Moulton blocked on WV by Jimbo, !!! Options

[Rootology]

http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?titl...=User%3AMoulton

http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity..._for_incivility

Block of Moulton for incivility

After discussion with other admins, in which I was requested to personally make this block, I have indef blocked Moulton from this project. It is my belief that he was not here in a good faith effort to create learning materials, but rather was here to carry out his ongoing campaign against people who he thinks treated him unfairly at Wikipedia. After reviewing his case at Wikipedia, I think this is clearly not the case: he was properly blocked at Wikipedia, and should be blocked on sight from any Wikimedia project where he surfaces with a similar agenda.

I would recommend that a significant number of the attack pages be deleted, and the project protected at least for now, pending a good community discussion of what something like this should look like.

There are always difficult growing pains for young commuities; I have seen it in many languages and many projects. I encourage Wikiversity to review the "ethics" project - which, it seems to me could be an interesting project if handled appropriately - with an eye towards developing principles for dealing with such projects in the future. One idea that I would like to propose is an explicit ban on "case studies" using real examples of non-notable people, in exchange for hypotheticals. I would also like to encourage you to consider clarifying the scope of Wikiversity to make it more clear that it is not a place for people to come and build attack pages in the guise of learning materials.

In any event, I hope that my action here will be viewed as helpful. I did not act quickly, but only after discussion with important people, and only after hearing that 3 bureaucrats support this action. It is not my intention to be the "God King" of Wikiversity, although I do request that this block only be overturned upon a very careful consideration of the possible implications for the future of the project.

The first major internal conflict and ban is always tough. My thoughts are with you, and I wish you well.--Jimbo Wales 19:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

[dogbiscuit]

I'm afraid your performance makes me think of someone complaining about being bitten by a dog who wants to get that dog put down.

A man going about his business gets attacked by a dog without provocation, causing nasty wounds. The man calls the police and shows them the dog and his wounds. The dog is unpredictable and is known to bite without provocation, but he insists on demonstrating that the dog is dangerous by poking it with a hefty stick. It bites him. His friends agree that dogs shouldn't bite, but can't help noticing the hefty stick that he wields. The owner gets his own big stick out and proceeds to wield it against the man and the police stand back as they are not sure who has committed the worst crime. Assault! the man cries, arrest them! while poking the dog and the man with the hefty stick. Blows are exchanged. The dog fights back. The police decide they can do nothing as you are on private land and sidle away, and the land owner gets his security guards and throws the man out while singing protest songs about injustice, kicking and screaming on the way.

The interested observers watching this know that the man got badly bitten, and are sympathetic for the bandaged wreck in front of them, but are bemused at the way the man went about trying to sort out the problem. They sidle away when they see the hefty stick being wafted in their general direction in case they are about to get educated too.

You are allowed to stop banging your head against a brick wall. I understand the feeling of well being is quite to be recommended.

[Sxeptomaniac]

I'm afraid your performance makes me think of someone complaining about being bitten by a dog who wants to get that dog put down.

A man going about his business gets attacked by a dog without provocation, causing nasty wounds. The man calls the police and shows them the dog and his wounds. The dog is unpredictable and is known to bite without provocation, but he insists on demonstrating that the dog is dangerous by poking it with a hefty stick. It bites him. His friends agree that dogs shouldn't bite, but can't help noticing the hefty stick that he wields. The owner gets his own big stick out and proceeds to wield it against the man and the police stand back as they are not sure who has committed the worst crime. Assault! the man cries, arrest them! while poking the dog and the man with the hefty stick. Blows are exchanged. The dog fights back. The police decide they can do nothing as you are on private land and sidle away, and the land owner gets his security guards and throws the man out while singing protest songs about injustice, kicking and screaming on the way.

The interested observers watching this know that the man got badly bitten, and are sympathetic for the bandaged wreck in front of them, but are bemused at the way the man went about trying to sort out the problem. They sidle away when they see the hefty stick being wafted in their general direction in case they are about to get educated too.

You are allowed to stop banging your head against a brick wall. I understand the feeling of well being is quite to be recommended.

That's pretty close to my own assessment of the latest event. Really, calling KillerChihuahua by what was apparently her first name on the site was not only colossally stupid, it was an asshole move. It seems to me it was motivated not by what Moulton thought was right, but by what he thought he could get away with. I've been sympathetic towards Moulton, thanks to my own experiences with the same editors, but that sympathy is waning.

(Personally, I still wonder why Jimbo needed to be brought in, as it seems that a custodian on Wikiversity should have been able to take care of it. Not to be overly insulting to SB_Johnny, since he actually stepped up to do the initial short-term block, but I do wonder where the rest of the custodians' cojones are. It doesn't speak well that I, of all people, was the one that ended up removing her name from the edits.)

[Ottava]

That's pretty close to my own assessment of the latest event. Really, calling KillerChihuahua by what was apparently her first name on the site was not only colossally stupid, it was an asshole move. It seems to me it was motivated not by what Moulton thought was right, but by what he thought he could get away with. I've been sympathetic towards Moulton, thanks to my own experiences with the same editors, but that sympathy is waning.

(Personally, I still wonder why Jimbo needed to be brought in, as it seems that a custodian on Wikiversity should have been able to take care of it. Not to be overly insulting to SB_Johnny, since he actually stepped up to do the initial short-term block, but I do wonder where the rest of the custodians' cojones are. It doesn't speak well that I, of all people, was the one that ended up removing her name from the edits.)

There was a slow process going on of trying to have Moulton work with others, including KC.