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[LaraLove]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wik...#User:Dragon695

Of course, Orangemarlin and Filll show up to defend. And Kelly arrives to take Dragon695's side. It's just the same faces everywhere. I would chime in, but it's just not worth it. Filll can misuse any link to attempt to paint the picture he wants, but I'm not sure there's much defense for

Ah! I see Odd Nature has shown up to solicit a round from the ID boo-hoo brigade, well I stand by my statement. You and the rest of those WP:TE members of the ID Cabal will either change your attitude or face the music, so don't think the whole OrangeClownFish affair gets you off the hook. My comments pale in comparison to how rude, loutish, and completely out of control some of the things you guys do to newbies and unrelated editors who show up at pages your "Wikiproject" WP:OWNs. The so-called scientists who claim to defend science are actually hurting those of us who really care about science. Real scientists are gentlemen and scholars, not oafs and louts. If anyone wants diffs, the Intelligent Design RFC is chock full of them. --Dragon695 (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Although, Filll and Orangemarlin are really the last people who should be chiming in dismayed at incivility. And I don't think they caught the Finding Nemo reference.

[LaraLove]

Here's a good one. The hypocrisy is ripe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=215759974

White pride is considered an anti-Semitic and racist term by the Anti-defamation league. I stand by my consistent statements over the past couple of years that naively supporting racist code-words is still racist. And as far as admins go, I had enough of admins supporting racist POV-pushers on this project. And maggot, please redact your personal attack for stating my well-founded opinion is fallacious.

Edit summary: White pride=White supremacism=KKK=Neo-nazism. Give me a break.

And note that he refers to SynergeticMaggot as simply "maggot" when asking him to retract his "personal attack" in calling his fallacious argument... uh, fallacious. And then he basically surmises that those who were raised to believe white pride is not inherently racist are white supremacist, KKK-affiliated neo-nazis.

Ya know, I think this pretty much sums up his issues:

I changed my mind. I have to stand up to what is right. You'll laugh at me, call me names, or threaten me with a block. But how do you think the Nazi's ended up killing Jews? Or the KKK lynch blacks? Do you think it came to them in a vision, one day they weren't doing it, the next they were? No, it came from words and ideas. Those words and ideas inspired others, and the next thing you know it's Kristallnacht. And I have no clue today where those ideas start, and I have no clue where they may end up. But words have power. DHMO has stated that he does not believe White Power is racist or anti-semitic. That is his opinion. Mine is that White Pride is no different than any other racist group in the US. In fact, others back me up, specifically the Jewish Anti-defamation League. Yes, they're Jewish. Yes, they're sensitive to all attacks. But they know where words lead, and we've been down that path so many times, and it never ends up good for we Jews.

I have chosen in my life to resist all anti-semitism and racism wherever I see it, because I know my forefathers ignored it, and I don't have many forefathers left because they didn't stand up to it. You might be right that Wikipedia goes blind, but I'm going blind by reading how White Power is completely acceptable, and that admins here can have that racist/anti-semitic background. So, I've had to read where I'm a member of some ridiculous cabal, that my feelings on anti-Semitism should be dismissed (you ask how this is related, it is because I was offended by someone using the term Jew Comedian, and the undertow said that that is not offensive, when it is, and DHMO supports that opinion).

Why should I ignore it? Why should I be the one who reads this offensive language and sit back and smile? Where does this lead? Words matter, because they hurt. I'm saying "the emperor has no clothes" (i.e., that DHMO is making statements that are offensive, and you chastise me. How fair is that? What would you like me to do? Pretend that the gas chamber isn't a shower? Because that's the logical conclusion from accepting hurtful ideas and words. So maybe instead of taking what appears to be a gleeful opportunity to slap me about side my head for expressing an opinion, you could think about those words and ideas expressed by individuals here can be so uncivil as to be hateful and emotionally painful. I cry every time I read of racism or anti-Semitism in words, because I know what they mean. They mean I'm less of of a person, for no other reason but that I was born as a Jew.

Note that at no point during any of this did anyone make an antisemitic comment. No one. No one even spoke to him. He twice referred to giggy as white power. How utterly ridiculous. And he wants retractions for shit like what's quoted a few posts up and someone calling his ridiculous argument fallacious. Give me a break. He has no evidence at all to back up any of his claims in this. It's all about his feelings and assumptions. It's pathetic. I get people are sensitive about this subject, and rightly so. But this is over the top and gives him no right to mislabel people racists and then refuse to apologize once he realizes and admits that they are not racists.

And the Jew comedian incident was over this comment:

The section was only added recently. I agree it needs expanded. There should definately be a mention of [[Ari Shaffir]], a brilliant (in my opinion) Jew comedian. He did a piece in his series 'The Amazing Racist' in a Ku Klux Klan robe, it was hilarious and has had many hits on youtube.