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| The Joy |
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Well, the Giano Wars continue.
Giano (T-C-L-K-R-D) was blocked under the ArbCom-placed civility parole for insulting Theresa Knott (T-C-L-K-R-D) . Giano comes back as an IP to say hello to Bishonen (T-C-L-K-R-D) . Charles Matthews (T-C-L-K-R-D) reblocks Giano for evading a block. Moreschi (T-C-L-K-R-D) unblocks the block with the backing of several administrators. FT2 (T-C-L-K-R-D) blocks Moreschi and Giano. Now its likely Moreschi may lose his sysop bit for his act of rebellion. Many administrators now hate FT2 and Charles Matthews, but the Community is still heavily divided. Sigh. And the tragedy continues. ![]() QUOTE I told you this would only end in tears... |
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| everyking |
Thu 18th December 2008, 10:43am
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Given Scott's stated commitment to cutting out the drama and focusing on encyclopedia writing, I thought I would check to see what sort of articles he'd been writing recently:
Unfortunately, he's got no article contributions in his last 50 edits, except for his nomination of the David Gerard article for deletion (drama!). His last 50 edits overwhelmingly involve scolding and lecturing other editors for disagreeing with him about arbitration issues (drama!). Well, maybe that's just a fluke; how about the previous 50? Eight out of those 50 are article edits, although none of those appear to be substantial edits. |
| Doc glasgow |
Thu 18th December 2008, 6:38pm
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Given Scott's stated commitment to cutting out the drama and focusing on encyclopedia writing, I thought I would check to see what sort of articles he'd been writing recently: Unfortunately, he's got no article contributions in his last 50 edits, except for his nomination of the David Gerard article for deletion (drama!). His last 50 edits overwhelmingly involve scolding and lecturing other editors for disagreeing with him about arbitration issues (drama!). Well, maybe that's just a fluke; how about the previous 50? Eight out of those 50 are article edits, although none of those appear to be substantial edits. Wow. I pull you up for your repeated and unmerited presumption that the "community" agrees with you, and because you have no answer you attack the messenger. I am what I am, but that does not make you the voice of the community, nor even of those who do write the encyclopedia. Am I happy with the election results? I have no idea. However, I certainly accept them, and I promise that in 11 months I will not be claiming that I, and not those elected, am the authentic voice of the community. |
| Milton Roe |
Thu 18th December 2008, 7:02pm
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Am I happy with the election results? I have no idea. However, I certainly accept them, and I promise that in 11 months I will not be claiming that I, and not those elected, am the authentic voice of the community. Good for you. But without a decent democratic election with registered voters and a reasonable campaign to see that everybody is informed, it would silly for anybody to claim that a wikipedia "election" was the "voice of the community." Of course, we didn't (couldn't) have really good instruments in place in the last arb election to prevent double voting, because we rely on checkuser to catch seasoned socks. Few people have that, so it's not effective. You think every voter was checkusered? Even checkuser isn't nearly as good as a personal ID (which you need in a real election). And there's so much squeeling from some people when checkusers check people without "probable cause" that you'd think it was comparable to breaking down your home door and going through your underwear (sock?) drawer. See SlimVirgin's complaining on Wiki-en-L last July about Lar's check of Wikitumnus and Crum375. This has a chilling effect. In addition, may I remind you that most normal methods in democratic elections are banned on WP? I saw daily tags on the top of my screen asking for donations to WMF during the arb election, but for a general election which the "community" was supposed to be making, I saw nothing to point me to a vote-in-progress. Did I miss it? A decent tag-box would show up every day and contain a link taking you straight to the voting site, with a short explanation on how to vote. Instead, voting was made nearly as difficult as possible. Even if you made it to many pages about the election, you had to realize that the phrase "voting is now open" contained an Easter-egg link in the word "voting" to get you to the polling place. That feature was either designed by a programmer-nerd (the kind we keep in back and don't let speak to the customers), or else it was a deliberate attempt to screen voters. Which is fine if you admit to it, but don't use the word "community." And finally, no election is an election if active general campaigning is outlawed. What that does, is hand campaigns over to people who have backchannel networks which aren't open to public view, and Wikipedia contains plenty of those. But that's not the "community" unless by "community" you mean the bunch of insiders who figure they control (and should control) the administration machinery of Wikipedia. It doesn't represent anything close to the community of presently-active registered editors. |
| CrazyGameOfPoker |
Thu 18th December 2008, 8:16pm
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In addition, may I remind you that most normal methods in democratic elections are banned on WP? I saw daily tags on the top of my screen asking for donations to WMF during the arb election, but for a general election which the "community" was supposed to be making, I saw nothing to point me to a vote-in-progress. Did I miss it? A decent tag-box would show up every day and contain a link taking you straight to the voting site, with a short explanation on how to vote. Er, yes. |
The Joy Giano Wars: Revenge of the ArbCom Tue 16th December 2008, 10:00pm
One The unblock message was "Petty block based on... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:05pm
Proabivouac Giano, Peter Damian, ScienceApologist, SlimVirgin,... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:25pm
Kato
Giano, Peter Damian, ScienceApologist, SlimVirgin... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:56pm
Peter Damian
Recently, I advised Giano to take the red pill an... Wed 17th December 2008, 11:48pm
cyofee Now why does Wikipedia seem to look more and more ... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:13pm
Derktar So who's going to be bold enough now to unbloc... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:23pm
Milton Roe
Now why does Wikipedia seem to look more and more... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:56pm
wikiwhistle This earlier thread on WP:ANI amused me.
"Oh... Tue 16th December 2008, 10:25pm
Obesity
"I'm sick to death of Giano threads, I... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:52am
Doc glasgow
"I'm sick to death of Giano threads, I... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:54am

Newyorkbrad
I think it is make your mind up time for arbcom, ... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:58am


Doc glasgow
I think it is make your mind up time for arbcom,... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:02am



Kato
[quote name='Newyorkbrad' post='147415' date='Wed... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:07am




Newyorkbrad
I think you'll find it is the Jimbo model tha... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:15am





Hipocrite
I think you'll find it is the Jimbo model th... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:21am






Somey What would be more meaningful is if the ArbCom was... Wed 17th December 2008, 8:43am






Hipocrite
Overall I'd say this is mostly hyperbole... ... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:02pm





Kato
I think you'll find it is the Jimbo model th... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:23am




InkBlot
[quote name='Doc glasgow' post='147418' date='Wed... Wed 17th December 2008, 5:07am




Kelly Martin I really think ArbCom would be best off vacating a... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:30pm




InkBlot
I really think ArbCom would be best off vacating ... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:24pm




taiwopanfob This really needs to be stamped on FT2's monit... Thu 18th December 2008, 12:34am




Milton Roe
This really needs to be stamped on FT2's moni... Thu 18th December 2008, 2:22am




Kelly Martin I'd certainly support a motion which forbade a... Thu 18th December 2008, 2:50am



sarcasticidealist Nope, the brad model /caused/ today's proceedi... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:08am



JoseClutch
He withdrew before I got to his candidacy, but th... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:24pm



sarcasticidealist Judging by the state of his candidacy, the communi... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:32pm


The Adversary
I think it is make your mind up time for arbcom,... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:03am

Floydsvoid
they can ditch the brad model as failed and get s... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:06am
EricBarbour
[quote name='wikiwhistle' post='147373' date='Tue... Wed 17th December 2008, 8:02am
CrazyGameOfPoker The farce is strong with this one Tue 16th December 2008, 10:49pm
EricBarbour
Many administrators now hate FT2 and Charles Matt... Tue 16th December 2008, 11:01pm
Alex It's time for ArbCom to be abolished. I intend... Tue 16th December 2008, 11:07pm
Pumpkin Muffins
It's time for ArbCom to be abolished. I inten... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:11am
sarcasticidealist we're big enough to look after ourselves witho... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:22am
Alex
we're big enough to look after ourselves with... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:25am
sarcasticidealist Not really, but most disputes are solved by the co... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:14am
Alex
Not really, but most disputes are solved by the c... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:25am

sarcasticidealist It's not patently false. Every single AN/I thr... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:04am
GlassBeadGame
Not really, but most disputes are solved by the c... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:30am
Newyorkbrad
Of course if you use multiple tildes to sign a po... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:32am
everyking We need the new arbitrators to assume their duties... Tue 16th December 2008, 11:07pm
Viridae
It's time for ArbCom to be abolished. I inten... Tue 16th December 2008, 11:09pm
The Joy Can someone explain where all this anti-ArbCom ani... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:32am
Alex
Can someone explain where all this anti-ArbCom an... Wed 17th December 2008, 12:38am
Kato There are not enough "uninvolved parties... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:21am
Kato We should create a game. Where we follow the names... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:43am
Doc glasgow
We should create a game. Where we follow the name... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:49am

Kato
[quote name='Kato' post='147407' date='Wed 17th D... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:56am


Kato
[quote name='Doc glasgow' post='147409' date='Wed... Thu 18th December 2008, 8:42am

Pumpkin Muffins Ha, well yes. Although Tony's really pretty go... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:39am

Doc glasgow
Ha, well yes. Although Tony's really pretty g... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:48am

SirFozzie
[quote name='Pumpkin Muffins' post='147434' date=... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:50am

The Joy
[quote name='Pumpkin Muffins' post='147434' date=... Wed 17th December 2008, 3:20am


Alex
[quote name='Pumpkin Muffins' post='147434' date... Wed 17th December 2008, 3:27am

Pumpkin Muffins
[quote name='Pumpkin Muffins' post='147434' date=... Wed 17th December 2008, 5:23am

everyking
Doc, I see you're in denial. Don't confus... Wed 17th December 2008, 5:37am

sarcasticidealist Maybe he'll come around to commenting on curre... Wed 17th December 2008, 6:15am


Newyorkbrad
Maybe he'll come around to commenting on curr... Wed 17th December 2008, 6:18am


everyking
Maybe he'll come around to commenting on curr... Wed 17th December 2008, 6:18am


Kato
I don't claim to fully understand his positio... Wed 17th December 2008, 7:41am

Doc glasgow
Doc's "ArbCom is always right" stan... Thu 18th December 2008, 2:59am

Kelly Martin They were wrong on hounding Tony and Kelly off wik... Thu 18th December 2008, 3:01am

everyking
Doc's "ArbCom is always right" sta... Thu 18th December 2008, 8:27am

Doc glasgow
[quote name='Doc glasgow' post='147683' date='Thu... Thu 18th December 2008, 9:16am

everyking
You have me wrong again - because you wrongly pre... Thu 18th December 2008, 10:05am
dtobias I think it's time to update Kato's list...... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:05pm
Viridae
[quote name='Kato' post='147407' date='Wed 17th D... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:53am
Alex
Scott macdonold is you? Thats useful to know.
I... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:02am
The Adversary Both Slimmy and MONGO have commented on the case ... Wed 17th December 2008, 1:56am
Moulton Can I be part of Dumbledore's Army?
I wanna p... Wed 17th December 2008, 2:02am
Viridae Tony Troll has commented on the arb request btw. Wed 17th December 2008, 10:57am
Viridae
Doc's "ArbCom is always right" sta... Thu 18th December 2008, 7:55am

CrazyGameOfPoker
In addition, may I remind you that most normal me... Thu 18th December 2008, 8:16pm

Milton Roe
In addition, may I remind you that most normal m... Thu 18th December 2008, 8:56pm

Kelly Martin But even the notice of voting is STILL another Eas... Thu 18th December 2008, 9:07pm


Milton Roe
But even the notice of voting is STILL another Ea... Thu 18th December 2008, 9:16pm

dtobias
But even the notice of voting is STILL another Ea... Thu 18th December 2008, 11:22pm

Milton Roe
But even the notice of voting is STILL another E... Thu 18th December 2008, 11:44pm
everyking
[quote name='everyking' post='147761' date='Thu 1... Thu 18th December 2008, 7:03pm
Milton Roe
By the powers vested in me by the Wikipedia commu... Thu 18th December 2008, 7:07pm
Doc glasgow
By the powers vested in me by the Wikipedia commu... Thu 18th December 2008, 7:19pm
michael Wikichecker shows that Scott's last 500 edits ... Thu 18th December 2008, 5:36pm
The Joy Will the real voice of the Wikipedia Community ple... Thu 18th December 2008, 8:04pm
everyking
Will the real voice of the Wikipedia Community pl... Thu 18th December 2008, 8:14pm
Doc glasgow
Will the real voice of the Wikipedia Community p... Fri 19th December 2008, 12:50am
tarantino And Giano has left the building, again. I hope for... Fri 19th December 2008, 12:02am
everyking
And [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl... Fri 19th December 2008, 12:08am
Kelly Martin He'll be back. He loves the drama too much, a... Fri 19th December 2008, 12:30am
Pumpkin Muffins He'll be back. He loves the drama too much, a... Fri 19th December 2008, 1:05am
gomi You managed to create a fair amount drama in your ... Fri 19th December 2008, 1:56am
Pumpkin Muffins
[quote name='Pumpkin Muffins' post='147898' date=... Fri 19th December 2008, 2:11am
wikiwhistle Isn't this his second 'leaving' in a w... Fri 19th December 2008, 2:27am
Giano
Isn't this his second 'leaving' in a ... Fri 19th December 2008, 9:00am
Kato
[quote name='wikiwhistle' post='147909' date='Fri... Fri 19th December 2008, 9:14am
Doc glasgow
In the UK where I currently live "potty... Fri 19th December 2008, 9:14am![]() ![]() |
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