Kelly Martin : Arbitrary Notions, Kelly releases Arbcom's "Deep dark secrets" Options

[dtobias]

XAL/Sophie is not connected to the same reality as the rest of us.

David Gerard, 07 Oct 2005

That has got to be the nicest thing DG has ever said about anyone.

So which reality are you in?

[Jon Awbrey]

XAL/Sophie is not connected to the same reality as the rest of us.

David Gerard, 07 Oct 2005

That has got to be the nicest thing DG has ever said about anyone.

So which reality are you in?

Why, The Real One™, Of Course.

Ja Ja

[InkBlot]

For followers on the inside play, the comments by Gerard and Raul about Bishonen back in 2005 indicate the rift that ultimately exploded again this year - when Bishonen banned FT2, and eventually saw him having to resign, humiliated.

It was all to get back at David Gerard, and was another act in these tedious Giano wars.

People who supported Bishonen, thinking that the anti-FT2 stuff was a noble act of justice-fighting, were completely duped.

There's a lot of it about at the moment.

Lately, people were duped to attack FT2 who had become the mark, using Peter Damian's complaints as their cover. Gameplayers like Bishonen, Giano and SlimVirgin were all at it, and too many people - including Reviewers here - fell for it.

It is still going on now with the attacks on Lar, another mark who challenged the "wrong people" last year. Basically, we're watching a long drawn out Revenge Drama, orchestrated by the same old manipulators as always.

I don't see comments from Raul or Gerard about Bishonen...the last post I see is dated Oct8, the one after the haiku. Did the blog go private after that?

[Jon Awbrey]

I don't see comments from Raul or Gerard about Bishonen … the last post I see is dated Oct8, the one after the haiku. Did the blog go private after that?

No activity for a while. I begin to wonder if she got served.

Jon

[Kelly Martin]

Nah, just busy with other things.

[Cla68]

For followers of the inside play, the comments by Gerard and Raul about Bishonen back in 2005 indicate the rift that ultimately exploded again this year - when Bishonen banned FT2, and eventually saw him having to resign, humiliated.

It was all to get back at David Gerard, and was another act in these tedious Giano wars.

People who supported Bishonen, thinking that the anti-FT2 stuff was a noble act of justice-fighting, were completely duped.

There's a lot of it about at the moment.

Lately, people were duped to attack FT2 who had become the mark, using Peter Damian's complaints as their cover. Gameplayers like Bishonen, Giano and SlimVirgin were all at it, and too many people - including Reviewers here - fell for it.

It is still going on now with the attacks on Lar, another mark who challenged the "wrong people" last year. Basically, we're watching a long drawn out Revenge Drama, orchestrated by the same old manipulators as always.

I think there's a lot of truth in your assessment of what occurred with FT2 and is occurring with Lar.

[Kato]

For followers of the inside play, the comments by Gerard and Raul about Bishonen back in 2005 indicate the rift that ultimately exploded again this year - when Bishonen banned FT2, and eventually saw him having to resign, humiliated.

It was all to get back at David Gerard, and was another act in these tedious Giano wars.

People who supported Bishonen, thinking that the anti-FT2 stuff was a noble act of justice-fighting, were completely duped.

There's a lot of it about at the moment.

Lately, people were duped to attack FT2 who had become the mark, using Peter Damian's complaints as their cover. Gameplayers like Bishonen, Giano and SlimVirgin were all at it, and too many people - including Reviewers here - fell for it.

It is still going on now with the attacks on Lar, another mark who challenged the "wrong people" last year. Basically, we're watching a long drawn out Revenge Drama, orchestrated by the same old manipulators as always.

I think there's a lot of truth in your assessment of what occurred with FT2 and is occurring with Lar.

Peter Damian had been banging on about FT2 for a year, with little to show for his troubles. It was only when FT2 challenged the gameplayers that he started to slip. Likewise, Charles Matthews, Jehochman - trashed after dissing the wrong people. Now Lar.

It is like watching Godfather II.

[Cla68]

For followers of the inside play, the comments by Gerard and Raul about Bishonen back in 2005 indicate the rift that ultimately exploded again this year - when Bishonen banned FT2, and eventually saw him having to resign, humiliated.

It was all to get back at David Gerard, and was another act in these tedious Giano wars.

People who supported Bishonen, thinking that the anti-FT2 stuff was a noble act of justice-fighting, were completely duped.

There's a lot of it about at the moment.

Lately, people were duped to attack FT2 who had become the mark, using Peter Damian's complaints as their cover. Gameplayers like Bishonen, Giano and SlimVirgin were all at it, and too many people - including Reviewers here - fell for it.

It is still going on now with the attacks on Lar, another mark who challenged the "wrong people" last year. Basically, we're watching a long drawn out Revenge Drama, orchestrated by the same old manipulators as always.

I think there's a lot of truth in your assessment of what occurred with FT2 and is occurring with Lar.

Peter Damian had been banging on about FT2 for a year, with little to show for his troubles. It was only when FT2 challenged the gameplayers that he started to slip. Likewise, Charles Matthews, Jehochman - trashed after dissing the wrong people. Now Lar.

It is like watching Godfather II.

Here's the thing about it all. I'm fairly certain that volunteers like FT2 and Lar were/are not seeking positions of authority in Wikipedia in order to push POV. FT2 may have made a couple of POV edits to some article awhile ago, but he didn't appear to be trying to become an arbitrator to control any particular subject area (I'll leave his treatment of Peter Damien as a separate issue). Lar also genuinely appears to want to participate in high-level administrative work because he genuinely enjoys it and believes that he can be effective at it, not because he has any kind of nefarious agenda or has a narcissistic personality disorder screaming for gratification.

So, when two editors like FT2 and Lar get attacked and hectored by other power brokers in Wikipedia, I think it's a cause for concern if you want Wikipedia to succeed. I don't think that Giano has an agenda to control any content or reinforce his ego, but some of the other editors who have been allied with him lately apparently do.

[wikiwhistle]

It is still going on now with the attacks on Lar, another mark who challenged the "wrong people" last year. Basically, we're watching a long drawn out Revenge Drama, orchestrated by the same old manipulators as always.

Couldn't it just be that sometimes people do some things wrong, rather than them having challenged the 'wrong people'? I for instance haven't been challenged myself (unless it's challenged by sleaze and nastiness) and don't have anything for which I need to get revenge on the Lar front. Or are some people flawless in your eyes? I partly agree about FT2, though.

This post has been edited by wikiwhistle: Wed 11th February 2009, 10:07am

[Random832]

It is still going on now with the attacks on Lar, another mark who challenged the "wrong people" last year. Basically, we're watching a long drawn out Revenge Drama, orchestrated by the same old manipulators as always.

Couldn't it just be that sometimes people do some things wrong, rather than them having challenged the 'wrong people'? I for instance haven't been challenged myself (unless it's challenged by sleaze and nastiness)

No, but it's possible you're being manipulated by those who have set themselves up as his enemies.

Anyway, are you ready to either put your name on a specific accusation against Lar or clarify that you do not mean any such thing? What you're doing right now is kind of sleazy itself.

This post has been edited by Random832: Wed 11th February 2009, 1:50pm

[tarantino]

No, but it's possible you're being manipulated by those who have set themselves up as his enemies.

I wonder who has been manipulating Pedro?

[Cla68]

No, but it's possible you're being manipulated by those who have set themselves up as his enemies.

I wonder who has been manipulating Pedro?

Note that when he admits that he reads Wikipedia Review that he quickly adds that when he does he struggles to find anything good here among all the garbage? Perhaps he was ensuring that he stays politically correct with a certain group of Wikipedians. Is there a Sellout Barnstar that someone could award him that says something like, "For proving you are a true tool of the Wiki-cult."

[UseOnceAndDestroy]

Per request, thread on scale of WP "success" split to here.]

[JoseClutch]

No, but it's possible you're being manipulated by those who have set themselves up as his enemies.

I wonder who has been manipulating Pedro?

Note that when he admits that he reads Wikipedia Review that he quickly adds that when he does he struggles to find anything good here among all the garbage? Perhaps he was ensuring that he stays politically correct with a certain group of Wikipedians. Is there a Sellout Barnstar that someone could award him that says something like, "For proving you are a true tool of the Wiki-cult."

I struggle to find anything good in here among the garbage. But I keep struggling. Maybe it is like living in Canberra and getting all your news from the New York Times, maybe there is somebody finds it all interesting, and it just does not cater to your interestes. But maybe it is like trying to see the Big Bang by setting your TV to channel 1 - you know the signal is there, you are just not sure how to extract it from the noise.

[Jon Awbrey]

I struggle to find anything good in here among the garbage. But I keep struggling. Maybe it is like living in Canberra and getting all your news from the New York Times, maybe there is somebody finds it all interesting, and it just does not cater to your interestes. But maybe it is like trying to see the Big Bang by setting your TV to channel 1 — you know the signal is there, you are just not sure how to extract it from the noise.

I think you and a lot of folks are missing the point.

The very existence of Closed Opaque Wikiprocedures (WP:COWs) and other ∗-Court Chambers puts the lie to Wikipediot claims of Openness and Transparency.

Jon

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[LaraLove]

No, but it's possible you're being manipulated by those who have set themselves up as his enemies.

I wonder who has been manipulating Pedro?

Wow. Pedro is becoming increasingly uncivil and unapproachable. That is how I found myself commenting in situations. I recommended he take a break as I was going out. I now hope he reads this, a stronger recommendation for him to take a break. Better to take some time away from the project, making comments off-wiki, than to spend your reputation points on petty comments and insults.

Also, why do people always bring up the Nazis?

[JoseClutch]

No, but it's possible you're being manipulated by those who have set themselves up as his enemies.

I wonder who has been manipulating Pedro?

Wow. Pedro is becoming increasingly uncivil and unapproachable. That is how I found myself commenting in situations. I recommended he take a break as I was going out. I now hope he reads this, a stronger recommendation for him to take a break. Better to take some time away from the project, making comments off-wiki, than to spend your reputation points on petty comments and insults.

Also, why do people always bring up the Nazis?

It is a good thing you are not under a Everyking-esque restriction on familiarizing yourself with circumstanes before commenting.

[LaraLove]

It is a good thing you are not under a Everyking-esque restriction on familiarizing yourself with circumstanes before commenting.

Oh, good! \o/

[Milton Roe]

Also, why do people always bring up the Nazis?

Godwin's Law

[LaraLove]

Also, why do people always bring up the Nazis?

Godwin's Law

Yes, yes, I know. But it doesn't explain why!