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> Simple English Wikipedia, 50 times smaller, but still more stupid
FurWissen2
post Wed 28th January 2009, 8:09am
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The Simple Wikipedia is about 50 times smaller than English Wikipedia, but the unprofessional behavior of the editors, the policies, and the way the policies are enforced are idiotic. Most editors there are Western European kids who have nothing to do. The Wikipedia lovers abound there, people who are extremely opposed to changes in Wikipedia, administrators who are hasty to use the tools when not completely informed about a situation, and people who are just immature.

The people there worship Wikipedia. Most of them hardly ever question policy, they instead blindly follow it as if it's dogma. The ones that frequently appear demonstrate their lack of seriousness and consideration for the real-life consequences of Wikipedia, by treating a collaborative website of its nature as a game, competitions like the WikiCup being obsessed over. Also see how the Simple Wikipedians are objecting so highly to flagged revisions, though they seem to provide no rational argument against it. They all just act like a bunch of inconsiderate children that have been indoctrinated into Wikipedia at a young age. I have nothing against children, though they should learn about the consequences of allowing Wikipedia biographies to remain so unmonitored, with such a small amount of regulation before they go spouting "All for the Wiki" propaganda. I was browsing the Christopher Columbus article and I saw something about him reaching Pelham, New York instead of India (when he actually came to a Bahamian island). It was there for three months. What if that was a biography being vandalized with plausible, but false, information?

I will continue...
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post Fri 6th February 2009, 9:00am
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Thu 5th February 2009, 4:35pm) *

QUOTE(Wikileaker @ Thu 5th February 2009, 4:19pm) *

QUOTE(Kennedy @ Thu 5th February 2009, 11:34am) *

I love this website! Always good for a laugh. Always good for reading a well formed debate. Although I must say I am impressed you can read Simple.Wikipedia from all the way up there on your high horses. Whats the weather like up there?

People in chocolate teapots shouldn't look gift horses on the hot tin roof... Try sorting out worse problems at en.wiki before criticising our project.

Between this incoherent post and your opposition to flagged revisions for BLPs, it's obvious that you're an intellectual child (and probably actual one too).

The "A young brain is good for the Wiki" on the top of his talkpage prior to his retirement, unretirement, retirement again and string of further contributions despite being "retired" is a bit of a giveaway, isn't it?

(editing to add)
So now he's running for Bureaucrat. Kennedy, your talkpage is kind of – er – special. I leave it up to you to decide in what sense of the word.


Thats fair. I did retire a few times, but I admit that I don't find editing en.wiki enjoyable for reasons on this thread. A bunch of people so convinced of their own authority that they come across as arrogant. I am trying to help Wikipedia, yet all you do is criticise when I put a retired notice on my page. Well done. Your debating skills are excellent. Can't argue my points, so you criticise me instead. Are you a politician by any chance?

Also, no, I am not a child, neither physically or mentally. And what are you implying by "special"? Thats not even funny.

I do look forward to your response, as I am sure you will find more incriminating diffs or links, instead of answering my points. Good luck!
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post Fri 6th February 2009, 7:52pm
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QUOTE(Kennedy @ Fri 6th February 2009, 9:00am) *

[blah blah blah I don't agree with you, sewiki is great]

I do look forward to your response, as I am sure you will find more incriminating diffs or links, instead of answering my points. Good luck!

All right then; give honest answers to these questions:
  1. What do you see the purpose of sewiki as? Do you agree with its mission statement that "to be useful for children, those learning English, those wanting to know basic information about a topic (not in depth), those who are partially literate in English, and those who have learning disabilities, and serve as a basis for translating articles to other Wikipedias"
  2. Do you think it meets these goals? If not, when do you think it will?
  3. Name any three articles that in sewiki's own terms of being easier to understand are more informative then their equivalents on en-wiki, or the equivalents on Citizendium where they exist.
  4. These three articles were the genuine (non cherry-picked) result of clicking Special:Random on sewiki three times; defend them: British Rail Class 306, 11554 Asios, England. (The last in particular is a fiasco on so many levels I don't know where to start.)
  5. You seem to say in your later posts here that the problems stem from a particular group of editors. If that's the case, why are they allowed to continue being disruptive; Lord knows en-wiki has problem editors, but generally people at least try to stop them. Why don't you?
  6. Do you think a project specifically aimed at children should be especially thorough in vetting those in positions of responsibility? If no, why not; if yes, do you think your procedures are robust enough?
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post Fri 6th February 2009, 8:01pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 6th February 2009, 7:52pm) *

England. (The last in particular is a fiasco on so many levels I don't know where to start.)

dizzy.gif My favourite line is "English culture - See English literature."

What ever happened to warm beer and cricket? wtf.gif
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 6th February 2009, 3:01pm) *

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 6th February 2009, 7:52pm) *

England. (The last in particular is a fiasco on so many levels I don't know where to start.)

dizzy.gif My favourite line is "English culture - See English literature."

What ever happened to warm beer and cricket? wtf.gif

Your talents are being wasted on the internet. In all seriousness, quit your day job.
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FürWissen2   Simple English Wikipedia   Wed 28th January 2009, 8:09am
FürWissen2   Another large problem is hypersensitivity. The mai...   Wed 28th January 2009, 8:30am
FürWissen2   Wikipedia gets youths engaged in the unethical pro...   Wed 28th January 2009, 9:20am
Moulton   I enjoyed your analysis, most of which is spot on ...   Wed 28th January 2009, 11:49am
Skinny87   I enjoyed your analysis, most of which is spot on...   Thu 29th January 2009, 11:33am
Giggy   Incidentally, the discussion on Simple linked to h...   Wed 28th January 2009, 1:13pm
The Wales Hunter   I agree with most of what has been said above, alt...   Wed 28th January 2009, 1:23pm
dtobias   The Wikipedia lovers abound there I don't s...   Wed 28th January 2009, 1:43pm
LaraLove   The Simple Wikipedia is about 50 times smaller th...   Wed 28th January 2009, 2:05pm
Giggy   I consider Simple to be comparable to New South W...   Wed 28th January 2009, 2:20pm
The Wales Hunter   Against my better judgement I took a peek over the...   Wed 28th January 2009, 2:28pm
LaraLove   notice how many are banned from EN! That...   Wed 28th January 2009, 5:28pm
The Wales Hunter   notice how many are banned from EN! That...   Wed 28th January 2009, 5:36pm
Kato   [quote name='LaraLove' post='153511' date='Wed 28...   Wed 28th January 2009, 5:37pm
The Wales Hunter   Yes. But the difference, as I see it, is that whil...   Wed 28th January 2009, 5:57pm
Somey   The thing about the Simple English Wikiipedia is t...   Thu 29th January 2009, 5:26am
Milton Roe   The thing about the Simple English Wikiipedia is ...   Thu 29th January 2009, 5:50am
michael   Simple is so ridiculously bureaucratic, I can...   Thu 29th January 2009, 6:16am
FürWissen2   To The Wales Hunter: I am not completely against c...   Thu 29th January 2009, 8:03am
Giggy   Sorry, but no. I will tell you by e-mail, if you...   Thu 29th January 2009, 11:33am
LaraLove   Simple is so ridiculously bureaucratic, I can...   Thu 29th January 2009, 1:19pm
Jaranda   Simple has so many issues, I agree with this post ...   Thu 29th January 2009, 3:37pm
Sylar   Simple has so many issues, I agree with this post...   Thu 29th January 2009, 11:24pm
The Wales Hunter   Anybody checked in over there lately? Lots of adm...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 3:07am
Milton Roe   Anybody checked in over there lately? Lots of ad...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 3:13am
GlassBeadGame   ...and there is a discussion about whether to cre...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 3:13am
tarantino   Edit: By my count, they have 11 active admin, one...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 4:30am
Bottled_Spider   There's [url=http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/ind...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 8:52am
Wikileaker   Anybody checked in over there lately? Lots of ad...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 4:54am
The Wales Hunter   Using Basic English on Simple English? Whatever ne...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 3:16am
Razorflame   Sorry, but I do not crave power and I am not a ...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 3:58am
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Alex   [quote name='Razorflame' post='154283' date='Tue ...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 1:31pm
The Wales Hunter   This whole thread is hilarious. Why all the whin...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 1:44pm
Bottled_Spider   [quote name='Bottled_Spider' post='154309' date='T...   Tue 3rd February 2009, 4:07pm
Razorflame   [quote name='Razorflame' post='154283' date='Tue...   Wed 4th February 2009, 1:13am
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michael   "Bottled Spider" - how about you go bac...   Wed 4th February 2009, 6:07am
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