Goatse on WP Options

[Somey]

Even raging, 60's counterculture hippies eventually turned into "get off my damn lawn!" oldsters at some point.

Black & white binary thinking at its finest!

That's right, everyone who grew up in the 60's was a "counterculture hippie," by definition. I guess now we'll also have to assume that everyone who grew up in the late 70's had spiky hair, safety pins through their noses, and listened to the Sex Pistols on their Walkmans while they threw bricks through shop windows.

I was in a grey area once myself... I wanted to paint it a nice bright summery color, but the realtor told me that would reduce the "resale value."

[Apathetic]

Even raging, 60's counterculture hippies eventually turned into "get off my damn lawn!" oldsters at some point.

Black & white binary thinking at its finest!

That's right, everyone who grew up in the 60's was a "counterculture hippie," by definition. I guess now we'll also have to assume that everyone who grew up in the late 70's had spiky hair, safety pins through their noses, and listened to the Sex Pistols on their Walkmans while they threw bricks through shop windows.

I was in a grey area once myself... I wanted to paint it a nice bright summery color, but the realtor told me that would reduce the "resale value."

I don't think Tarc said that everyone who grew up in the 60's was a counterculture hippie

[Milton Roe]

Even raging, 60's counterculture hippies eventually turned into "get off my damn lawn!" oldsters at some point.

Black & white binary thinking at its finest!

That's right, everyone who grew up in the 60's was a "counterculture hippie," by definition. I guess now we'll also have to assume that everyone who grew up in the late 70's had spiky hair, safety pins through their noses, and listened to the Sex Pistols on their Walkmans while they threw bricks through shop windows.

I was in a grey area once myself... I wanted to paint it a nice bright summery color, but the realtor told me that would reduce the "resale value."

I don't think Tarc said that everyone who grew up in the 60's was a counterculture hippie

No, depends on where you grew up, and what secondary schools you went to (of course in college, almost everywhere, all bets were off except for some Christian private ones). If you spent the 60's growing up in a "vowel state" (Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Iowa, some parts of Ohio) you might as well have been in the 50's in high school. The Ohio Army National Guardsmen who shot the students at Kent State in 1970 surely spent high school in the 60's. Probably most of them were trying to hide out from the same draft the protesters were protesting.

If you never made it to college you might have missed the "60's" entirely, like the national guardsmen. You joined the military and never got the drugs in 'Nam (maybe you were in the Navy or anyplace but the in-country infantry). Then got out and became a cop or something. Like BD in Doonesbury, you never took off your helmet, and that and your perennial crewcut protected you from the evil influences.

In other places, as noted, it depended on where you went to school. In public schools in a vowel state you might have seen longer sideburns but that's about it. In large urban areas you could still escape the "60's" (which really was 1965-1975) by being in a Catholic parochial school, dodging nuns armed with rulers.

[MZMcBride]

:goatse:

^ Please fix.

[Killiondude]

:goatse:

^ Please fix.

That's change I can believe in.

[Tarc]

Even raging, 60's counterculture hippies eventually turned into "get off my damn lawn!" oldsters at some point.

Black & white binary thinking at its finest!

Are you trolling, or just really, really dim? That wasn't the point and wasn't what I said at all. I was amused by someone who thinks his former "street cred" somehow carries into the present. Being a rebel then doesn't mean Cirocco's still a rebel now.


This post has been edited by Tarc: Tue 13th April 2010, 1:51pm

[KD Tries Again]

There's something rebellious about a picture of a guy stretching his ass?

[Tarc]

There's something rebellious about a picture of a guy stretching his ass?

Rumor has it that James Dean was quite an ass-stretcher...

[CharlotteWebb]

There's something rebellious about a picture of a guy stretching his ass?

Rumor has it that James Dean was quite an ass-stretcher...

But did the goatse man have a cause?

[Somey]

That wasn't the point and wasn't what I said at all. I was amused by someone who thinks his former "street cred" somehow carries into the present. Being a rebel then doesn't mean Cirocco's still a rebel now.

What you said, admittedly by (direct) implication, was that pretty much anyone who disagrees with you that the WP Goatse article should be illustrated with the goatse photo must be a "prude." That's wrong, but forgivable, because it's okay for people to be wrong now and again (though it would be nice if they didn't insist on publishing their wrongness for the whole world to see, whenever the mood strikes them).

But then, when Mr. Cirocco claimed that his having been part of the late-70's punk scene gave him credibility as a non-prude, you suggested that "even 60's counterculture hippies" become prudes, as if there's any cultural or quasi-cultural relationship whatsoever between the late-70's punk aesthetic and the late-60's hippie aesthetic. There isn't, and moreover, to dare suggest such a thing was needlessly and horrendously insulting, in addition to being totally, utterly, completely wrong in every conceivable respect. Nobody could possibly be that ignorant, so I'm forced to conclude that you said it simply to be a hateful, mean-spirited jerk.

I'm beginning to realize now that Mr. Victim is right about you!

[Peter Damian]

the "60's" (which really was 1965-1975)

That's very true. Before 1965 everyone looked like John F and Jackie. After 1965, like something out of Woodstock, right up until 1975 when it was still fashionable for a man in his 20's to look like John Bonham. The first half of the 70's was (sadly) what the second half of the 60's really wanted to be.

Although for some people it hasn't ended, of course.

http://www.planetgong.co.uk/

[Lar]

That wasn't the point and wasn't what I said at all. I was amused by someone who thinks his former "street cred" somehow carries into the present. Being a rebel then doesn't mean Cirocco's still a rebel now.

What you said, admittedly by (direct) implication, was that pretty much anyone who disagrees with you that the WP Goatse article should be illustrated with the goatse photo must be a "prude." That's wrong, but forgivable, because it's okay for people to be wrong now and again (though it would be nice if they didn't insist on publishing their wrongness for the whole world to see, whenever the mood strikes them).

But then, when Mr. Cirocco claimed that his having been part of the late-70's punk scene gave him credibility as a non-prude, you suggested that "even 60's counterculture hippies" become prudes, as if there's any cultural or quasi-cultural relationship whatsoever between the late-70's punk aesthetic and the late-60's hippie aesthetic. There isn't, and moreover, to dare suggest such a thing was needlessly and horrendously insulting, in addition to being totally, utterly, completely wrong in every conceivable respect. Nobody could possibly be that ignorant, so I'm forced to conclude that you said it simply to be a hateful, mean-spirited jerk.

I'm beginning to realize now that Mr. Victim is right about you!

Tarc: YHBT. HTH. HAND.

[Tarc]

What you said, admittedly by (direct) implication, was that pretty much anyone who disagrees with you that the WP Goatse article should be illustrated with the goatse photo must be a "prude."

Yes, they are. The flimsy "it's non-free content!" arguments only made it even more painfully apparent.

But then, when Mr. Cirocco claimed that his having been part of the late-70's punk scene gave him credibility as a non-prude, you suggested that "even 60's counterculture hippies" become prudes, as if there's any cultural or quasi-cultural relationship whatsoever between the late-70's punk aesthetic and the late-60's hippie aesthetic.

/facepalm

Somey, how do you even manage to string sentences together? Your 1,000 monkeys and keyboards are really having a lucky run lately.

My point can be illustrated best by the misattributed-to-Churchill "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains" quote. It is laughable to suggest that that the attitudes and outlook of a 20-something member of whatever counter-culture/underground/alternative still hold true some 40 years later.

I'm beginning to realize now that Mr. Victim is right about you!

i.e. "Even Hitler banned guns?" Nice comeback, bro.

[LessHorrid vanU]

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But then, when Mr. Cirocco claimed that his having been part of the late-70's punk scene gave him credibility as a non-prude, you suggested that "even 60's counterculture hippies" become prudes, as if there's any cultural or quasi-cultural relationship whatsoever between the late-70's punk aesthetic and the late-60's hippie aesthetic.

/facepalm

Somey, how do you even manage to string sentences together? Your 1,000 monkeys and keyboards are really having a lucky run lately.

My point can be illustrated best by the misattributed-to-Churchill "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains" quote. It is laughable to suggest that that the attitudes and outlook of a 20-something member of whatever counter-culture/underground/alternative still hold true some 40 years later.

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Really? I can show you examples of pensioners still wearing kaftans and sandals, of punks whose skin is as wrinkled as their leather jackets, and various other counter culture adherents still following their chosen lifestyles (and remarkably getting on rather well together, bonded by their rejection of society) - of course, this is in Cornwall; I don't suppose there is any left in the cities and towns because there is only limited tolerance for the current fashionable alternative lifestyles (the ones that can support the various cafe's and clothing stores, etc.) and to remain within a large community once ones particular lifestyle choice has become obsolete requires conforming either to the mass culture or adopting the current style (which for true adherents is as much as a sell out as conformity). Just because you don't see them where you are, does not mean that there are no examples of former underground culture practitioners around; they simply followed their path which has taken them away from passing notoriety and attention.

I mean, what is the point of underground/alternative/counter-culture if it is expected to remain visible within normal society?

[Milton Roe]

My point can be illustrated best by the misattributed-to-Churchill "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains" quote. It is laughable to suggest that that the attitudes and outlook of a 20-something member of whatever counter-culture/underground/alternative still hold true some 40 years later.

I wonder when Churchill made the statement, since he switched political parties in his life not once, but twice ("Anyone can rat, but it takes considerable ingenuity to re-rat").

Personally I started out quite conservative, and (as I've aged) am becomming more liberal. I'm pretty sure this is not a brilliant result of long years of analysis, but rather has to do with my simple dumb normal growing awareness of my vulnerability and hence need for backup, as well as the actuality of increasing vulnerability as I age. IOW, not just simple realizing that no man is an unsinkable island, but the finding more and more holes in my own hull that prove that I in particular am not.

Or, it could just be that Churchill is right and that both my brain and heart are (and always were) two sizes too small. And that I spent the first half of normal life span as a hypocrite to boot.

If so, Because I'm pretty sure I didn't have an exclusive on sanctimony, nor good reason to be the only person on Earth in which a sense of sanctimony was actually ridiculous in the extreme.