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Sun 31st August 2008, 9:51am
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Just a quick note. I first asked for a WR account to be set up in April, but it wasn't, and again a week or so ago (admin mail wasn't being checked). Since a sitting arbitrator setting up a WR account will be a topic of speculation, it's probably worth saying why, and why not, up front. Main reasons why, are that a lot of the worst disputes and controversies I see, seem to have their roots off site as much as on-site. In other words the action may start on-wiki, but the speculation, concerns, and accurate or inaccurate views and myth-making may take place off-wiki. My job (and probably a number of disputes I get asked to help with) gets easier on-site, if I'm aware of the myths earlier and if people who have concerns can ask those who might know. Obviously people can and should ask on-wiki or by email if there is a worry, but the fact is that many people won't, or don't see fact checking as important.
Also because I'm still finding myself regularly involved on wikipedia, in matters where WR users take an interest, and whatever some at wikipedia may think, a number of editors I'm told post at WR are sane, sensible users. (Obviously some are not balanced reasonable editors, but the point is, there are probably all sorts, and assumption isn't helpful.) So I would like to avoid the hearsay that "all WR users are whatever", in favor of a view that like wikipedia editors, they're individuals, and to meet those individuals. Lastly, because realistically, I do the public face of many of the more high profile Arbcom cases, and I'm one of the Arbitrators more willing to be fairly open to questions on such cases where possible.
What I'm not here for: to spend days justifying things to people who can't think calmly, clearly and productively without games; to argue people out of entire world views such as conspiracy-based thinking; to identify myself personally or discuss irrelevant matters; to get distracted from my core work on English wikipedia Arbcom; to give information and views I woulnd't give on Wikipedia itself, to fight battles and causes. If someone wants serious sensible dialog, then sure. But Arbitrators don't get elected by the community for cluelessness; there will be some here who just want to distract, have fun, play games, or the like - not interested. The users here who want genuine dialog, and act that way... those will find I'm open as much as my Wikipedia work and the best interests of the project allow me to be, and as they approach me, that's how they will find me.
That said most of my wiki-work is at Wikipedia itself. I don't do politics so even other wiki sites such as meta aren't places I go unless relevant to enwiki work, much less off-site like this. I just think there's a chance that this might be something I should do, or at least check out, rather than rely on hearsay. I don't have much to say, and if theres a deluge of comments I might be some time getting to them (wiki editing and Arbcom's a full time job and I still have to balance it with the usual family, friends and work). I plan to read around the board and see what's what, before I comment on any specific matter. Last I'm aware that WP and WR may have quite different site ethics and customary approaches. If someone can advise me what are the social norms and standards expected on this site, I'll aim to write in a way that meets them. FT2 This post has been edited by FT2: Sun 31st August 2008, 10:20am
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The more influential WP admins almost always want to use Gmail accounts to register here, so we do end up taking extra steps to verify that they're really who they say they are, but there was really no question in this case. More importantly, if Mr. FT2 doesn't want to answer questions regarding the content he's added to Zoophilia and related articles, that's his prerogative, and it would probably be best if he weren't badgered about it. It would also be better if any questions were limited to the actual content in question, rather than speculation - no matter how justifiable it might seem - about his personal proclivities. However, that issue isn't going to go away, at least not without those kinds of answers. And if that means he never posts here ever again, then maybe we'll just have to live with that. Last but not least, any claims regarding what WP accounts Mr. Docknell uses or has used in the past should, ideally, be accompanied by some sort of rationale for it, i.e., more than "oh, it's you again." I can certainly see why Mr. FT2 believes what he believes, but at the same time, the vast majority of people on Earth believe what Mr. Docknell believes (i.e., bestiality is wrong, Scientology is bad, NLP is a crock), even if they don't express it quite as forcefully as he does. Attempting to finger him as a particular WP account isn't going to change that, nor should it. So, did that sound sufficiently admin-ish...? 
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FT2 Hi (from FT2) Sun 31st August 2008, 9:51am everyking Welcome to the forum. I'm happy to see you her... Sun 31st August 2008, 9:57am Eva Destruction
If someone can advise me what are the social norm... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:01am Jon Awbrey
[quote name='FT2' post='125102' date='Sun 31st Au... Sun 31st August 2008, 4:25pm Crestatus I'm fairly new here myself; trust me, the wate... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:04am KStreetSlave
Just a quick note. I first asked for a WR account... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:08am FT2 Half of the people who claim to hate you (or any o... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:51am FT2 (Quick update - I do habitually re-edit my own pos... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:39am privatemusings well G'day :-)
(I'm not around too much..... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:52am  Carruthers
well G'day :-)
(I'm not around too much.... Sun 31st August 2008, 11:24am   FT2 One thing that you probably should be aware of is ... Sun 31st August 2008, 12:29pm    Peter Damian
Within his own sphere, he seems to be a reasonab... Sun 31st August 2008, 12:37pm    KamrynMatika
Quick answers - thanks for the heads up. I'l... Sun 31st August 2008, 12:42pm     FT2
I'll allow the bolded parts to speak for them... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:34pm      Peter Damian
(and Peter - saw your comment, will reply when I ... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:45pm    Docknell
One thing that you probably should be aware of is... Sun 31st August 2008, 12:48pm  FT2 what the hell went on there?
Where/what about? Sun 31st August 2008, 11:25am   wikiwhistle
what the hell went on there?
Where/what about?
... Sun 31st August 2008, 11:24pm Viridae Hi FT2 - welcome. Sun 31st August 2008, 11:30am Docknell
Just a quick note. I first asked for a WR account... Sun 31st August 2008, 12:05pm FT2 So what do you really think about bestiality as a ... Sun 31st August 2008, 12:51pm  Peter Damian
Hi Headley.
You're getting predictable. It ... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:09pm   FT2
With all respect, could you engage issues here, p... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:51pm    Peter Damian
I've given you a wide range of cites, and exp... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:59pm  Docknell
So what do you really think about bestiality as a... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:10pm   Peter Damian
Just a head's up. I'm not headley.
Th... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:17pm    Docknell
Just a head's up. I'm not headley.
T... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:28pm  Kelly Martin For the record, you don't deny you're Head... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:50pm  thekohser
The last time was your account Phdarts, and admin... Sun 31st August 2008, 3:05pm   Peter Damian
Yep, that's the one.
Excellent reference, FT... Sun 31st August 2008, 3:20pm    maiawatatos
[quote name='thekohser' post='125154' date='Sun 3... Sun 31st August 2008, 3:30pm    Docknell
Yep, [url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_e... Sun 31st August 2008, 3:39pm     wikiwhistle
NLP and bestiality. Who other than a virulent ho... Sun 31st August 2008, 11:05pm  tarantino
Hi Headley.
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For the record, you [url=htt... Sun 31st August 2008, 10:13pm   Proabivouac
Hi TBP
For the record, you don't deny you... Mon 1st September 2008, 12:50am    FT2
(Snip)
Answered in its own thread. Mon 1st September 2008, 4:53am     FT2 Quick comments -
You're going to have to sto... Mon 1st September 2008, 7:40am      Docknell FT2, you said:
"There is an "ick... Mon 1st September 2008, 8:17am      Proabivouac
Quick comments -
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FT2, will you answer this... Mon 1st September 2008, 8:57am       Peter Damian
[quote name='FT2' post='125305' date='Mon 1st Sep... Mon 1st September 2008, 9:37am      Taxwoman
[quote name='The Adversary' post='125301' date='M... Mon 1st September 2008, 8:27pm       Random832
[quote name='FT2' post='125305' date='Mon 1st Sep... Mon 1st September 2008, 8:31pm        Taxwoman
Or perhaps he is simply expressing uncertainty th... Mon 1st September 2008, 9:17pm        wikiwhistle
Amazing! First FT2 says I'm a sockpuppe... Mon 1st September 2008, 9:52pm         Taxwoman
The editors here seem to be arguing against you i... Mon 1st September 2008, 9:59pm  wikiwhistle
For the record, you don't deny you're He... Sun 31st August 2008, 11:14pm Rootology Hey FT2, welcome.
Nice to see the bitter pill cro... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:28pm Rootology Guys, how about giving him at least, oh, a couple ... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:29pm Peter Damian
Guys, how about giving him at least, oh, a couple... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:32pm Docknell
Guys, how about giving him at least, oh, a couple... Sun 31st August 2008, 1:33pm Peter Damian Perhaps someone here should try looking through al... Sun 31st August 2008, 3:42pm Shalom Welcome, FT2. Don't spend too much time here.... Sun 31st August 2008, 4:09pm Dzonatas Welcome to WR, FT2 Sun 31st August 2008, 4:12pm Eva Destruction As Peter says, we have no confirmation that this i... Sun 31st August 2008, 4:42pm KamrynMatika
As Peter says, we have no confirmation that this ... Sun 31st August 2008, 4:50pm Peter Damian
As Peter says, we have no confirmation that this ... Sun 31st August 2008, 4:52pm thekohser Personally, I think it was my Alex B rejoinder tha... Sun 31st August 2008, 5:05pm Peter Damian
Personally, I think it was my Alex B rejoinder th... Sun 31st August 2008, 5:16pm maiawatatos I think his apparent failure to understand the Wik... Sun 31st August 2008, 5:16pm Peter Damian Having looked more carefully at the FT2 text with ... Sun 31st August 2008, 6:21pm gomi Welcome FT2.
[Moderator's note: Unless there ... Sun 31st August 2008, 7:34pm Giggy Somey, you specifically confirm (to the best of yo... Sun 31st August 2008, 11:14pm gomi [Moderator's note: thread moved to appropriate... Mon 1st September 2008, 1:53am FT2 (Someone moved it. Took ages to figure where to fi... Mon 1st September 2008, 2:32am wikiwhistle
Headley - As since 2005, the denials wear thin; ... Mon 1st September 2008, 2:54am Random832
First and easiest - now confirmed on my wiki talk... Mon 1st September 2008, 3:03am Proabivouac
[b]Tarantino - you have a good reputation as a di... Mon 1st September 2008, 3:19am Peter Damian
[b]Damian - you had been given links to a wide r... Mon 1st September 2008, 5:58am tarantino
[b]Tarantino - you have a good reputation as a di... Mon 1st September 2008, 1:59pm thekohser
[b]Kohs - you and I may only have a limited amoun... Mon 1st September 2008, 2:10pm  Jon Awbrey
You really just don't get it, do you, FT2? D... Mon 1st September 2008, 2:40pm   Carruthers
You really just don't get it, do you, FT2? ... Mon 1st September 2008, 3:15pm Emperor What a nest of guttersnipes! :) Mon 1st September 2008, 3:41am Somey What a nest of guttersnipes! :)
I'll say... Mon 1st September 2008, 4:13am  Jon Awbrey
What a nest of guttersnipes! :)
I'll s... Mon 1st September 2008, 4:18am  Docknell
[quote name='Emperor' post='125254' date='Sun 31s... Mon 1st September 2008, 4:30am Jon Awbrey Chapter 2. Wherein Jon begins to suspect that all... Mon 1st September 2008, 4:35am Taxwoman Why, belated greetings from me too, Mr FT2. :)
It... Mon 1st September 2008, 5:57am The Adversary First: welcome. If you have seen the old Star War ... Mon 1st September 2008, 6:50am dtobias
First: welcome. If you have seen the old Star War... Mon 1st September 2008, 1:26pm  Milton Roe
[quote name='The Adversary' post='125301' date='M... Mon 1st September 2008, 7:38pm   The Adversary
[quote name='dtobias' post='125352' date='Mon 1st... Tue 2nd September 2008, 6:27pm Peter Damian
There is an "ick" factor in some topics... Mon 1st September 2008, 8:13am Kelly Martin Greg, you can't expect someone addicted to the... Mon 1st September 2008, 2:22pm Peter Damian It's not just the poo, it's the confusion.... Mon 1st September 2008, 2:37pm bambi Does this look about right? That first line probab... Mon 1st September 2008, 6:07pm Docknell Request for FT2
Does [url=http://www.wikipedia-w... Tue 2nd September 2008, 6:29am  Peter Damian
I'm about as much a sockpuppet as Flavius, Da... Tue 2nd September 2008, 6:39am   Proabivouac I highlight once again FT2's plainly unsound m... Tue 2nd September 2008, 7:18am   Docknell
[quote name='Docknell' post='125570' date='Tue 2n... Tue 2nd September 2008, 7:22am    Random832
..., and we have printscreens on our side.
Th... Tue 2nd September 2008, 12:33pm     Docknell
..., and we have printscreens on our side.
T... Wed 3rd September 2008, 12:57pm
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