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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:34pm
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(for the non USians among us That's a sports cliche from US baseball and it means "extremely well done" or "remarkably apt")


Heh. Of course due to aggressive cultural imperialism, complimented by a certain cultural insularity, corporate-enforced and general, the idiom ignorance tends to be uni-directional.
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:54pm
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QUOTE(One @ Wed 12th November 2008, 3:43am) *
Incidentally, is this really important?


His name is one thing - people are always going to disagree on that here - but I think that if he previously had a different username notorious enough for someone to reasonably make a statement like "If Jimmy and the voters had known what his older account was, he probably wouldn't be an arb today.", it's worth knowing that.

QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Thu 13th November 2008, 2:46am) *

Cary Bass also certified MB's "Cato" sockpuppet:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=924059&diffonly=yes


We don't actually know he didn't identify himself as MB - none of the other ones were ever certified identified, so Cary wouldn't have necessarily been reasonably expected to see a problem.
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 5:51pm
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Tarantino: It must have taken you at least an hour of research to track down Sam Blacketer's old userid.

What's the point of going to all that trouble if you won't spill the beans and start a massive drama? I'm curious as hell. smile.gif
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:25pm
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He's now identified. Not that that means much though.
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:33pm
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it's kinda funny looking at that page. What kind of job is it to follow Cary Bass around and fix his edits? How long will it take before Cary Bass realizes how to add people and edit the page correctly?

Well I guess it's a small miracle that Cary Bass at least manages to put them in alphabetical order.
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:40pm
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QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:25pm) *

He's now identified. Not that that means much though.


Anybody who's on Arbcom who hasn't publicly id'ed themselves is probably hiding something. Does anybody doubt that people are editing WP to push the POVs of outside entities?

That one or more these types has gotten elected to arbcom should be no surprise, especially when pseudos are the norm.

The solutions? Simple: requiring people in positions of trust to disclose identities and conflicts of interest. This isn't rocket science, folks.

I'll be very surprised if only one of the non-ided arbs has a hidden agenda....

QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 8:25pm) *

He's now identified. Not that that means much though.


If the WMF foundation thinks that saying "we know who this is" is going to solve this problem, they're hopelessly naïve...
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 9:03pm
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QUOTE(trenton @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:33pm) *

it's kinda funny looking at that page. What kind of job is it to follow Cary Bass around and fix his edits? How long will it take before Cary Bass realizes how to add people and edit the page correctly?

Well I guess it's a small miracle that Cary Bass at least manages to put them in alphabetical order.


Nearly impossible given that the data the guy keeps adding is a diff link that's only generated after Cary adds the name. ermm.gif
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 9:26pm
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:31pm) *

Are there any of you Wikipedians out there who have met the most secretive of the current arbs, Sam?

It's probable that he's using a pseudonym. Though he used to sign his emails "Sam Blacketer London E15", all the phone books and people directories I checked show no instances of that name anywhere in the UK. Additionally he is the only one out the 13 who does not have either the CU or oversight tools and has not verified his identity with the WMF. I thought there was a requirement that you must be at least 18 to be an arb. How has he proven this?


Er, you lost me. Thirteen? There are 16 current Arbs....
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:00pm
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 5:26pm) *

QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:31pm) *

Are there any of you Wikipedians out there who have met the most secretive of the current arbs, Sam?

It's probable that he's using a pseudonym. Though he used to sign his emails "Sam Blacketer London E15", all the phone books and people directories I checked show no instances of that name anywhere in the UK. Additionally he is the only one out the 13 who does not have either the CU or oversight tools and has not verified his identity with the WMF. I thought there was a requirement that you must be at least 18 to be an arb. How has he proven this?


Er, you lost me. Thirteen? There are 16 current Arbs....


Uh...check the date
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post Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:05pm
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QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:00pm) *

QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 5:26pm) *

QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 11th November 2008, 11:31pm) *

Are there any of you Wikipedians out there who have met the most secretive of the current arbs, Sam?

It's probable that he's using a pseudonym. Though he used to sign his emails "Sam Blacketer London E15", all the phone books and people directories I checked show no instances of that name anywhere in the UK. Additionally he is the only one out the 13 who does not have either the CU or oversight tools and has not verified his identity with the WMF. I thought there was a requirement that you must be at least 18 to be an arb. How has he proven this?


Er, you lost me. Thirteen? There are 16 current Arbs....


Uh...check the date


Oh, bah. Is it really so hard to start a new topic? When these things span months and have long gaps, I always get confused. tongue.gif Thanks for the clarification.
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post Sat 23rd May 2009, 5:39am
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QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 9:03pm) *
Nearly impossible given that the data the guy keeps adding is a diff link that's only generated after Cary adds the name. ermm.gif


I've complained about the inability to generate this sort of link at edit time before.
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post Sat 23rd May 2009, 7:10am
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QUOTE(CrazyGameOfPoker @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:03pm) *

QUOTE(trenton @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 4:33pm) *

it's kinda funny looking at that page. What kind of job is it to follow Cary Bass around and fix his edits? How long will it take before Cary Bass realizes how to add people and edit the page correctly?

Well I guess it's a small miracle that Cary Bass at least manages to put them in alphabetical order.


Nearly impossible given that the data the guy keeps adding is a diff link that's only generated after Cary adds the name. ermm.gif


I know, which is why I said add and edit.... but still the guy has his little helpers following him around. Teach a guy to fish and all that....

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I've complained about the inability to generate this sort of link at edit time before.


There are some things a wiki is not suited for and this may be one of them.
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post Sat 23rd May 2009, 9:53am
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 13th November 2008, 2:20am) *

So we have a UK Wikipedian, with what can be construed as a misleading identity, that is well-versed in the MMORPG and exhibits antipathy towards Greg. Why does this sound familiar?

You can add "interested in Wikiquote" to this list if the old account as what I think.

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post Sat 23rd May 2009, 6:19pm
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Some months ago I decided to resign from the committee and return to article editing, notifying the committee privately on 20 February. That resignation now takes effect. Before joining the committee I had used the account Fys for editing which should have been disclosed. Sam Blacketer (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 9:53am) *

QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 13th November 2008, 2:20am) *

So we have a UK Wikipedian, with what can be construed as a misleading identity, that is well-versed in the MMORPG and exhibits antipathy towards Greg. Why does this sound familiar?

You can add "interested in Wikiquote" to this list if the old account as what I think.

So I was right:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/User:Fys
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 7:26pm) *

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 9:53am) *

QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 13th November 2008, 2:20am) *

So we have a UK Wikipedian, with what can be construed as a misleading identity, that is well-versed in the MMORPG and exhibits antipathy towards Greg. Why does this sound familiar?

You can add "interested in Wikiquote" to this list if the old account as what I think.

So I was right:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/User:Fys

Probably called David, likely works for Westminster City Council went to St Catharine's College, Cambridge in the early 90's.
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Wonder if anyone is concerned that Sam, er... Dave, er... Soul Man is an admin despite being previously desysopped by arbcom in August 2006.
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post Sat 23rd May 2009, 7:13pm
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Is this Sam?
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post Sat 23rd May 2009, 7:29pm
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 8:13pm) *



Seems to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=73364587

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=73019657

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...age=User%3ADbiv

Edit:corrected duplicated url

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*01:14, 15 February 2006 Fys (talk | contribs) unblocked "Dbiv (talk | contribs)" ‎ (Yes, I know I am not supposed to do this. Justification 1: Block was wrongly applied. Justification 2: I have a major edit which I am not going to lose come what may. WP:IAR applies)

Entries like this become confusing when a user is renamed. The subject of the above sentence is stored as a number (his user id 55217) but the direct object is stored as text (log_title == "Dbiv" && log_namespace == "2"). This is the name of the target page/user at the time the action was taken.

One part of the data reflects the name change, as viewing the log looks up the new name based on the user_id number which remains the same, but old data is used for second part.

In effect it becomes less obvious that he unblocked himself, which is usually considered the highest form of admin abuse. This is inherently more serious than whatever was done to warrant the block, whether it was justified or not.
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