Who is Janeyryan? Options

[One]

Tony loved Mantan, and he's among the most fixated on WR. His edits are very often WR-related.

Also recall that he goes from one contraversy to another. I wouldn't be surprised if he branches out later as his attention moves. If it's not Tony, it's someone apeing him.

[Milton Roe]

Tony loved Mantan, and he's among the most fixated on WR. His edits are very often WR-related.

Also recall that he goes from one contraversy to another. I wouldn't be surprised if he branches out later as his attention moves. If it's not Tony, it's someone apeing him.

If you want evidence of long Overstock interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anticipa...s/Overstock.com

And yes, this is generally following the likes of Slim around, the way some birds follow trains or water buffalo to see what they scare up as they clomp or tromp or clatter along. The Kabal Kadre. I figured Tony should be renamed "Anticipation of a new Jay in my username" a long time ago.

[maiawatatos]

Tony loved Mantan, and he's among the most fixated on WR. His edits are very often WR-related.

Also recall that he goes from one contraversy to another. I wouldn't be surprised if he branches out later as his attention moves. If it's not Tony, it's someone apeing him.

If you want evidence of long Overstock interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anticipa...s/Overstock.com

And yes, this is generally following the likes of Slim around, the way some birds follow trains or water buffalo to see what they scare up as they clomp or tromp or clatter along. The Kabal Kadre. I figured Tony should be renamed "Anticipation of a new Jay in my username" a long time ago.

Interesting. Of course, that (if true) means the clarification of the reply to Risker is an outright lie. Problem is, looking at the comments from the original CU request, it won't be possible to ever prove this editor has had other identities.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Is it possible, then, that [[User:John Nevard]] is also Tony Sidaway?

[Alison]

Is it possible, then, that [[User:John Nevard]] is also Tony Sidaway?

FWIW, here's a link to the checkuser case on WP. The result was .... well, weird, really.

[One]

Oh. A USA ISP. Oops. Back to the drawing board.

Editing times span 1251 to 0409, or 8:51 AM to 12:09 AM EDT, which makes a hell of a lot more sense than Britain to me.

EDIT: Actually, looking at it again, the 0400 edits are on a Saturday/Sunday, so it's not impossible that a Brit could make them, especially a student. Tony made edits that late at times.

John Nevard was also prone to occasional all-nighters from 1200-2000 (assuming NZ time for Nevard). I think it would be a bit harder for someone from that part of the world because most of Janeyryan's edits are between about 1-8 AM NZ/AUS.

I don't think it's either Tony or Nevard unless they're calling up ISPs in the states using their subscriptions paid in US dollars and sleeping like an American for the purposes of socking. Dollars and long distance are cheap, but I doubt either cares enough to do that. I especially doubt Nevard would become a vampire for the opportunity. On NSS he's still pushing POV totally unopposed, and he's not even involved with WR or Larouche right now.

So my thoughts turn back to Mantanmoreland, a writer with at least some ability to imitate styles and interests, and who has apparently obscured his location with remote ISPs in the past. So far he hasn't touched the actual articles that MM lived for, but this is certainly an account to watch.

This post has been edited by One: Tue 12th August 2008, 3:42am

[maiawatatos]

Is it possible, then, that [[User:John Nevard]] is also Tony Sidaway?

FWIW, here's a link to the checkuser case on WP. The result was .... well, weird, really.

'Weird' is an interesting turn of phrase, but obviously we're not going to find out any more on that one right now... :|

Edit: Oh damn, should have checked the times.

This post has been edited by maiawatatos: Tue 12th August 2008, 1:13am

[Herschelkrustofsky]

With this edit, Janey establishes herself as a genuine fan of Chip Berlet, not just POV-pusher who finds Cberlet a useful foil. Remember that the Janeyryan account had its coming out party on the same day that Cberlet announced his resignation. This follows the hallowed example of User:Sunsplash, who appeared the moment that SlimVirgin said she was leaving. I also note that Janey posts in haste, leaving many typos in her wake -- a Berlet trademark. Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

[Alison]

With this edit,
Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

They have and it doesn't. Can't say more than that

[Gold heart]

With this edit,
Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

They have and it doesn't. Can't say more than that

It's quite easy to edit using a dial up and have the ISP located in a different city, or even a different country. It's easy to fool checkuser if one is determined enough. Some of the bestest of the best editing is done by socks. Yups, Wikipedia has a lot to be thankful to those socks for!

[GlassBeadGame]

With this edit,
Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

They have and it doesn't. Can't say more than that

Can't argue with proof like that.

[One]

That might be what's strange about the results.

See, the checkusers say that it's very weird, but what could be so unusual about a bunch of edits from the same ISP range? Some theories:

1. Perhaps the user does not always geolocate to the same location. That might suggest that the user is accidentally calling up different cities, but it might also be travel, or an ISP shuffling its ranges. That would probably not be actionable, but would look very odd.
2. Thatcher refers to a blocked user with the range most similar to this account. I can't imagine how that would be very strange; we expect blocked users to evade. Unless the POV of the blocked user is surprising compared to the edits. For example, a tentative match to Wordbomb would be weird indeed.

Any other ideas in re: weirdness?

This post has been edited by One: Wed 13th August 2008, 12:47am

[Piperdown]

lots of folks travel around in the summer, and especially august. some even edit on wikipedia from places other than their homes. gasp. good luck, checkusers. until you WP'ians adopt an Amazonish "Real Name" verification situation, and prohibit editing from alias, you're not going to keep away determined (i.e. crazed or just overly motivated, neither of which is good for npov editing lol) people from socking all over you.

[Alison]

With this edit,
Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

They have and it doesn't. Can't say more than that

It's quite easy to edit using a dial up and have the ISP located in a different city, or even a different country. It's easy to fool checkuser if one is determined enough. Some of the bestest of the best editing is done by socks. Yups, Wikipedia has a lot to be thankful to those socks for!

And that's exactly what Mantanmoreland did with his last sock, Bassettcat. Only his edits weren't necessarily the "bestest of the best", were they?

[Piperdown]

With this edit,
Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

They have and it doesn't. Can't say more than that

It's quite easy to edit using a dial up and have the ISP located in a different city, or even a different country. It's easy to fool checkuser if one is determined enough. Some of the bestest of the best editing is done by socks. Yups, Wikipedia has a lot to be thankful to those socks for!

wait until october and see if janey edits from varkala, lol.

[Milton Roe]

That might be what's strange about the results.

See, the checkusers say that it's very weird, but what could be so unusual about a bunch of edits from the same ISP range? Some theories:

1. Perhaps the user does not always geolocate to the same location. That might suggest that the user is accidentally calling up different cities, but it might also be travel, or an ISP shuffling its ranges. That would probably not be actionable, but would look very odd.
2. Thatcher refers to a blocked user with the range most similar to this account. I can't imagine how that would be very strange; we expect blocked users to evade. Unless the POV of the blocked user is surprising compared to the edits. For example, a tentative match to Wordbomb would be weird indeed.

Any other ideas in re: weirdness?

Didn't you see how Mantanmoreland was finally caught socking? MM's normal DSL IP range was known. Bassettcat made 3 edits within six minutes, with the end ones being in BC's normal dialup range 500-1000 miles away from MM, and the middle one (wups) from MM's DSL IP range. So either Bassetcat teleported >500 miles in 3 minutes to log onto MM's normal IP, then back, or else BC is a sock of MM using a dialup proxy >500 miles away from his usual DSL where he normally edits as MM. And that got him.

WP:NMFTSB (No Moving Faster Than a Speeding Bullet) when editing WP. In this case, it was at least 10,000 mph and anywhere up to 20,000. Bassettcat could have been using a really good cell phone from low Earth orbit, but unfortunately had to reverse this speed in the 3 minutes to go back. I calculate the acceleration to go 500 miles from a standing start in 3 min to be about 5 g's, and you have to take that for the whole 6 minutes to get back. Bassettcat, even with the right rocket (non-existant) would obviously be a flatcat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=215595422

This post has been edited by Milton Roe: Wed 13th August 2008, 1:16am

[One]

Didn't you see how Mantanmoreland was finally caught socking? MM's normal DSL IP range was known. Bassettcat made 3 edits within six minutes, with the end ones being in BC's normal dialup range 500-1000 miles away from MM, and the middle one (wups) from MM's DSL IP range. So either Bassetcat teleported >500 miles in 3 minutes to log onto MM's normal IP, then back, or else BC is a sock of MM using a dialup proxy >500 miles away from his usual DSL where he normally edits as MM. And that got him.

WP:NMFTSB (No Moving Faster Than a Speeding Bullet) when editing WP. In this case, it was at least 10,000 mph and anywhere up to 20,000. Bassettcat could have been using a really good cell phone from low Earth orbit, but unfortunately had to reverse this speed in the 3 minutes to go back. I calculate the acceleration to go 500 miles from a standing start in 3 min to be about 5 g's, and you have to take that for the whole 6 minutes to get back. Bassettcat, even with the right rocket (non-existant) would obviously be a flatcat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=215595422

Heh. I've not seen such entertaining writing about Weiss since G-Dett's evidence section.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Janey's contributions to the project lately have been almost exclusively focussed on a very obscure point, that of her opposition to using a quote from the blog of one Kathryn Cramer in the article on the Wikipedia Review. Janey is all over Wikipedia talk:Verifiability and the Reliable Sources noticeboard on this topic. Again, not typical newbie behavior. But more interestingly, why is Janey so fixated on the Review, and what is her relationship (if any) to Kathryn Cramer?

[Milton Roe]

Janey's contributions to the project lately have been almost exclusively focussed on a very obscure point, that of her opposition to using a quote from the blog of one Kathryn Cramer in the article on the Wikipedia Review. Janey is all over Wikipedia talk:Verifiability and the Reliable Sources noticeboard on this topic. Again, not typical newbie behavior. But more interestingly, why is Janey so fixated on the Review, and what is her relationship (if any) to Kathryn Cramer?

I don't know, but on looking now at the sum total edits of "Janeyryan" who comes the day after Berlet leaves, and certainly has a "chip" on her shoulder about Berlet-- this editor indeed appears to be Berlet and not Sidaway. Using the Wikistalk tool, the number of common articles between Tony Sidaway and Janeyryan is 2, both in TALK. For Janeyryan and Cberlet, it's now up to 12. Most of them on topics somewhat obscure, and none of them vandalism reversions.

And by the way, I'd love to get hold of BJWeeks or whoever developed the Wikistalk tool so that I could request an additional "all articles" category. Since this tool started to get used for Kabal-counts somebody helpfully broke out the "mainspace articles" as a search category (and if you put in Jpgordon, SlimVirgin, and Jayjg, it prints out "Kabal count 9000!" ), but in the process they took out the old "all articles" feature which made it useful for the Jimbo-1-degree count, and for purposes like here, where I have to go through the first 5 categories and add them up, cut and paste .

This post has been edited by Milton Roe: Wed 27th August 2008, 6:25pm

[Huxley]

With this edit,
Have the checkusers looked to see if the IP number geolocates to anywhere in Massachusetts?

They have and it doesn't. Can't say more than that

I know that if I ever socked I would make sure that it wouldn't geolocate to Massachusetts. Because the Spirit of Massachusetts is the Spirit of Americia.

I also would make any checkuser analysis on me nice and straightforward. No sense in making things weird to prove a point.