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[Somey]

Seems to be.

Okay, so... Someone, possibly Mr. Boothroyd himself, created the article on him as an AnonIP, and two weeks later, User:Fys - i.e., Boothroyd - tried to have it deleted, and the attempt failed. The original talk page for the article was deleted in April 2007, presumably because it compromised either Fys (T-C-L-K-R-D) or David Boothroyd (T-C-L-K-R-D) ... or both.

There's almost no way this guy should be "notable" enough for an article, even by Wikipedia's ridiculously low standards. I think we can assume that he'll start a new WP user account and try again as an editor/admin/whatever, for whatever purpose(s), but... do we know if he still wants the BLP article deleted? Has he said anything recently, one way or another?

[cyofee]

Good work, tarantino.

There's an Indian saying along the lines of "You'll recognize the truth because it's unpleasent".

This affair shows how skilled and motivated people can and do manipulate and game Wikipedia's systems of checks and balances. If I ever have a year to waste, I think I'll go for Arbcom membership myself. It'd be like playing World of Warcraft, only better, because my success would have real-world consequences.

This post has been edited by cyofee: Sat 23rd May 2009, 8:36pm

[MBisanz]

...do we know if he still wants the BLP article deleted? Has he said anything recently, one way or another?

After a two year hiatus, the answer is: Yes

[RMHED]

...do we know if he still wants the BLP article deleted? Has he said anything recently, one way or another?

After a two year hiatus, the answer is: Yes

Speedy deleted by Jehochman, yet it didn't meet the speedy criteria. Now I wonder why it got this special treatment?

Archived

This post has been edited by RMHED: Sat 23rd May 2009, 8:58pm

[UseOnceAndDestroy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=73364587

Is that first link a typo, or has the revision been vanished?

[MBisanz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=73364587

Is that first link a typo, or has the revision been vanished?

The page was deleted, so a diff based link like that will no longer work. I don't know what you mean by "vanished", but I don't think that would qualify as vanishing.

[CharlotteWebb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=73364587

Is that first link a typo, or has the revision been vanished?

The article has just been deleted.

[RMHED]

Yes lucky old David Boothroyd AKA as Wikipedia User Sam Blacketer, User Fys, User Dbiv and User David Boothroyd, was having his privacy protected by his chums.

Now if only other marginal BLP's could be so well cared for.

This post has been edited by RMHED: Sat 23rd May 2009, 9:46pm

[zvook]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=73364587

Is that first link a typo, or has the revision been vanished?

The page was deleted, so a diff based link like that will no longer work. I don't know what you mean by "vanished", but I don't think that would qualify as vanishing.

Yep, it was just a link to the DB account editing the DB article and referring to itself as the subject in the edit summary.

[One]

Yes lucky old David Boothroyd AKA as Wikipedia User Sam Blacketer, User Fys, User Dbiv and User David Boothroyd, was having his privacy protected by his chums.

Now if only other marginal BLP's could be so well cared for.

They sort of are: BLPs can be deleted if the subjects ask for the dramatic force of the site on them. The problem is that they have to raise their profile to do this. It would be better if these were routine. We'll be lucky if no one DRVs this biography.

[Milton Roe]

Yes lucky old David Boothroyd AKA as Wikipedia User Sam Blacketer, User Fys, User Dbiv and User David Boothroyd, was having his privacy protected by his chums.

Now if only other marginal BLP's could be so well cared for.

When is somebody going to mention on WP that having a BLP up on WP AND using your own name as username, doesn't allow you to use 3 other accounts, at least one of them a sock at the same time? For example: User:Fys doesn't exactly say "Unblocking user:Dbiv (my alternatve account)", now does he? That would be an edit dif comment we'd like to see.

As with the Weiss/Mantanmoreland case we're about to see much gaming of the system, carried on under the idea that is was necessary to protect the editor's privacy. And of course this will be used as a weapon against all anti-gamers.

Yes lucky old David Boothroyd AKA as Wikipedia User Sam Blacketer, User Fys, User Dbiv and User David Boothroyd, was having his privacy protected by his chums.

Now if only other marginal BLP's could be so well cared for.

They sort of are: BLPs can be deleted if the subjects ask for the dramatic force of the site on them.

Meaning what?

The problem is that they have to raise their profile to do this. It would be better if these were routine.

There's an understatement. It would be nice with wikiadmins had to put up with the same BLP crap that everyone does. But of course they don't. If they later become admins, then they game the system and maybe get a BLP deleted without anybody making the connection. Or not. If they get outed at WR first, well, then they get what they want, but not in the way they wanted it.

[tarantino]

IIRC Dominic edited the bio around the same time that Sam says he informed his colleagues of his intentions to retire. Admins may want to confirm that.

[MBisanz]

IIRC Dominic edited the bio around the same time that Sam says he informed his colleagues of his intentions to retire. Admins may want to confirm that.

That would mean something if Dominic was still on the arb-l mailing list, but seeing as he was removed before then with all the other functionaries, I don't think it does. And in the same period, Dominic was editing several sex-related articles as part of an AFD series, so again, I don't see an explicit connection.

Also, Dominic was the arb who first proposed desysopping Dbiv , so I cannot imagine him all of a sudden deciding to help the fellow out under the table.

[Alex]

Wow... is all I can say. He sure fooled us. Thankfully he has stepped down.

[MBisanz]

For example: User:Fys doesn't exactly say "Unblocking user:Dbiv (my alternatve account)", now does he? That would be an edit dif comment we'd like to see.

Milton, you missed both Charlotte's comment above and mine at WT:AC/N. Dbiv was renamed to Fys. But MediaWiki only renamed the first half of the block log (it was an error that was just fixed in 2009. So at the time, it read Dbiv unblocked User:Dbiv, but when it was renamed, it became Fys unblocked User:Dbiv. At the time it would have been (and at the related RFAR was) crystal clear what had occurred.

[trenton]

Ha. Like this kangaroo court needed any more credibility problems. Although Mr Blacketer's meteoric rise from lowly peon to mighty arbonaught in less than two years should prove instructive on how to game the system. It seems that Mr Blacketer learned his lesson well with his first account.

[Kevin]

Wow... is all I can say. He sure fooled us. Thankfully he has stepped down.

I wonder what other dark secrets are lurking about the place.

[Alex]

Wow... is all I can say. He sure fooled us. Thankfully he has stepped down.

I wonder what other dark secrets are lurking about the place.

I asked whether any other Arbitrators are reincarnations. As it happens, I doubt any are, but you never know. Of course, there are probably numerous admins who are reincarnations. That doesn't bother me so much as this.

[Milton Roe]

For example: User:Fys doesn't exactly say "Unblocking user:Dbiv (my alternatve account)", now does he? That would be an edit dif comment we'd like to see.

Milton, you missed both Charlotte's comment above and mine at WT:AC/N. Dbiv was renamed to Fys. But MediaWiki only renamed the first half of the block log (it was an error that was just fixed in 2009. So at the time, it read Dbiv unblocked User:Dbiv, but when it was renamed, it became Fys unblocked User:Dbiv. At the time it would have been (and at the related RFAR was) crystal clear what had occurred.

Okay, I have to retract the sock comment (although having this coverred up by software screwups later is way convenient). I see that the "I'm not supposed to do this" relates to the unblocking himself. His reasoning is all-the-more precious: "Yes, I know I am not supposed to do this. Justification 1: Block was wrongly applied. Justification 2: I have a major edit which I am not going to lose come what may. WP:IAR applies."

Hey, I want WP:IAR to apply to me!


We've got your basic campaign bio-massager for Brit labour MPs, who sticks his own bio up on Wikipedia, then spends all his time writting canned political bios and posting them on WP. With a weeee bit more attension to Labourites.

Okay, so this is working, until he starts to rise in the ranks. He tries to get his own BLP deleted and is no more successful than anybody else usually is at this (extracting your own BLP off WP is ordinarily much like extracting teeth). He dares not make a stink about it, but progresses through a series of alternatve names. Soon, due to software screwups, there's hardly any trace of the old him at all. And now, he's way up to arbitrator! Who knows how long before he'll be arbitrating cases involving politicians' BLPs in the UK.

But, so sorry, he got outted on WR (you couldn't do that on WP, no matter how corrupt it was) and his real name and BLP name is known. So then (fancy that) Jehochman immediately NOW deletes his BLP for being non-notable. Nobody had noticed that it was non-notable before, even during its first RfD.

And yes, there was some overly private information in it, perhaps. All of it added by the subject. Who was now in a position of not being able to remove it, without notice.

WP: you're totally corrupt. You're full of people who cannot stand your own rules to apply to themselves. And full of other people who support this state.

WP, you make me puke.

[Alex]

WP, you make me puke.

If that's the case, why do you spend so much of your time on this forum talking about it? If something made me "puke" I would certainly keep away from it - although that may be difficult with Wikipedia, I'd at least stop yakking about it on webforums.