FT2 and Paul Sinclair, FT2 is not the man in the photos Options

[Proabivouac]

Last night, I spoke by telephone at some length to Paul Sinclair of Sinclair Associates, the man pictured in this thread…
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=20192&st=0

…and on Hivemind:
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/hivemind.html#338

FT2 was certainly the "Paul Sinclair" of the failed Wikimedia UK, but this man is not FT2. Accordingly, I suggest tarpitting threads in which this innocent man is exposed and criticized in FT2's stead.

[Lar]

I find this all confusing as all get out.

Which isn't the end of the world because
a) If it confuses me, it no doubt confuses everyone else, which seems a good thing since you're all busily trying to out people.
b) It's amusing to see all these pseuds industriously trying to connect real life identities together,
and c) It doesn't matter, really, who FT2 is... Who cares? Not me.

For the record I condemn all of this as BS, harrassy, stalky, and missing the point. Not to mention WR at its worst. Not that anyone cares but there you go.

Carry on playing silly buggers.

[Milton Roe]

I find this all confusing as all get out.

Which isn't the end of the world because
a) If it confuses me, it no doubt confuses everyone else, which seems a good thing since you're all busily trying to out people.
b) It's amusing to see all these pseuds industriously trying to connect real life identities together,
and c) It doesn't matter, really, who FT2 is... Who cares? Not me.

For the record I condemn all of this as BS, harrassy, stalky, and missing the point. Not to mention WR at its worst. Not that anyone cares but there you go.

Carry on playing silly buggers.

There's nothing silly-buggerish about ferreting out abuse of power on WP in service of POVs. I really don't give a fig if a WP admin screws pooches (even non metaphorically) and hogties his sex partners (even when they aren't hogs). It's when they push these points of view at the end of a block button that they start becoming at-risk.

I'f you (Lar) had indef blocked people for saying derisive things about LEGOS or even atheism on WP, and we didn't know your real name, you've be at-risk for being punished for power-abuse, too. But you don't abuse your power, and you use your real name, so that doesn't happen.

Look, in the real-world there is endless argument about sadism, masochism, bondage, pedophilia, zoophilia, and all kinds of other paraphilias. If WP mirrored the real world, there's be a more or less constant edit warring on those things, also. I see no honest way out of that.

But WP is nothing, if not dishonest. The reason the "what's ethical or tasteful or appropriate" war doesn't happen on Wikipedia, is that powerful people there have simply banned anybody who doesn't share their point of view. People like FT2 WP:OWN the zoophilia articles, and protect them. In the case of pedophilia, Jimbo decided that for the sake of the health of the project he was going to do the opposite, and simply ban anybody that even vaguely looked like a pedophile. That's how WP works. Not by concensus. Not by reasoned argument. But by people gaining power by subterfuge (see Gerard's oversights of FT2's embarrassing edits prior to FT2's RfA), and then by exercising it to silence the opposition.

You can call me a silly bugger all you like, Lar, and I'll call you a silly bugger right back. It's your site more than mine! I don't exercise power on WP. You're the guy who is the Steward there. If I were you, I'd frankly be embarrassed to mention systemic WP problems, because they all invite the comment of: "We do this on WR because nobody on WP has really addressed the problem."

Wikipedia's problem is far less anonymous editing than anonymous power-wielding in service of hidden POVs. This discussion is about that.

[EricBarbour]

I really don't give a fig if a WP admin screws pooches (even non metaphorically) and hogties his sex partners (even when they aren't hogs). It's when they push these points of view at the end of a block button that they start becoming at-risk.

That's it. Thank you for summarizing.

And I have no doubt that both FT2 and Gerard are reading this thread, and laughing their heads off.