rootology due to the visibility of wikipedia articles, and t... Wed 28th May 2008, 5:44pm
Jon Awbrey
I believe I've said before that Wikipedia is ... Wed 28th May 2008, 5:52pm

Rootology
Most respectable publishers in the real world ear... Wed 28th May 2008, 6:18pm

Angela Kennedy
... This argument you've presented is basica... Thu 29th May 2008, 7:43am

Jon Awbrey
This argument you've presented is basically ... Thu 29th May 2008, 11:36am

thekohser
... Do Wikipedia articles get slanted sometimes ... Thu 29th May 2008, 12:41pm

Jon Awbrey
Do Wikipedia articles get slanted sometimes in t... Thu 29th May 2008, 12:48pm
Moulton I believe I've said before that Wikipedia is m... Wed 28th May 2008, 7:46pm
Milton Roe
Let's cut back to the chase:[list]
[*][b]Due ... Wed 28th May 2008, 12:54am
Giggy I tend to agree with that statement, though I... Wed 28th May 2008, 12:56am
Moulton The main problem with the statement is that it... Wed 28th May 2008, 1:16am
Milton Roe
The main problem with the statement is that it... Wed 28th May 2008, 1:40am
Kato
The main problem with the statement is that it... Wed 28th May 2008, 3:05am
Jon Awbrey If memory serves — don't ask who controls th... Wed 28th May 2008, 2:24am
Milton Roe
If memory serves — don't ask who controls t... Wed 28th May 2008, 4:16am
Jon Awbrey
Let's cut back to the chase:[list]
[*][b]Due ... Wed 28th May 2008, 3:52am
Jon Awbrey RE: Power of Wikipedia + Lack of Accountability = Bad News Wed 28th May 2008, 4:28am
everyking There are some problems with lack of accountabilit... Wed 28th May 2008, 4:42am
Angela Kennedy
Let's cut back to the chase:[list]
[*][b]Due ... Wed 28th May 2008, 8:03am
Jon Awbrey Angela,
The problems that you mention have a lot ... Wed 28th May 2008, 2:10pm
Jon Awbrey No one here is saying any automatically bad things... Wed 28th May 2008, 6:24pm
Rootology
No one here is saying any automatically bad thing... Wed 28th May 2008, 6:28pm
Jon Awbrey Don't let this beautiful fantasy about a wikip... Wed 28th May 2008, 6:34pm
Rootology
Don't let this beautiful fantasy about a wiki... Wed 28th May 2008, 6:36pm
Jon Awbrey I have answered all of these questions, time and a... Wed 28th May 2008, 6:45pm
Rootology I have answered all of these questions, time and a... Wed 28th May 2008, 7:00pm

Kato
But that's one point I disagree on as well. W... Wed 28th May 2008, 7:52pm

Rootology The whole process lacks any checks or balances, no... Wed 28th May 2008, 8:58pm
Jon Awbrey
Root, I think Jonny is saying that the pinprick i... Wed 28th May 2008, 7:24pm
Jon Awbrey I think that this thread went off topic somewhere ... Wed 28th May 2008, 9:16pm
Rootology I think that this thread went off topic somewhere ... Wed 28th May 2008, 9:32pm
Jon Awbrey
I think that this thread went off topic somewher... Wed 28th May 2008, 9:36pm
Rootology You have the Internet confused with Usenet.
No, I... Wed 28th May 2008, 9:41pm
darbyl
I never said that, no. I also never said that th... Wed 28th May 2008, 10:34pm
Rootology Accountability has nothing to do with anonymity. ... Wed 28th May 2008, 10:54pm
dogbiscuit
[quote name='darbyl' post='104826' date='Wed 28th... Thu 29th May 2008, 12:29am
Jon Awbrey Pure Helium …
You obviously have no clue how mu... Wed 28th May 2008, 10:06pm
Rootology You obviously have no clue how much easier it is f... Wed 28th May 2008, 10:08pm
Jon Awbrey
You obviously have no clue how much easier it is... Wed 28th May 2008, 10:14pm
Rootology And we have enforced derailment. YOU WIN AT THE IN... Wed 28th May 2008, 10:33pm
Moulton It can't actually be an exponential, since the... Thu 29th May 2008, 1:10pm
Neil If you apply some basic systems thinking principle... Thu 29th May 2008, 1:33pm
thekohser
Reverting vandalism is wasted effort? Always. R... Thu 29th May 2008, 2:10pm
Jon Awbrey
If you apply some basic systems thinking principl... Thu 29th May 2008, 2:38pm
Lar
If you apply some basic systems thinking principl... Thu 29th May 2008, 2:53pm

dogbiscuit
I don't think anyone has ever done time and m... Thu 29th May 2008, 3:32pm
Anaheim Flash
In order to this, you need to understand what th... Thu 29th May 2008, 10:40pm
dogbiscuit
In order to this, you need to understand what t... Thu 29th May 2008, 10:53pm
Neil
If you apply some basic systems thinking princip... Thu 29th May 2008, 3:00pm
Jon Awbrey
You're comparing Fear of Vandalism to Fear of... Thu 29th May 2008, 3:12pm
Neil
That's one analysis, yes but another (from c... Thu 29th May 2008, 3:16pm
Jon Awbrey
[quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='104956' date='Thu ... Thu 29th May 2008, 3:26pm
thekohser
We need to finish this quickly before Moulton sho... Thu 29th May 2008, 3:27pm
Moulton We need to finish this quickly before Moulton show... Thu 29th May 2008, 9:32pm
Jon Awbrey Jimbo knows exactly who his target demographic is.... Thu 29th May 2008, 4:07pm
Neil
In order to this, you need to understand what t... Fri 30th May 2008, 8:34am
Jon Awbrey
[quote name='Anaheim Flash' post='105088' date='T... Fri 30th May 2008, 1:48pm![]() ![]() |
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