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post Tue 9th September 2008, 9:52am
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Interview: Wikipedia's founder on Wikia Green
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Wikipedia's founder has launched a community for all things green. Like Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales' new Wikia Green can be edited by anyone, but it's built to ...[/size][/font]

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post Tue 9th September 2008, 8:33pm
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There's some classic stuff from Jimbo in this one, folks.

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Were you seeing maybe an increased interest in green topics on Wikipedia? What sparked your interest in launching this?

Wales: One of the funny things about Wikipedia is I have no idea what the traffic is. We don't even track those kinds of numbers... This was sparked initially by a conversation with Al Gore last year just before he won the Nobel Prize. He said there should be a green wiki...We discussed it some and I decided hey, this is a good idea.


In one response Jimbo sounds ignorant (of traffic stats of the website on which he serves as a Board member), insulting of the volunteers ("we don't even track those kinds of numbers" sure might piss off a few workers who took the time to track it hourly), and all-too-glad to name drop (Al Gore, Jimbo? Are you really playing the Al Gore card?)

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What personal interest do you have in green topics and sustainability? Are you measuring your carbon footprint and trying to offset it?

Wales: Yes, I'm doing some things like that...At Wikia we're going through a process of trying to be certified as a green company...I come to this as an outsider. I'm part of that broad general public saying there's something really important and I want to learn more. It's time to wake up and do something. I'm finding it hard to get educated because the information is so disparate. I saw a need where people could come together and really clarifying and documenting all this kind of information.


Well, if Wikia can do anything, we know it's clarify information.

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Do you use any green servers, for instance, on the back-end are there efficiency features in terms of the hardware used to support all this?

Wales: No, we're looking into those kinds of things.


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Something I found interesting about the new Green Wikia is that (for example) this page about How to reduce your carbon footprint takes content ("a significant benefit for those who aren't in shape") verbatim from the site WikiHow. Now, WikiHow releases their content under a Creative Commons license that says "You must not use the content for commercial purposes."

Do you think that Wikia will say that they goofed in stealing the content, or will they say that they intend for Green Wikia to be a not-for-profit arm of Wikia, Inc., or will they say that this is just "typeset recycling" (a new form of conservation)?

I'll try to find out.

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post Tue 9th September 2008, 8:53pm
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Hmm... Maybe nevermind. It might just be a part of Green Wikia's mission:

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post Wed 10th September 2008, 2:42am
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Yeah, it's rife with one copyright violation after another after another.

Whoops, I couldn't actually link to my edit on that last one (copyright, The Skyscraper Museum and curator Carol Willis), because before I could click "Save", I was struck with this:

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You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason:
Your user name or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by JSharp. The reason given is Vandalism.

* Start of block: 02:37, 10 September 2008
* Expiry of block: 02:37, 10 March 2009
* Intended blockee: Thekohser

You can contact JSharp or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'email this user' feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it.


Looks like Wikia is EXACTLY like Wikipedia. Point out too many problems with the misappropriation of other people's copyrighted labor, and that will earn you a block-a-roo.

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post Wed 10th September 2008, 3:22pm
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As someone who disagrees with the majority of the green agenda (as do the majority of the UK population, if the comments I've heard while canvassing for elections are widespread), I'm tempted to join to ensure it remains NPOV!
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post Wed 10th September 2008, 3:28pm
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QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Wed 10th September 2008, 11:22am) *

As someone who disagrees with the majority of the green agenda (as do the majority of the UK population, if the comments I've heard while canvassing for elections are widespread), I'm tempted to join to ensure it remains NPOV!


Just make sure you swipe a lot of copyrighted material, verbatim, without attribution. That appears to be the way one "fits in" over there.

MollyH seems to be oblivious to the problem. She looks a bit like Rachel Marsden. I wonder if Jimbo's taken a liking to her, and that's the real reason he's promoting this particular Wikia sub-site so heavily?

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post Wed 10th September 2008, 3:36pm
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I'm amazed this hasn't happened before, given the political slant of Wikipedia (namely the slant that doesn't like the thought of individuals making money).

I'd suggest the liberal-leanings and green desires go hand-in-hand with abolishing copyright altogether, so the amount of infringement that seems to be going on at Green is no real surprise.

Might be worth taking a look around the rest of the Wikia Empire - I'd bet the sites nowhere near Wikipedia on the Google rankings don't bother with something as capitalistic as copyright at all!
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post Wed 10th September 2008, 4:24pm
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QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Wed 10th September 2008, 11:36am) *

I'm amazed this hasn't happened before, given the political slant of Wikipedia (namely the slant that doesn't like the thought of individuals making money).

I'd suggest the liberal-leanings and green desires go hand-in-hand with abolishing copyright altogether, so the amount of infringement that seems to be going on at Green is no real surprise.

Might be worth taking a look around the rest of the Wikia Empire - I'd bet the sites nowhere near Wikipedia on the Google rankings don't bother with something as capitalistic as copyright at all!


You'll see plenty of it, and also just some sloppy stuff.

For example, on the Finance Wikia (you'd think a bastion of conservative, copyright-loving old schoolers), you find a page that is an exact copy of something published on the Interinvest site, authored by Dr. Hans Black & Malcolm Thomas. The Wikia user who uploaded it (without attribution to Interinvest or Black or Thomas) goes by the name of "Interinvest". So, that could be some naive employee from Interinvest who doesn't respect their own copyright or attribution concerns, or it's just some joker who figured he'd name his account after the one site he was going to plagiarize. Seems to be the former. Seriously, why would you post an essay to Wikia without so much as one link or reference to your "home" source page? Stupid. I guess stupid people contribute to Wikia.

Finance Wikia is just a wasteland, though.

A more popular and active sub-site would be something like Cyber Nations, which I would venture a guess is 99% comprised of unique and original content. But considering the content, I don't think I would ever want to meet in person the loonies who are vomiting up this kind of information.

So, in sum after my assessments over the months of Wikia, you have three types of wikias:

1. Popular, fancruft sites that are huge, edited often, and 99% original content.

2. Much less popular, serious topic sites that are about 40%-80% culled from Wikipedia, with the remainder split between original content and copyright violations from proprietary sources.

3. Micro-small sites that never garnered more than a handful of editors and maybe 3 dozen articles.

Wikia is such an utter mess, if you actually take the 20 minutes or so to explore its far reaches.
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post Wed 10th September 2008, 4:49pm
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Something hilarious just popped into my e-mail inbox:

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Dear Thekohser,

There has been an edit to a page you are watching on Green Wiki.

See http://green.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Thekohser for the current
version.

This is a new page.

The summary of the edit is: "Banned User"

Please visit and edit often...

Green Wiki


Ooh, and the gal who banned me is Angie Shelton, another swell looker.

These ladies must know I'm so hot and magnetic, they have to ban me from Green Wikia, just to keep global warming at bay!
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post Wed 10th September 2008, 4:56pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 10th September 2008, 8:28am) *

MollyH seems to be oblivious to the problem. She looks a bit like Rachel Marsden. I wonder if Jimbo's taken a liking to her, and that's the real reason he's promoting this particular Wikia sub-site so heavily?
Greg

Could be she's working directly under him. happy.gif
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post Wed 10th September 2008, 8:07pm
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Yeah right, next thing you know they'll be trying to tell us Sarah Palin in an enviral-mentalist.

You are getting sleepy … very very sleepy …

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post Thu 11th September 2008, 1:01pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 10th September 2008, 8:07pm) *

Yeah right, next thing you know they'll be trying to tell us Sarah Palin in an enviral-mentalist.

You are getting sleepy … very very sleepy …

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Smile, folks! we're on Valleywag!

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post Thu 11th September 2008, 2:23pm
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Oh, goodness gracious. I've started another thread that's going to get Wikipedia Review more visitors. Poetlister and Guy and Yehudi are going to be so disappointed with my hucksterism.
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post Thu 11th September 2008, 2:36pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 11th September 2008, 2:23pm) *

Oh, goodness gracious. I've started another thread that's going to get Wikipedia Review more visitors. Poetlister and Guy and Yehudi are going to be so disappointed with my hucksterism.


No wonder Jimbo banned you on his "GreenWiki"...You are longer invited to the "Emerald City", Greg.

I guess that you're just not a friend of Dorothy's, Greg...
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post Thu 11th September 2008, 2:54pm
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Thu 11th September 2008, 10:36am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 11th September 2008, 2:23pm) *

Oh, goodness gracious. I've started another thread that's going to get Wikipedia Review more visitors. Poetlister and Guy and Yehudi are going to be so disappointed with my hucksterism.


No wonder Jimbo banned you on his "GreenWiki" … You are longer invited to the "Emerald City", Greg.

I guess that you're just not a friend of Dorothy's, Greg …


Hey, knock it off, some of my best friends are Munchkins:It's not their fault they're living in a Reign Of Terror (ROT) Behind The Green Door, er Curtain.

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post Thu 11th September 2008, 3:10pm
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It looks like the rats are scurrying into the corners, now that the copyright-holding cats have been notified.

The Skyscraper Museum didn't sound pleased that significant parts of their copyrighted "Green Glossary" have been lifted into Wikia without any attribution whatsoever.

So far, though, no apology to me, and no warning to those Users who were responsible for the illicit appropriation.

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post Thu 11th September 2008, 3:17pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 11th September 2008, 3:10pm) *

It looks like the rats are scurrying into the corners, now that the copyright-holding cats have been notified.

The Skyscraper Museum didn't sound pleased that significant parts of their copyrighted "Green Glossary" have been lifted into Wikia without any attribution whatsoever.

So far, though, no apology to me, and no warning to those Users who were responsible for the illicit appropriation.

Greg


I liked the bit about wondering if pond scum was green too on Valley Wag....
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post Thu 11th September 2008, 4:03pm
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Looks like User:Multimoog was probably on the receiving end of a "personal note" from Jimbo or maybe Angela, asking if he might "please help clean up" some of the copyrighted content on Green Wikia.

He's gotten through his A-B-C's, and even the D-E-F's, it looks like at this time.

It's odd. I guess if an outsider calls attention to copyright problems, that's a threat to the cult. But if an insider quietly shuffles along and sweeps away content, that's tolerable. Notice how nobody's halting him -- I mean, I thought page blankings in the Wiki(a)World are considered acts of vandalism?! I know I would have been banned if I tried to do that!

They're pitiful.

Looks like they have another, Wikipedia Review-like problem, too -- blatant advertising, followed by timid sheep who feel like they should ask before deleting it.
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post Thu 11th September 2008, 4:30pm
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Clearly, Jimbo's press tour for Green Wikia is bringing a mixed bag of attention back to his site.

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Mooka Bath and Body Studio: how to be green from head to toe! We all enjoy soaking in the bathtub for hours until our toes look like grandmas’! Nothing wrong with that, only if you really know what products you are soaking into! I recently discussed with Carolyn Wyse, Owner of Mooka Bath and Body Studio based in Montreal, about her eco-friendly bath and body product line. Discover how this young woman manages a Green business from the making to the packaging! To read or comment on this article, visit http://www.alternativechannel.tv/blog/en/


Free enterprise, at its best!

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