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> Jimbo desysops Bedford, Sexist bastard
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Bob Boy
post Sat 26th July 2008, 3:51pm
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ANI thread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...rd_and_misogyny

Jimbo's message:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=228023141
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Based primarily on your myspace blog posting, but additionally based on your onsite behavior (and either would have been sufficient cause) I have removed your sysop bit. Such attitudes and behavior are absolutely unacceptable for a Wikipedia administrator. You can reapply either through me or the ArbCom. If coming through me, I can tell you that I will require a complete and total retraction of the comments you made, as well as a disavowal of the attitudes behind those, and even then I will not re-instate you directly but rather merely allow you to stand for re-election. The ArbCom may view things differently, and be more lenient. If so, I will not stand in their way.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


The Blog post:
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I've long realized I am a magnet for attracting cretins, who think they will, in wrestling parlance, "get over on me". Sadly, Wikipedia ia huge website and, as a result, there are a lot of cretins. Just this morning I had to deal with a bunch of PMS from a few feminazis that did not like a hook used on the DYK section of Wikipedia's front page, dealing with a bra & panties match. Not politically correct, so the harpies attack, and then accuse me of bullying when it is they themselves ganging up to bully on me. Is it just a mix of PC and PMS? Is it because they are unattractive and don't like being even slightly reminded of it? Who knows? The fact they are still moaning over it says I struck too close to home in analyzing the reason fo their being in a frenzy. They are overcome with the belief that their excrement doesn't stink, when it absolutely reeks.

All I wanted was to find a hook that would attract viewers; the purpose of putting anything on the Front Page of Wikipedia. I can tak pride that I, for one, am a constructive presence on Wikipedia, and not a self-righteous censor. How can I help but feel like a living God when compared to such people?

Heck, I'd be the first to admit my excrement can stink.


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post Sat 26th July 2008, 3:58pm
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ZOMG drama.
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 3:59pm
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Who's sexist, Jimbo or Bedford?

In any rate, I'm glad. He did make the nicest female editors I know really angry, which is a feat in itself. His comments were really over the line and would make decent men like me look bad.
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:00pm
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QUOTE(Alex @ Sat 26th July 2008, 3:58pm) *

ZOMG drama.


What I find interesting in this case is that the clear cause for desysoping was primarily due to off-site behavior, which is certainly an improvement over the usual if it's not on WP we can't do anything about it attitude that Arb-com has taken in the past.

One can only hope that this will become policy to avoid the off-site stalking that WP participants have engaged in during the recent past...
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:07pm
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According to his log, this is the only time Jimbo has personally desysopped someone, with the exception of Zscout370 (who he subsequently re-sysopped). Congrats, Bedford!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&year=&month=-1

I have seen other people (even admins) get clean away with worse things than Bedford did, but he let his crap spill over onto the Main Page. I'm guessing one of the female elites brought this to the attention of Jimbo (Alison, maybe, or Durova).

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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:07pm
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Three guesses who's behind this. Hint: Her initials are reputed to be LM.
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:10pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sat 26th July 2008, 5:07pm) *

Three guesses who's behind this. Hint: Her initials are reputed to be LM.


It wasn't Slim that requested Jimbo's help. I can state that as fact.
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:14pm
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QUOTE(Sceptre @ Sat 26th July 2008, 4:10pm) *

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sat 26th July 2008, 5:07pm) *

Three guesses who's behind this. Hint: Her initials are reputed to be LM.


It wasn't Slim that requested Jimbo's help. I can state that as fact.


Further comment from Jimbo: the community should take a hard line against off-site attacks.

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I am quite frankly astonished with the kindness and polite reserve that I have seen from those who have tried to help him avoid this outcome. If you can point to anyone else who stooped to vile stereotyping, offensive remarks, and/or offsite attacks, I will gladly deal with that. I may have overlooked something, to be sure. I saw no overreactions, and indeed would like very much for good people in the community to feel empowered to be much more firm about this kind of incivility. It is just not at all acceptable and a casual acceptance of it weakens our moral standing.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales|talk]]) 15:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


Yes, Mr. Wales, no it is not and yes they should. Why did it take you so long to figure this out? Shall we start making a list for him? Why don't you start with this one, Jimbo?

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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:18pm
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sat 26th July 2008, 11:14am) *

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I am quite frankly astonished with the kindness and polite reserve that I have seen from those who have tried to help him avoid this outcome. If you can point to anyone else who stooped to vile stereotyping, offensive remarks, and/or offsite attacks, I will gladly deal with that. I may have overlooked something, to be sure. I saw no overreactions, and indeed would like very much for good people in the community to feel empowered to be much more firm about this kind of incivility. It is just not at all acceptable and a casual acceptance of it weakens our moral standing.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales|talk]]) 15:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


Yes, Mr. Wales, they should. Why did it take you so long to figure this out? Shall we start making a list for him? Why don't you start with this one, Jimbo?


Start with Rachel Marsden!
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:20pm
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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 4:18pm) *

Start with Rachel Marsden!


Something tells me that Ms Marsden can take care of that herself...
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:25pm
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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 11:07am) *

I'm guessing one of the female elites brought this to the attention of Jimbo (Alison, maybe, or Durova).

Not Durova, apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=228028413
I guess Alison or Seraphim Whipp.
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:28pm
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QUOTE(Sceptre @ Sat 26th July 2008, 9:10am) *

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sat 26th July 2008, 5:07pm) *

Three guesses who's behind this. Hint: Her initials are reputed to be LM.


It wasn't Slim that requested Jimbo's help. I can state that as fact.

Well, a chain-jerker jerked the wrong bunch of people's chains. Hermes Conrad again: "Is there any kind of meat this man can't jerk?" Perhaps some helpful person will post the ED's link on his TALK page, as that's what he appears to be looking for.

A "sexist bastard" is somebody who tweeks women for the same attitudes that women criticize each other for--- but blame on the influence of men (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) . "Why, we wouldn't even bother to match our bras and panties, or even wear the damn things at all, if it weren't for some of the pigs we deal with..."

So one can get desysoped for political incorrectness, if you embarrass WP by putting it on the front page? I can imagine the same thing would have happened with a zoophilia article. You can have it in the mainspace so long as you don't draw attention to it.

Er, but even so, I note that Jimbo is not following his own rules to have done this without ANY prior warning. This wasn't even vandalism, but a good faith contribution from somebody who loved to chainjerk, assumed that DYK was about chain-jerking, and went too far. AGF, Jimbo. Mo-Fo.

One supposes from this that Jimbo's personal feces are NOT odiferous. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:29pm
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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 5:07pm) *

According to his log, this is the only time Jimbo has personally desysopped someone, with the exception of Zscout370 (who he subsequently re-sysopped). Congrats, Bedford!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&year=&month=-1

I have seen other people (even admins) get clean away with worse things than Bedford did, but he let his crap spill over onto the Main Page. I'm guessing one of the female elites brought this to the attention of Jimbo (Alison, maybe, or Durova).

I thought Bedford's soliloquy was a bit "tongue in cheek", and a bad attempt at humour in a politically correct age, and as far as I'm aware most shit does reek. So he's sorta correct there.

Strange thing is that Wikipedia does not want to make a hook to some of its content. Bottom line is that if its worth having, then its worth hooking. Obviously there is a lot of crap in Wikipedia that they don't want to hook to. And a lot of people have been saying something similar.

Jimbo is proving that he really does control Wikipedia, and cannot claim that he has no responsibility for content whatsoever.

This affair is just a diversion, maybe it's time for Jimbo to desysop some more admins over BLP articles and rude arrogant behaviour.

Jimbo is a hypocrite. Case proven. QED (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)
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post Sat 26th July 2008, 4:29pm
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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 5:25pm) *

QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 11:07am) *

I'm guessing one of the female elites brought this to the attention of Jimbo (Alison, maybe, or Durova).

Not Durova, apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=228028413
I guess Alison or Seraphim Whipp.


Swing and a miss on both.
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QUOTE(Sceptre @ Sat 26th July 2008, 9:29am) *

QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 5:25pm) *

QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 11:07am) *

I'm guessing one of the female elites brought this to the attention of Jimbo (Alison, maybe, or Durova).

Not Durova, apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=228028413
I guess Alison or Seraphim Whipp.


Swing and a miss on both.

Tony? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) Or David Gerard, who can never seem to match anything?
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QUOTE(Gold heart @ Sat 26th July 2008, 11:29am) *

Jimbo is proving that he really does control Wikipedia, and cannot claim that he has no responsibility for content whatsoever.

This affair is just a diversion, maybe it's time for Jimbo to desysop some more admins over BLP articles and rude arrogant behaviour.

Jimbo is a hypocrite. Case proven. QED (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)


Yes, it's kind of out-of-character for Jimbo to toss his peace-and-love flowers and hippie bongo drums aside, and put on the jackboots publicly. The iron hand in the velvet glove, I guess.

Perhaps the next time a female admin makes a comment along the lines that a man thinks with his balls instead of his brains, or some other stereotype like the PMS one that Bedford used, they'll be instantly banned? Yeah, right.

Odd that he's never found a problem with JzG's use of offensive language on-site, as compared to off-site. Bedford should have said that he's British (it is a British company, after all), and that the terms he used were acceptable within his cultural context.

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It is just not at all acceptable and a casual acceptance of it weakens our moral standing.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales|talk]]) 15:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Who the hell is Jimbo to talk about "moral standing" when his own conduct has gone to misuse of Foundation Funds and misuse of his own administrative powers for sexual favors? This guy was merely doing a bad imitation of Rush Limbaugh's radio show. "Incivil speech"? That's the best you can do? Again the idea of one standard for Jimbo and the Cabal, another for everybody else. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif)

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QUOTE(Sceptre @ Sat 26th July 2008, 11:29am) *

Swing and a miss on both.


Your "Ha Ha I'm an insider and know so much that you don't" crap is annoying. Put up or shut up.

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QUOTE(Bob Boy @ Sat 26th July 2008, 9:34am) *

Perhaps the next time a female admin makes a comment along the lines that a man thinks with his balls instead of his brains, or some other stereotype like the PMS one that Bedford used, they'll be instantly banned? Yeah, right.

Not. Unfortunately, most stereotypes have truth in them, or they wouldn't survive. Many men do think with their balls. Many women do get PMS. Men and women (on average) think quite differently about things. Attitudes of heterosexuals differ from homosexuals, and attitudes of gay men (on average) differ wildly and hilariously from those of (say) lesbians. There are endless (and funny) standup comedy routines about the difference between being on male gay-cruise liner tours, and the ones for lesbians.

Adults note these differences, laugh at them, and get on with things. The malicious use them as weapons in political wars. And there you have Wikipedia.

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The only DYK nom I'm finding that could possibly be related is this:

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... that after Melina successfully stripped Torrie Wilson (pictured) in a bra & panties match at The Great American Bash (2005), referee Candice Michelle stripped Melina and herself as well?



... please tell me there isn't all this drama over ... this.
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