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> World War II, The anti-US version
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post Tue 10th June 2008, 4:51pm
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When will Oberiko and his group stop?

He's won just about every argument he's had, and still keeps going.

He's got the article under constant semi-protection.
He's deleted the American picture from the lead montage, and now there are 2 Soviet, 2 Commonwealth, and 2 Japanese.
The Intro and infobox refuse to say that the war started in 1939, and the 1937/39 debate continues.
The Intro and infobox don't list the major combatants
The major commanders aren't listed anywhere in the article. (For fun, try to find "Eisenhower" or "Zhukov" anywhere on the page using Edit --> Find on this Page.)

The entire article is written in Oberiko's weird wiki-summary style where the proper names of events are hidden within Wiki-links. See the Normandy Invasion coverage, in its entirety:
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In June, 1944, the Western Allies invaded northern France


And check my favorite passage:
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The Soviets decided to make their stand at Stalingrad which was in the path of the advancing German armies and by mid-November the Germans had nearly taken Stalingrad in bitter street fighting when the Soviets began their second winter counter-offensive, starting with an encirclement of German forces at Stalingrad[94] and an assault on the Rzhev salient near Moscow, though the latter failed disastrously.[95


I've been following the article for years now, and seen people come and go but basically anyone who doesn't agree with Oberiko gets frustrated and leaves. He's not afraid to swing his administrator status and have people blocked who edit war with him or Parsecboy.

I could go through line by line and point out not only anti-Western and anti-American bias, but also outright errors. Take the first line of the Background section:
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In the aftermath of World War I, the defeated German Empire signed the Treaty of Versailles.[7]

How does anyone not notice this for months and months? I've been watching it as an experiment to see if Wikipedians will ever get a clue, but, well, you see. Later in the background you'll find out that Germany's goal with Austria was to make it a "satellite state". Both of these statements are referenced too?

Insult to injury: the Holocaust is described as "the systematic purging of Jews in Europe". Well I'm pretty sure English isn't Oberiko's first language, but then why doesn't anyone help him? Oh right, because it's so obvious that the article is Owned that you'd be an idiot to try to help.

I know this breaks my rule of thumb not to help Wikipedia myself, but it is the number one search result and I'm feeling a bit of remorse just letting it fester, with it being around D-Day this week and having just recently talked to guy who was a B-29 pilot based in Saipan. I can't believe a generation of kids might be seeing their first encyclopedia article about WWII on Wikipedia.

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post Mon 22nd February 2010, 6:24pm
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Still to this day Wikipedia can't get this top 20 article to "good article" status.

For added fun they've reignited the "combatants and commanders in the infobox" edit wars.

If you want to give yourself an aneurysm, pick who you think the top five Allies should be and go try to explain it to the Wikipedians.
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Still to this day Wikipedia can't get this top 20 article to "good article" status.


Writing a broad overview article like WWII is boring and tedious. Writing a detailed article on an individual battle or weapon system is much more interesting and enjoyable for someone who isn't being paid to do it. That's one of the reasons why Wikipedia has featured articles on battles where less than 500 people died but the WWII and Pacific Campaign articles are in bad shape.
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Emperor   World War II   Tue 10th June 2008, 4:51pm
cyofee   Boo hoo, America isn't mentioned enough. There...   Tue 10th June 2008, 6:58pm
Emperor   Boo hoo, America isn't mentioned enough. Ther...   Tue 10th June 2008, 9:52pm
Peter Damian   How does anyone not notice this for months and m...   Tue 10th June 2008, 7:12pm
sarcasticidealist   Could you help me out here, as I know very little ...   Tue 10th June 2008, 9:14pm
guy   Were I to wish to be a dingus about this, I'd...   Tue 10th June 2008, 9:20pm
sarcasticidealist   What about the Italian invasion of Abyssinia in 19...   Tue 10th June 2008, 9:29pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Saying the war started in 1937 is an error, not a...   Tue 10th June 2008, 9:32pm
Emperor   How does anyone not notice this for months and ...   Tue 10th June 2008, 9:38pm
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