Rlevse acting to remove questions from his Arbcom election manifesto Options Rating

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

OK. This is going to be contentious and I don't expect everyone to agree with me on the MO, as it discussed his personal history, but I would like to discuss this and make it a matter of serious public concern because it relates to an individual being given the great amount of privileges in the system.

• a) In the first place, I cannot see where I went wrong and
• b) it starts to evidence how a very sick and corrupt place the Wikipedia can be.

The issue started off when Rlevse, as a checkuser, sysop, bureaucrat, accused me of being some IP editor in another continent who had made a death threat, used that as an excuse to block me, and then as a checkuser continued to accuse me of being other "notorious sockpuppeteers", again scattered over numerous countries blind fashion.

I edited from one ISP and use a minority Operating System. By the server logs (which note browser/OS etc), there can be NO way in which I was associated with the other users. Rlevse disallowed the user name I created to file a checkuser on the Caspian blue / Appletrees's anti-Japanese tag team, Documentingabuse on the basis of content edits I had made and it all went downhill from there. The user Caspian blue / Appletrees being given the foundations to make successive and accumulative admin complaints to block my editing.

Following on from the issues raised by the post, here; Where the Wiki fails post deleted from Jimbo Wales page topic I want to highlight issues behind sysop, bureaucrat and checkuser Rlevse acting to remove questions from his Arbcom election manifesto page, being party to wiki-gaming on the basis of racial prejudices in my opinion and evidences very clear "reasonable doubt" of his

• a) impartiality and
• b) technical integrity*.

Key elements required for an "arbcom" or so senior a member.

* By "technical integrity", I mean his ability to use the privileges that he has been given honestly and accurately.

In my opinion, had such a situation arisen in an accountable, professional environment, e.g. academia, there is no way on earth that he and his cabal would be allowed to get away with what they are doing.

Please bear with me as the history behind it is fairly long and effects extend over number related topics that the Korean nationalists and their supporters have a hold on. I was fool enough to attempt add a few references, primarily from Korean feminist academics, highlighting the hyper-masculinist nature of Korean society and its history of slavery, relating it to contemporary prostitution and sex abuse of women; likewise, its government and leadership's complicity in not just the WWII Comfort women issue but also post-war US military prostitution, and its war crimes in Vietnam (which also involved forced prostitution). All fairly intelligent and well documented events.

What I have discovered is that if one questions the status quo, reasonably and accurately, one is likely to experience very considerable repercussions and every effort be made to restrict your involvement in the project. It is almost as if, the worst crime is to question the status quo.

• To game,
• to abuse or ignore policy,
• to use corruptions of it to one's advantage,
• to deliberate damage others in an entirely dishonest fashion,
• to engage is documenting all types of filth or meaningless trivia ...

is completely acceptable ... but to question the authority of the cabal is unforgivable.

This has all the hallmarks of a dysfunctional family or group psychology in which the abusive principles (the elders, the cabal) attacks to silence those that question the dysfunctionality and abuse. You see it in families where it is the good kid that is accused of being the problem and you see it in fundamental religious communities over issues such as sex abuse where it is the victim that is attacked.

The system rewards those with abusive psychologies ... I would go as far as to say "complex psychopaths". Very intelligent individuals but ones that are corrupt and malicious. With regards the Korea issue though, and perhaps others, I am starting to believe that there are more concerted efforts at control going on.

I have the habit of archiving pages as the wikipedians have the habit of removing and even deleting them from histories; Let's talk Randy, Webcitation archive.

== We need to talk Randy. Re Caspian Blue & Japan-Korea related topics ==

Hi,

'''we need to talk, Randy.'''

I will leave to your decision whether we do it here in a nice, calm and mature fashion or we do it across the internet. I have become a little sick of dealing with what you started off. You made utterly bogus public statements that I was some IP editor in Canada that had made death threats, when all my edits have been made from a different continent, and refused to withdraw them.

'''I am heartened to hear of your concerns about the long term ethnic wars and the transparency of the Arbcom committee members. I am too. '''

'''However, I would consider an breach of ethics for such a privilege user as yourself to act remove questions from their own arbcom election page as you did.'''

* (''Documentingabuse, note you are now indef blocked. The IP your user page redirected to, 207.112.75.189, was already blocked for making death threats on the footnotes RFAR page earlier today. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC'') and here. - You will, of course, remember (and see) that actually my user page redirected to 222.150.193.35 where I stated clearly the purpose and intent of documenting the abuse of the wiki system by small groups of individuals or tag teams.
* Despite having checkuser privileges, I also note that you erroneously flagged my IP addresses up as other accused users, in several other continents, in order to block them. Accounts that would to a checkuser clearly have no obvious connection, fueling the suspicions and allegations of other parties with a vested interest. In my opinion, you appear to be acting as a highly useful proxy for {{User|Caspian_blue}}. I am forced to suspect on the basis of racial prejudices.

Based on your statements, in trying to deduce the foundations of both your prejudices in the ongoing Korean-Japanese disputes and your willingness to overlook of core policies, I asked you whether you had served in the Pacific-Asia arena. On the foundation of the bogus accusations you first made, you acted to block my account and have another admin remove those questions. ...Question_from_Occidentalist
----
You can imagine my surprise to discover that not only had you served in Pacific-Asia but that you came from a military family (both on your father's / Roadifer side) that;
* '''had lost two family members in the war against Japan'''
* '''had another relative who fought as a marine at Shuri in Okinawa'''
* '''had come to Japan at the tale end of the American occupation of Japan (we can quibble over dates)'''

Please correct me if I am wrong in any detail. These would seem to point to reasonable enough grounds to suspect a non-NPOV.
----
Further, yourself being;
* '''an ex-member of the US military'''
* '''having an 'Asian bride''''
* '''having no academic expertise in either history or gender politics beyond being a self-proclaimed "Medal of Honor sleuth"'''
would seem to me raise reasonable doubts about your impartiality in related and highly contentious areas as;
* '''the nature and effects of US military prostitution in East Asia (Thailand, Korea, Japan etc)'''
* '''Japanese WWII related history'''
I am, of course, addressing the rather obvious ongoing {{User|Caspian_blue}}-Korea nationalist affair. I suggest you only fueled and supported their poisonous obsession at wasting the time of, frightening off or discrediting any author who questions their ownership of Japanese-Korean related topics and Korean nationalist interests. I can, of course, produce copious diffs to substantiate this.

The broad and inaccurate sweep of allegations made against me (and others), would equally raise reasonable doubts about either your technical abilities or your integrity relating to anti-Japanese matters, due to the misuse of the privileges you have been given.

I have made many attempts at reasonable discussion before the situation evolved to what it is now. Of course, certain individuals have no intent on either engaging in reasonable discussion, or following Wikipedia policy, as it is not in their interest. Certain admins are willing to cover or overlook this.

But I offer you the opportunity again.

Thank you,

Archived, <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5csuvZWGw" target="_blank">http://www.webcitation.org/5csuvZWGw</a>.
Archived <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5csyv4mJa" target="_blank">http://www.webcitation.org/5csyv4mJa</a>.

: I note that your questions page at the arbcom election is again protected (disallowing me to raise the same questions again). Questions_for_the_candidate.

--[[User:Message for Randy Lee Everette|Message for Randy Lee Everette]] ([[User talk:Message for Randy Lee Everette|talk]]) 09:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Its interesting ... but in a matter of minutes, Caspian blue is on the case snitching to any available and supportive admin and deleting the evidence of the wikipedia, here;

• Message for Randy Lee Everette user page.

and brewing up a hoohaw all over the place, here;

• Caspian blue contributions page

And recently brewed up a similar preemptive stitch up on another (non-Japanese) user that dared question them over their Korean issues and MO, User:Sennen_goroshi, here; Caspian blue: Administrators noticeboard on User:Sennen_goroshi

Caspian's now tame admin, being a good boy scout, removes the post about them from Rlevse's talk page, here; Rlevse's talk page deletion.

These patterns, the persistent act on me, the premptitive attack on Sennen Goroshi who was just previous discussing putting in an RfC on Caspian blue's behaviour, the admin lobbying, the removal of critical posts ... even when they are none of their business are all patterns that I have been observing over a period of a year or more.

There are a few admins who are more than willing to engage in supporting such behavior, Lukas Pietsch at Hamburg University (Future Perfect at Sunrise) being the most obvious. Boy, that guy is a bit of a book burner - probably a crime in Germany to joke but I will evidence why for his "punitive" deletions.

Moderator's note: The original content of this post was edited because indeed, it is a crime in Germany to joke.

This post has been edited by Somey: Sun 7th December 2008, 7:36pm

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

This become more interesting ...

Checking back to Randy Lee Everettes talk page, not just the post has been deleting but its record from the history of the page has been deleted too.

I posted the message at;

• Message for Randy Lee Everette (talk) 09:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the history now, here;

• Revision history of User talk:Rlevse ... where is "Message for Randy Lee Everette (talk) 09:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)"

All mention of the post to Rlevse has disappeared, removed by the same admin, Ice Cold Beer that Caspian blue had engaged this time round. (NB, Caspian blue regularly burns out the patience and goodwill of admins).

The contribution is also deleted from the user, Message for Randy Lee Everette own contribution history. It is as if it never existed.

Caspian blue calls this "very offensive language", here; Ice Cold Beer (which of course will stay in the history) requesting that all history be removed. Now, honestly ... can anyone explain to me where the offensive language is?

Likewise, the record of the history of the User page and talk page with clear statement and intents are also erased.

The complete version, archived by webcitation is here; User:Message for Randy Lee Everette


This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 7th December 2008, 12:36pm

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

The User:Message for Randy Lee Everette pages then get moved to;

User:MFRLE by admin Nichalp further burying the evidence.

See, here; Message for Randy Lee Everette to MFRLE

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 7th December 2008, 2:49pm

[wikiwhistle]

As you use what looks like a real name, that is considered outing of personal information, so they can remove it from the history annd still be in accordance with their rules.

[Alex]

I don't know if Rlevse's name is "out", but I suggest this be tarpitted in case.

[Lar]

I don't know if Rlevse's name is "out", but I suggest this be tarpitted in case.

At least. Suggest also redacting names and suchlike. Rlevse does not wish personal information disclosed.

[Kelly Martin]

At least. Suggest also redacting names and suchlike. Rlevse does not wish personal information disclosed.

Sometimes you don't get what you wish for. Wikipedia isn't exactly coming from a position of moral superiority on such issues.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

I don't know if Rlevse's name is "out", but I suggest this be tarpitted in case.

Actually, he has disclosed it himself on the Wikipedia more than once. I can dig out the references/diffs if you wish. I would not and could not have done so if he had not. Ditto, all of the rest of the information. It is in the public domain and self-promoted by himself. By seeking position and publicity, and making personal claims, he has become a public figure and falls under the scrutiny of public interest.

Thank you for your comments. Sincerely. I would be the first to both respect others privacy and defend others privacy ... *IF* there was no question of abuse. If I was to, and wanted to "play dirty", it would take much less effort to do so. However, I am attempting to address some very serious matters.

• Where there are reasonable grounds to suggest that there are personal interests, or the likelihood of personal prejudices being at play e.g. a "dirty Jap slapping" background, to quote to old WWII propaganda (click link) ...
• *AND* there is a fairly clear misuse of admin powers ...
• *AND* there all sort of obstruction of respectful discussion going on ... then I am afraid time is overdue for open discussion.

When I first asked Rlevse about whether he had served in the US Military in the Asia-Pacific theatre, I had no idea what buttons I might have been pressing. It was a reasonable and innocent question, given his status and POV on the Japanese and Asian military prostitution related topics.

Personally, I think for a potential arbcom members, with all privileges, to have responded by acting to additionally block my account and incorporate another admin to do the cover up, are actions far beyond acceptable behavior. IMHO, if this was the real world and the Wikipedia a real, reputable and accountable institution, by now it would have a very serious ethical issue on its hands to deal with, not gang up against. I even asked Valinya (User:JoJo) (archived, here) to intercede because I thought it was just a matter of male egos blocking progress.

To continue to allow contentious editors such as Caspian blue to jockey his own (Rlevse's) talk page around and removing correspondence between others that was not addressed to them (Capsian blue), where again there are clearly strong elements of self-interest involved, that is not by any means acceptable either. To have a system where junior functionaries run around doing so is not good enough.

Please bear in mind that this whole escapade started when Randy Lee made false and multiple accusations about 'one user in Japan' being 'another editor in Canada making death threats' when his admin powers would have easily shown that was not possible. It was requested he remove the allegations. He refused or ignored to do so. A well reasoned letter was address to Jimbo Wales. It too was erased. Other equally fallacious allegations occurred ... what is one left to do?

What such individuals seem to want is for the "problem" as they see it to roll over, go away and die and not to be made to look at themselves or how their behavior impacts on others lives.

Randy Lee himself is reported to "operate a Web site ... exposing fakes" and posting individuals personal details "on his Internet Hall of Shame".
Archived, here; Medal of Honor Sleuth. The metal of his integrity will be proven by his, and their, response.

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 7th December 2008, 6:41pm

[Moulton]

The practice of publishing false and defamatory remarks that place an identifiable person in a bad light appears to be a recurring theme in the Wikisphere. Whether it's a BLP of someone who has never edited WP, or remarks about a current or former editor, or linking the screen name of a disgraced editor to other screen names, etc, the practice of scandalizing, demeaning, and scarlet lettering is ubiquitous in WikiCulture. Moreover, the lame and ill-advised efforts to regulate such mudslinging have largely exacerbated the problem, since blocking, banning, excoriating, templating, scarlet-lettering, and otherwise abusing characters in the mudslinging game is just as egregious a violation as publishing a false and defamatory mainspace BLP on a notable subject.

There are 21st Century standards for reporting information about identifiable subjects. These standards can be found, for example, in Journalistic Ethics which set forth best practices on publishing material about identifiable living persons.

For reasons unbeknownst to me, a sizable contingent of Wikimedians have eschewed such contemporary concepts of Mass Media Ethics in favor of a raucous and unbecoming tribal warfare culture that most of the civilized world abandoned three or four millenia ago.

This post has been edited by Moulton: Sun 7th December 2008, 6:39pm

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

There are 21st Century standards for reporting information about identifiable subjects. These standards can be found, for example, in Journalistic Ethics which set forth best practices

I agree entirely.

Funnily enough, the Wikipedia has a half-decent topic on the subject matter; here, of which "Reporting the truth is never libel" and the importance of accuracy" are present and correct.

• Wikipedia admins are collectively in the same positions as being editors of a published paper or magazine
  and should be responsible and accountable for what they are allowing published.
• Senior admins, such as Rlevse, are above that again.

Show me the channels of raising issues of responsibility and accountability that are not a complete and utter waste of time and energy ... any correct to be corrupted again a week after.

Until a system of qualified, editorial accountability over specialist areas emerges, its just a drunken, backstabbing, bar room brawl in which whoever can stand on the table is king ... for as long as they can hold their balance.

• Perhaps it is time they started to budgeting some of their millions on doing so?

Personally, I think it is the funders that we should be leaning on. I suspect that money is the only language listened too.

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 7th December 2008, 6:56pm

[Somey]

[b]Actually, he has disclosed it himself on the Wikipedia more than once. I can dig out the references/diffs if you wish. I would not and could not have done so if he had not.

Mr. Cock-up is correct; Mr. Everette has - commendably - revealed his own identity on WMF-owned sites, and that information is still carried there. At least one example is here:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Si...e_Crocodile.jpg

Note that this is a Siamese crocodile, not some run-of-the-mill, everyday, ordinary crocodile.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Mr. Cock-up is correct; Mr. Everette has - commendably - revealed his own identity on WMF-owned sites, and that information is still carried there.

Actually, elsewhere he very thoughtfully posted the exact path to his user account on his Windows home PC ...

Please note, I genuinely am being very patient and playing nice here. No reference at all to pictures of his family etc.

Personally, I am a pacifist. Military bravado sickens me. Especially when we all know that it generally ends rolling up at some Far Eastern R&R camptown for a few bucks a ride.

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 7th December 2008, 8:06pm

[Somey]

Let me just add that this is very close to being a clear conflict-of-interest case. Putting aside the fact that Rlevse (T-C-L-K-R-D) runs a website that exposes fraudulent claims by various individuals of having been US POW's or having received various US military honors - again, a commendable endeavor, irrespective of tactics - his user page has always stated that his wife JoJo (T-C-L-K-R-D) is a native of Thailand. If we assume that his claimed age cohort (mid-40's) is the same as hers, then it's more than likely that she had parents who were negatively affected (to say the least!) by the Japanese invasion of Thailand, which took place a day after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. This could easily explain his anti-Japanese POV, and might just as easily be grounds for recusing himself from administrative activity in that topic area, something he clearly has not done.

And let's not forget, Rlevse was at the very center of the controversy over the "Spanking Art Wikia" a while ago, having taken and uploaded the notorious "Boy Scouts Are For Spanking" photograph on Wikimedia Commons. That photo has since been deleted, but some of his Boy Scout photos are still to be found, with tags noting that the subjects are not identified. Given that their parents may not be aware of this, it's potentially a very serious problem. Here's one:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:ScoutFun.png

And apropos of nothing other than our general moral outrage over this sort of thing, some "Spanking Art" images (not Rlevse's, though) can - as of the time of this writing - still be found on Wikia, such as this one:

http://images.wikia.com/spankingart/images/d/d4/Park.jpg

[Kelly Martin]

Sounds like exactly the sort of person who should be sitting in judgment over others! Put that boy on the ArbCom forthwith!

I imagine we'll be seeing the oversighting any moment now, since, as Lar tells us, Rlevse doesn't want personal information disclosed. Even if it's Rlevse that's disclosing it.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Let me just add that this is very close to being a clear conflict-of-interest case. Putting aside the fact that Rlevse (T-C-L-K-R-D) runs a website that exposes fraudulent claims by various individuals of having been US POW's or having received various US military honors, his user page has always stated that his wife JoJo (T-C-L-K-R-D) is a native of Thailand. If we assume that his claimed age cohort (mid-40's) is the same as hers, then it's more than likely that she had parents who were negatively affected (to say the least!) by the Japanese invasion of Thailand, which took place a day after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.

Thank you very much. I believe that could be absolutely true. Which is why this calls for a disclosure and his actions reviewed by independent parties. That he sought to cover it up removing such a line of questioning and involving others, discredits him from any position in my opinion.

Personally though, I was thinking equally about the US Military's co-option of the whole comfort women, military prostitution affair after WWII and during Korea and Vietnam ... its part in the process of its increase to industrial scale from Japan in 45/46 to Korea, Vietnam and Thailand through the 60s, 70s and late 80s.

The degree of prostitution observed in Thailand today is a direct consequence of the US military, the 60th and 70th "recreation centers" etc. By 1964, after the United States established seven bases in the country and the number of prostitutes had skyrocketed to 400,000. Its easy to see, as with the Korean allies such as Caspian blue/Appletrees and other sympathizers, Showa Japan and the crimes of the past are a convenient scapegoat and distraction from their own nations more contemporary ones.

And I have to believe any relative coming back to a military family from Okinawa and The Fall of Shuri (claimed the largest sea-land-air battle in history) is hardly going to be singing the Emperor's praises and it is fair to question Everette's own integrity on the matter.

I imagine we'll be seeing the oversighting any moment now, since, as Lar tells us, Rlevse doesn't want personal information disclosed. Even if it's Rlevse that's disclosing it.

Ah ... yes, that is what has been happening. I did not know what the word meant but the topic page is, Wikipedia:OVERSIGHT

But I did not breach any policy which are listed as;

Removal of non-public personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces or identities of pseudonymous or anonymous individuals who have not made their identity public.
Removal of potentially libelous information nor
Copyrighted information.

Everything was public domain, stated by himself, and the photos were thoughtfully publish with Creative Commons licenses.

The issue is about ethics and cover up of gaming by senior admins with a potential conflict of interest.

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 7th December 2008, 8:50pm

[Milton Roe]

Personally though, I was thinking equally about the US Military's co-option of the whole comfort women, military prostitution affair after WWII and during Korea and Vietnam ... its part in the process of its increase to industrial scale from Japan in 45/46 to Korea, Vietnam and Thailand through the 60s, 70s and late 80s.

The degree of prostitution observed in Thailand today is a direct consequence of the US military, the 60th and 70th "recreation centers" etc. By 1964, after the United States established seven bases in the country and the number of prostitutes had skyrocketed to 400,000. Its easy to see, as with the Korean allies and Showa Japan, and the crimes of the past are a convenient scapegoat and distraction from their own later ones.

Could you explain the issue, here? Knowing the sort of rape-murder the Japanese committed in Nanking, compared with the rape-slavery which accompanied the Comfort Women thing, compared with "ordinary prostitution" as practised in Thailand and many other countries (all other countries) in the world today, I'm not even sure it's fair to pretend these all go as points on any kind of "scale." Any more than chattle-slavery deserves being on the same scale as wage-employment (unless you're a Marxist, in which case you can hardly see the difference).

[Kato]

Sounds like exactly the sort of person who should be sitting in judgment over others! Put that boy on the ArbCom forthwith!

I imagine we'll be seeing the oversighting any moment now, since, as Lar tells us, Rlevse doesn't want personal information disclosed. Even if it's Rlevse that's disclosing it.

It was Rlevse who wrote, somewhat ridiculously:

The problem with outing is that it can has led to harassment and even death of users. This is SERIOUS business. Stalkers of wiki users have been jailed too.

He later backtracked on these claims. Rlevse reminds me of the spoof Wikipedo, the Wiki-defender.

http://wikidefender.blogspot.com/

[Piperdown]

somewhere in this rlevse's 2008 editing history is a weird "stop harassing me" repsonse to a Judd query for clarification on a talk page.

this is pretty much the WP party line used against judd when he points out, whether it's a talk page edit, or off-WP, or (assumably in this case) via email, something that contradicts a falsehood put forth by an odd cadre of wikipedians.

when judd politely (i haven't ever seen him do something otherwise) points out contradicting facts against something that WP is purporting, and WP and its editors have no valid response to address the contradiction, the pushback against Judd is that he is "harassing".

it was weird in that the "harrassment" claim from this arb clerk (rlevse) were out of nowhere.

But then again so were several other judd-utah-ostock related claims of harassment by gerard, hu12, slim, etc.

False "Harrassment" claims are the #1 weapon of choice of the Worst Prevaricating Dissemblers on the WP Admin/Arb/Staff totem pole, and Rlevse is right up there, browned nose and all, vying for.....wikipower. Lol.

This post has been edited by Piperdown: Sun 7th December 2008, 10:36pm

[EricBarbour]

In which case, between that and his involvement in the spanking wiki,
he deserves to have his own subforum in the Notable Editors section.