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> New Israel/Palestine ArbCom case, Jayjg is one of the parties? No way!
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Cla68
post Fri 27th February 2009, 1:35am
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It appears that this request for arbitration concerning the use of POV geographical terms for disputed territory in the Israel/Palestine area will be accepted. If G-Dett's statement is correct, and I believe that it is, I think she'll be making a strong case in her evidence section that at least some of the pro-Israel POV-pushers are acting in bad faith. It appears to me that the pro-Israel editors will try to focus on labeling MeteorMaker as the Bozo.

If G-Dett makes her case, and I believe she will, I hope that ArbCom will put their foot down and hand out some topic bans, if not more severe sanctions if necessary. Although I'm sure that not all of the pro-Palestinian editors are blameless, the continuous, arrogant POV pushing by the pro-Israel editors, including one in particular who is still enjoys high-level admin privileges for some reason, is greatly damaging to Wikipedia's credibility and I hope something finally gets done about it.
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post Mon 27th April 2009, 10:52pm
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Well, I see that no one has mentioned one of the most farcical "cases" involving Jayjg.

The gist of it is that Jayjg and co (the now defrocked FeloniousMonk) were out to ban this editor (PalestineRemembered). Now PalestineRemembered (PR), being new, hasn't quite got the tricks to editing Wikipedia. He makes long polemical rants on talk pages instead of sticking to making biased edits to articles like Jayjg and co, and FeloniousMonk manages to conjure up some excuses to block him for a month (first block) and two months (second block). PR returns for his welcome-blocks and makes a mistake in citing sources where he reads a book which cites a primary source and inserts material into an article citing the book's source instead of citing the book itself (incidentally something which Alan Dershowitz did as well; see the "Dershowitz-Finkelstein affair"; and in which, curiously, Jayjg was involved in defending Dershowitz's side in the article)

Now Jayjg shows up and runs a google search on the source and it turns up in a holocaust denial web site. Jayjg, being the master of deduction and logic that he is, decides that PR's source is actually the holocaust denial web site and then, without questioning PR, bans him. When PR is questioning he admits his mistake in citing sources and produces the book where he got his material from. Somewhere between the block and someone talking to PR, an arbcom case is started, and the circus begins.

Now, its obvious that when the arbcom accepted the case they expected to be rubber stamping Jayjg; when it turned out that he might be wrong, most of them ran for the hills (similar to what happened with the Cla68 case). SlimVirgin and the usual gang suit up to defend Jayjg and turn the workshop into a meandering mess; there's a nice little conversation between SlimVirgin and 6SJ7 about how PR could still be a holocaust denier and how he could still be a visitor to the holocaust denial website, they just don't know; there's a nice little insinuation by SlimVirgin (who obviously hasn't read the book) that PR got his material from the holocaust denial web site because of some verbiage that appears in the website but not in the book (execept, ooops.... it's pointed out later by someone who has read the book that that verbiage does appear in the book). Basically the usual misdirection, false accusations, innuendo, and clouding the issue that these guys are so good at.

Most of the arbs have, of course, by this time, disappeared. There is a motion to dismiss (also strangely reminiscent of the Cla68 case), since obviously the case can only be about PR's wrongdoing and not Jayjg's. Jpgordan shows up to tell PR to basically suck it up and the whole thing disappears with basically no apology from Jayjg.

Interestingly, a couple of months later, PR is back on ANI (he still hasn't quite gotten the trick of editing wikipedia properly), and who shows up wanting to "mentor" PR....? Yes, User:Avi. The same user Avi who, it would later turn out, was in Jayjg's little gang of back watchers. His little trick seems to be showing up to discussions and pretending to be uninvolved and neutral, and yet always somehow ending up supporting Jayjg's position. The same Avi who is still apparently watching Jayjg's back in the latest case without quite disclosing that he was on the same mailing list the Jayjg used to coordinate editing articles with like-minded editors.
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Cla68   New Israel/Palestine ArbCom case   Fri 27th February 2009, 1:35am
Herschelkrustofsky   Very interesting. Typically, Jayjg has not yet dei...   Fri 27th February 2009, 2:08am
Milton Roe   It appears that this request for arbitration conc...   Fri 27th February 2009, 2:45am
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='158695' date='Thu 26th ...   Fri 27th February 2009, 5:33am
Herschelkrustofsky   I doubt that anyone who edits Wikipedia is comple...   Sat 28th February 2009, 10:30pm
the fieryangel   I don't know why anybody bothers to even follo...   Sat 28th February 2009, 11:03pm
EricBarbour   I don't know why anybody bothers to even foll...   Thu 5th March 2009, 6:35am
Tarc   I don't know why anybody bothers to even foll...   Thu 5th March 2009, 3:18pm
gomi   Jayjg's M.O., which I believe he will use in t...   Fri 27th February 2009, 6:27am
Deacon   I look very much forward to seeing how this case p...   Sat 28th February 2009, 10:22pm
CharlotteWebb   I look very much forward to seeing how this case ...   Mon 2nd March 2009, 4:02pm
Deacon   I look very much forward to seeing how this case...   Tue 3rd March 2009, 5:15pm
Dzonatas   *me adds reply about the conflict of ArbCom case o...   Sun 1st March 2009, 2:55am
LamontStormstar   I remember people speculated Jayjg has now been so...   Mon 2nd March 2009, 2:53am
Dzonatas   I think it is hard to dismiss the fact that Israel...   Mon 2nd March 2009, 5:04am
Milton Roe   Those who are against the Likud movement choice o...   Mon 2nd March 2009, 7:00am
Dzonatas   Curious about whether or not within Israel, are t...   Mon 2nd March 2009, 9:23am
Dzonatas   From the Likud Party's charter: Most notably,...   Tue 3rd March 2009, 5:16pm
Cla68   Just as I thought would happen, G-Dett and others ...   Thu 5th March 2009, 2:48am
Proabivouac   I'd given this some thought over the past few ...   Thu 5th March 2009, 3:10am
gomi   I'd given this some thought over the past few ...   Thu 5th March 2009, 4:26pm
Cla68   Ouch. By the way, it looks like Jaakobou has been...   Thu 5th March 2009, 11:54pm
LamontStormstar   Jayjg did WTC. PS: This is not about any group, t...   Thu 5th March 2009, 6:41am
EricBarbour   Amazing, simply beyond belief. G-Dett must have ...   Fri 6th March 2009, 2:26am
It's the blimp, Frank   G-Dett must have some kind of supernatural Jew-pr...   Fri 6th March 2009, 5:17pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='159803' date='Fri...   Fri 6th March 2009, 5:52pm
Dzonatas   There is no evidence that any of these character...   Sat 7th March 2009, 4:33pm
Cla68   Jayjg has presented some evidence, responded to on...   Wed 11th March 2009, 12:53am
EuroSceptic   Jayjg has presented some evidence, responded to o...   Wed 11th March 2009, 2:48am
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='160667' date='Wed 11th ...   Wed 11th March 2009, 3:19am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='160667' date='Wed 11th...   Wed 11th March 2009, 3:31am
Tarc   And he's been [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/i...   Fri 6th March 2009, 8:15pm
Rhindle   G-dett appears to be a front runner for next year...   Fri 6th March 2009, 9:20pm
Doc glasgow   Wikipedia has a Zionist/Israeli bias controlled by...   Sat 7th March 2009, 11:57am
Herschelkrustofsky   Wikipedia has a Zionist/Israeli bias controlled b...   Sat 7th March 2009, 3:32pm
EricBarbour   That's typical Jay. He waits till the first st...   Wed 11th March 2009, 4:12am
Herschelkrustofsky   I couldn't help but think of Wikipedia today w...   Wed 11th March 2009, 8:57pm
Cla68   I couldn't help but think of Wikipedia today ...   Thu 12th March 2009, 12:19am
Herschelkrustofsky   I just [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t...   Fri 13th March 2009, 8:40pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='160856' date='Wed 11th ...   Fri 13th March 2009, 9:22pm
Milton Roe   I couldn't help but think of Wikipedia today ...   Thu 12th March 2009, 12:26am
Rhindle   This looks pretty damning.   Thu 12th March 2009, 3:37am
Cla68   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reque...   Thu 12th March 2009, 5:24am
Herschelkrustofsky   By the way, it lasted about [url=http://en.wikipe...   Thu 12th March 2009, 6:22am
Cla68   By the way, it lasted about [url=http://en.wikip...   Thu 12th March 2009, 6:48am
Lar   My question is, why didn't GHCool try to find...   Thu 12th March 2009, 10:55am
Cla68   My question is, why didn't GHCool try to fin...   Thu 12th March 2009, 11:15pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cla68' post='160902' date='Wed 11th...   Thu 12th March 2009, 11:32pm
Cla68   Why? Umm, if you don't want to do a thing, or ...   Thu 12th March 2009, 11:56pm
Herschelkrustofsky   IronDuke, who appears to be one of them, [url=htt...   Fri 13th March 2009, 12:15am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='161057' date='Thu ...   Fri 13th March 2009, 12:51am
Cla68   Sometimes non-POV editing is just about impossible...   Fri 13th March 2009, 1:41am
Mackan   That's good analysis. It may be petty, but ...   Fri 13th March 2009, 4:32am
Cla68   That's good analysis. It may be petty, but...   Fri 13th March 2009, 4:57am
Herschelkrustofsky   I think the Post took Freeman to task was because...   Fri 13th March 2009, 6:20am
Dzonatas   Consider how Freeman became appointed AND confirme...   Sat 14th March 2009, 2:27pm
Herschelkrustofsky   As for the neocons, Obama seems to have already r...   Sat 14th March 2009, 2:45pm
Dzonatas   There are striking parallels here to the [url=htt...   Sat 14th March 2009, 3:43pm
Milton Roe   Consider how Freeman became appointed AND confirm...   Sat 14th March 2009, 8:05pm
Dzonatas   Like they care about their "image" more...   Sat 14th March 2009, 10:31pm
Cla68   I suspect that the ArbCom may vote on topic bans f...   Mon 20th April 2009, 12:15am
gomi   I suspect that the ArbCom may vote on topic bans f...   Mon 20th April 2009, 1:13am
EricBarbour   Interesting. Brewcrewer, Canadian Monkey, ChrisO, ...   Tue 21st April 2009, 4:34am
Milton Roe   Interesting. Brewcrewer, Canadian Monkey, ChrisO,...   Wed 22nd April 2009, 1:54am
Cla68   I'm biased of course, but I believe that this ...   Mon 27th April 2009, 3:33am
The Adversary   I'm biased of course, but I believe that [url...   Mon 27th April 2009, 5:30am
Cla68   [quote name='Cla68' post='170473' date='Mon 27th ...   Mon 27th April 2009, 5:47am
KimvdLinde   I'm biased of course, but I believe that this...   Tue 28th April 2009, 12:15am
gomi   Good for Kirill Lokshin, finally calling Jayjg on ...   Tue 21st April 2009, 5:36am
Cla68   Good for Kirill Lokshin, finally calling Jayjg on...   Wed 22nd April 2009, 12:02am
Milton Roe   Those are strong words by Kirill. If being allow...   Mon 27th April 2009, 6:48am
EricBarbour   Is this 6SJ7 thing a sockpuppet, Jay's attor...   Mon 27th April 2009, 7:45am
Heat   Is this 6SJ7 thing a sockpuppet, Jay's atto...   Mon 27th April 2009, 1:46pm
tarantino   Is this 6SJ7 thing a sockpuppet, Jay's attorn...   Mon 27th April 2009, 11:52pm
gomi   Well, I see that no one has mentioned one of the ...   Mon 27th April 2009, 11:03pm
The Adversary   [quote name='trenton' post='170655' date='Mon 27t...   Tue 28th April 2009, 1:45am
KimvdLinde   Oh yes. And note that the person who got Palesti...   Wed 29th April 2009, 2:10am
Cla68   Jpgordan shows up to tell PR to basically suck it ...   Mon 27th April 2009, 11:42pm
Kato   Au contraire. I think that this: Wikipedia:Requ...   Mon 27th April 2009, 11:20pm
Herschelkrustofsky   [i]Au contraire. I think that this: Wikipedia:...   Wed 29th April 2009, 3:09pm
The Adversary   [quote name='Kato' post='170657' date='Mon 27th A...   Wed 29th April 2009, 3:17pm
Kato   Anyone remember "Alice in Wonderland";...   Wed 29th April 2009, 3:22pm
Kato   More comedy here from that old PalestineRemembered...   Wed 29th April 2009, 3:36pm
Lar   More comedy here from that old PalestineRemembere...   Wed 29th April 2009, 4:57pm
The Adversary   [quote name='Lar' post='170971' date='Wed 29th Apr...   Wed 29th April 2009, 6:33pm
The Joy   Shouldn't opposes have detailed rationales tha...   Mon 27th April 2009, 11:50pm
Cla68   Shouldn't opposes have detailed rationales th...   Mon 27th April 2009, 11:57pm
EricBarbour   Well, I hope that the next book written on Wikiped...   Tue 28th April 2009, 1:06am
Warui desu   Shouldn't opposes have detailed rationales th...   Tue 28th April 2009, 12:35am
Kato   The "evidence"* at this case is a riot. ...   Tue 28th April 2009, 10:42pm
Eva Destruction   "Giant egg"? Is that a personal attac...   Tue 28th April 2009, 10:51pm
Heat   An arb has noticed Jayjg's "lack of parti...   Thu 30th April 2009, 4:17pm
Milton Roe   An arb has noticed Jayjg's "lack of part...   Fri 1st May 2009, 3:21am
Heat   Voting has begun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki...   Sun 3rd May 2009, 3:38am
Herschelkrustofsky   The fickle finger of wiki power has put the writi...   Sun 3rd May 2009, 12:47pm
Herschelkrustofsky   I am concerned about the obligatory show of ...   Sun 3rd May 2009, 12:29pm
Cla68   I am concerned about the obligatory show of ...   Sun 3rd May 2009, 1:42pm
The Adversary   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='171574' da...   Sun 3rd May 2009, 2:50pm
Kato   Arbitrators need to be careful when they restrict ...   Sun 3rd May 2009, 3:03pm
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