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post Tue 18th November 2008, 10:25pm
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hee hee

impressively dumb!

(sorry DG, you're a pussycat, I know... but that was spectacularly useless!)
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post Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:06pm
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I may be missing something, but can anyone explain to me what Giano actually does to deserve this Cult Status?

Sure, he writes a few nice articles, but so did fellow sock-puppeteers Poetguy and SlimVirgin. And writing a decent article for WP isn't particularly taxing.

I just take a look at Giano's endless drama-fueled stunts and wonder why he hasn't been given the boot long ago? His relentless, hyperactive, jack-in-the-box rabble-rousing lacks any credibility to me.

This kind of thing is clearly bad for Wikipedia -- which is good for everyone else, of course. If Giano was doing this stuff as some kind of anti-Wikipedia activist, I'd be applauding him at every turn, but he and a whole load of followers seem to think these antics represent some kind of credible anti-corruption drive to improve the place.

When the red mist clears, Team Giano are generally found to be as indoctrinated, and as blind to the genuine problems of WP as the most hardline Wikipedo. Meaning that these interpersonal dramas actually obstruct reform by sapping time and energy.
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post Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:31pm
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QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:06pm) *

I may be missing something, but can anyone explain to me what Giano actually does to deserve this Cult Status?

Sure, he writes a few nice articles, but so did fellow sock-puppeteers Poetguy and SlimVirgin. And writing a decent article for WP isn't particularly taxing.

I just take a look at Giano's endless drama-fueled stunts and wonder why he hasn't been given the boot long ago? His relentless, hyperactive, jack-in-the-box rabble-rousing lacks any credibility to me.

This kind of thing is clearly bad for Wikipedia -- which is good for everyone else, of course. If Giano was doing this stuff as some kind of anti-Wikipedia activist, I'd be applauding him at every turn, but he and a whole load of followers seem to think these antics represent some kind of credible anti-corruption drive to improve the place.

When the red mist clears, Team Giano are generally found to be as indoctrinated, and as blind to the genuine problems of WP as the most hardline Wikipedo. Meaning that these interpersonal dramas actually obstruct reform by sapping time and energy.


That remark makes me think seriously of leaving WR. Perhaps I wouldn't be missed. Giano may not lack drama but he stands for all the maligned and abused and despised content contributors that are still there. And he sticks up for them too.

That was an appalling remark Kato. I had a very high opinion of you until I saw this.
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post Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:37pm
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Giano is seen as, and to a large extent is, the leading defender of content-contributors against the parasitical mandarin class and their leadership. To what extent he contributes articles is almost irrelevant, but that he is a great writer is beyond the doubt of anyone that reads his articles. This is more than one can say for most of the puffed-up nobodies who support his blocks, who do absolutely nothing except chatter to each other, endow each other with glorifying positions and tell others what they should do.

That he's being constantly blocked though probably doesn't anger many of his supporters these days, as each one is a demonstration in impotence and stupidity that doesn't do anyone but the issuer harm. It's this latter thing that amazes me. The newbie admin blocking him for attention and patronage is one thing, but guys like DG and FT2 doing it astonishes me. I mean, there was no chance either of these blocks were going to stick.

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QUOTE(Deacon @ Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:37am) *

Giano is seen as, and to a large extent is, the leading defender of content-contributors against the parasitical mandarin class and their leadership.
Well said.
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privatemusings   Gerard blocks Giano for sockpuppetry   Tue 18th November 2008, 10:25pm
Doc glasgow   hee hee impressively dumb! (sorry DG, you...   Tue 18th November 2008, 10:31pm
LessHorrid vanU   David Gerard has blocked Giano for operating the C...   Tue 18th November 2008, 10:37pm
Alex   This thread is a duplicate. Should be merged. Mod...   Tue 18th November 2008, 10:47pm
Alex   Friday's opinion:   Tue 18th November 2008, 10:51pm
Son of a Yeti   Friday's opinion: It's getting better...   Tue 18th November 2008, 11:00pm
Milton Roe   Friday's opinion: It's getting bette...   Tue 18th November 2008, 11:37pm
sarcasticidealist   Giano's handling this with uncharacteristic go...   Tue 18th November 2008, 11:07pm
Alex   Now a request for arbitration is opened. Phil Sand...   Tue 18th November 2008, 11:30pm
Basil   Phil Sandifer demonstrating that he hasn't los...   Tue 18th November 2008, 11:35pm
CrazyGameOfPoker   ====Statement by [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakhare...   Wed 19th November 2008, 1:01am
Kato   I might as well export a post I made to another th...   Wed 19th November 2008, 1:15am
EricBarbour   [b]All that blather about [i]those nasty arbcom m...   Wed 19th November 2008, 5:36am
The Joy   I think it if this is accepted, it'll just be ...   Wed 19th November 2008, 2:11am
SirFozzie   I have a sneaky suspicion that all folks who run f...   Wed 19th November 2008, 2:15am
The Wales Hunter   I have a sneaky suspicion that all folks who run ...   Wed 19th November 2008, 2:27am
SirFozzie   That verification is REAL LIFE information (your n...   Wed 19th November 2008, 2:28am
The Wales Hunter   Fair point. Though I wouldn't have any problem...   Wed 19th November 2008, 2:37am
Anonymous editor   http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6817/facepalmmu...   Wed 19th November 2008, 4:32am
everyking   None of these joke account sockpuppets should be a...   Wed 19th November 2008, 5:57am
Giano   None of these joke account sockpuppets should be ...   Wed 19th November 2008, 9:27am
Cla68   None of these joke account sockpuppets should be...   Thu 20th November 2008, 6:08am
Herschelkrustofsky   I usually just go to Jimbo's talk page and as...   Sat 22nd November 2008, 9:56pm
Pumpkin Muffins   ..and behold! This debate is now [url=http://e...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 3:31am
The Joy   ..and behold! This debate is now [url=http://...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:28am
Lar   I don't believe I've ever witnessed an on...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:44am
The Joy   I don't believe I've ever witnessed an o...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 6:08am
Giggy   I'm not trying to gloat, Lar, and I can tell ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:28am
Deacon   This recent block, done in the middle of a GMT nig...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:45am
GlassBeadGame   I don't believe I've ever witnessed an o...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 3:52pm
everyking   ..and behold! This debate is now [url=http://...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:47am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='142155' date='Wed 19th ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 3:44am
Kato   Probably Giano should have said that all the goth ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:57am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='142577' date='Sun ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:03pm
Peter Damian   I can't be bothered to comment. It's all ...   Wed 19th November 2008, 9:09am
maggot3   Already a thread about it, just for your informati...   Wed 19th November 2008, 9:13am
Peter Damian   Already a thread about it, just for your informat...   Wed 19th November 2008, 9:17am
Doc glasgow   David Gerard was obviously trolling, but he's ...   Wed 19th November 2008, 9:33am
Giano   David Gerard was obviously trolling, but he's...   Wed 19th November 2008, 9:54am
Doc glasgow   I just don't like the thought of David Gerar...   Wed 19th November 2008, 1:01pm
Alex   I just don't like the thought of David Gerard...   Wed 19th November 2008, 1:42pm
Piperdown   There's just something wrong with any organisa...   Fri 21st November 2008, 1:29am
Kato   On an unrelated note, I generally loathe historica...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:44am
Peter Damian   Lovely comment on Giano talk page: Oh yes and A...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:59am
Moulton   [quote name='The Joy' post='142585' date='Sun 23rd...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 10:49am
Herschelkrustofsky   Oh yes and Adler knows his stuff. Mr. Adler, if ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 3:07pm
SirFozzie   and SlimVirgin has unblocked. (Block log); 04:12 ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:18am
Cla68   and SlimVirgin has unblocked. (Block log); 04:12...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:29am
Cedric   That's a power play if I've ever seen one...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 10:34am
Proabivouac   and SlimVirgin has unblocked. (Block log); 04:12 ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 10:44am
Deacon   and SlimVirgin has unblocked. Was wondering wh...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:29am
SirFozzie   .. No. I don't agree with the block, but I wou...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:33am
Deacon   .. No. I don't agree with the block, but I wo...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:48am
Peter Damian   I expect I will be accused of harrassing FT2 again...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 3:45pm
Herschelkrustofsky   The only remotely uncivil remark he made was this...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:43pm
Kato   I may be missing something, but can anyone explain...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:06pm
wikiwhistle   Giano is seen as, and to a large extent is, the l...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:40pm
Peter Damian   [quote name='Deacon' post='142623' date='Sun 23rd...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:51pm
Obesity   That remark makes me think seriously of leaving W...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:06pm
Peter Damian   That remark makes me think seriously of leaving ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:11pm
groody   Please, Peter. This is vintage Kato. Anyone who...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:25pm
Milton Roe   Can't speak for Kato, but I can speak for mys...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:35pm
groody   ...vandalized stuff does NOT go "out of exist...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:16pm
Lar   As Mr. Spock once said about logic, it's a wr...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:16pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='142657' date='Sun ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:32pm
Lar   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='142657' date='Sun...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:34pm
Kato   Please, Peter. This is vintage Kato. Anyone who...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:26pm
Obesity   I don't recall writing anything of the sort y...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 6:14pm
Kato   If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry, but your ...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:02pm
Kato   That remark makes me think seriously of leaving W...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:46pm
wikiwhistle   I may be missing something, but can anyone explai...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:37pm
Pumpkin Muffins   I may be missing something, but can anyone explai...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:38pm
Doc glasgow   [quote name='Kato' post='142620' date='Sun 23rd N...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:56pm
Peter Damian   His "content contributors vs ruling admins...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:03pm
Doc glasgow   His "content contributors vs ruling admins...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:15pm
Newyorkbrad   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='142681' date='Su...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:25pm
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='142681' date='Su...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:38pm
Newyorkbrad   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='142681' date='S...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:48pm
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='142691' date='Su...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:51pm
Doc glasgow   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='142681' date='S...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:54pm
Pumpkin Muffins   Kato is right, and Pumpkin Muffins is talking crap...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:46pm
Peter Damian   Like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Pal...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:44pm
wikiwhistle   Like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Pa...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:59pm
maggot3   Precisely, he's only worked on a few articles...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 6:03pm
Piperdown   Most "uncivil". http://en.wikipedia.org...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 4:58pm
Mike H   We went from Peter Damian to Michael Damian. Lov...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 5:14pm
Peter Damian   Even our own Wikiwhistle joins the anti-Giano hord...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 6:01pm
JoseClutch   True or not, Giano is also widely seen as the vict...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 6:34pm
Kelly Martin   he gets a pass when he returns the level of civili...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 6:50pm
wikiwhistle   Here is the content contribution in giano's la...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:39pm
GlassBeadGame   It is not surprising that people disenchanted with...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:47pm
Peter Damian   Here is the content contribution in giano's l...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:51pm
Deacon   In other news, FT2 has launched an Arbitration cas...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 7:58pm
One   OK, this thread has gone on long enough without th...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:06pm
Milton Roe   OK, this thread has gone on long enough without t...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 8:18pm
The Wales Hunter   OK, this thread has gone on long enough without t...   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:00pm
D.A.F.   Interesting   Sun 23rd November 2008, 9:16pm
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