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| Hipocrite |
Wed 25th March 2009, 1:50pm
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| Somey |
Thu 26th March 2009, 5:16pm
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Interesting case...
From what I can determine, UC Bill (T-C-L-K-R-D) hadn't really been involved in any serious "incivility" incidents until he entered into a dispute with Tony1 (T-C-L-K-R-D) on this Bugzilla ticket. The nastiness begins about halfway down, and to be frank, Tony1 actually starts it by referring to the idea of "normalizing" the appearance of auto-formatted dates as "hair brained" (i.e., not only does he not like the idea, he doesn't even know that the phrase is actually "hare-brained"). Tony1 doesn't like Date Autoformatting, and even has a section of his user page devoted to the subject (diff link). If I understand this correctly, his objection is that the automatic blue-links are "distracting" and that they "dilute" the impact of "high-value" links elsewhere in the articles in which they appear. UC Bill apparently wrote a MediaWiki patch that would... QUOTE ...cause linked dates to be rendered without the link, and in the same format as they appear in the wikicode (although it will add missing commas where appropriate) -- in other words, this patch completely nullifies date autoformatting. It is only intended for testing purposes, pending community approval of a proposal to temporarily disable date autoformatting to gauge editor response. In other words, UC Bill offered a technical compromise that completely addressed Tony1's stated concerns, and did not assume it would be adopted without a test/trial period.But Tony1 wasn't having it - this was when he responded on the Bugzilla page with the "hair brained" remark. UC Bill's compromise solution would have, essentially, threatened to put an end to Tony1's crusade to completely remove autoformatted dates from Wikipedia altogether. But interestingly, there was no further comment (or action on the ticket) for nearly a month after that. It was only when someone later asked if there had been any action on the ticket that things started to heat up. When Tony1 tried to export the dispute onto Wikipedia itself, UC Bill tried to stop him, calling it "wikistalking." Evidently, this experience soured things for UC Bill on Wikipedia to a considerable extent! ![]() The Nancy Cartwright business started here, but that was actually one of numerous edits he'd made that day that were related to an attempt to clean up the "Philosophers" category. He probably didn't think it would be such a big deal, meaning he'd probably never really dealt with fans of The Simpsons prior to this incident. Finally, just to clarify, UC Bill seems to be a MediaWiki developer, but not a WikiMedia (i.e., paid by WMF) Developer, i.e., his account does not have the "developer bit." Otherwise he would have been able to delete his user page himself, instead of having to threaten automated vandalism in order to get the page deleted. |
| Kato |
Thu 26th March 2009, 5:38pm
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Tony1 doesn't like Date Autoformatting, and even has a section of his user page devoted to the subject (diff link). If I understand this correctly, his objection is that the automatic blue-links are "distracting" and that they "dilute" the impact of "high-value" links elsewhere in the articles in which they appear. Linking all those dates is one of the most cringe worthy elements of Wikipedia articles. It is utterly pointless, and usually means me clicking on a link by mistake and coming to some unhelpful article about a Year - then having to go back to the article. |
Hipocrite UC Bill Gianoed Wed 25th March 2009, 1:50pm
Peter Damian This is excellent.
http://en.wikipedia.o... Wed 25th March 2009, 1:59pm
Peter Damian This is what caused it:
This man is a hero.
... Wed 25th March 2009, 2:12pm
Bottled_Spider This is what caused it:
This man is a hero.
Yes... Wed 25th March 2009, 2:24pm
Mike H The drama and lulz were very nice. And to be fair,... Wed 25th March 2009, 10:25pm
Milton Roe
User:UC_Bill has a short temper. He's also, I... Thu 26th March 2009, 1:07am
Cla68
User:UC_Bill has a short temper. He's also, I... Thu 26th March 2009, 2:05am
CharlotteWebb
If he's a developer, does that mean he's ... Thu 26th March 2009, 2:13am
EricBarbour Funny guy. Colbert should hire him. :sick:
Guys ... Thu 26th March 2009, 3:09am
Gandoman The admin who blocked him indef and blanked his us... Thu 26th March 2009, 7:48am
KamrynMatika This is a good example of what Kato was going on a... Thu 26th March 2009, 1:04pm
CharlotteWebb
Can you imagine a work colleague turning to you a... Thu 26th March 2009, 1:54pm
Peter Damian
This is a good example of what Kato was going on ... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:42pm
Kato
Can you imagine a work environment in which peopl... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:45pm
Peter Damian
Can you imagine a work environment in which peop... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:50pm
CharlotteWebb
Finally, just to clarify, UC Bill seems to be a M... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:32pm

Somey Only if he could sneak malicious code past one of ... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:36pm

CharlotteWebb
Are you saying there's a feature that prevent... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:49pm
Milton Roe
[quote name='Somey' post='163628' date='Thu 26th ... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:43pm
Jon Awbrey
Linking all those dates is one of the most cringe... Thu 26th March 2009, 5:56pm

Milton Roe
Linking all those dates is one of the most cring... Thu 26th March 2009, 6:03pm
Somey Linking all those dates is one of the most cringe ... Thu 26th March 2009, 6:12pm
Sarcasticidealist But often it seems like the only people on WP who ... Thu 26th March 2009, 6:14pm
CharlotteWebb
[Obviously I say this at the risk of having UC Bi... Thu 26th March 2009, 6:28pm
Malleus
It just struck me that UC Bill was suggesting a c... Thu 26th March 2009, 6:43pm

Kelly Martin The issue was only tangentially related to links, ... Tue 21st April 2009, 8:57pm
Bottled_Spider The drama and lulz were very nice. And to be fair,... Thu 26th March 2009, 7:12pm
UC_Bill
Obviously I say this at the risk of having UC Bil... Tue 21st April 2009, 8:02pm
Somey Nah, I usually only use language like that when it... Tue 21st April 2009, 8:34pm

UC_Bill
The date formatting issue seems more problematic ... Tue 21st April 2009, 10:02pm

Eva Destruction
My views on markup in general (and date markup in... Tue 21st April 2009, 10:12pm

UC_Bill
Is that not what [wp]Template:Wikify does? There... Tue 21st April 2009, 10:33pm
Kelly Martin It was the same situation with the date formatting... Tue 21st April 2009, 9:07pm
Cedric
I wish I'd found this site earlier, it would... Wed 22nd April 2009, 12:32am
Milton Roe
In any event, nothing ever came of that bit nonse... Wed 22nd April 2009, 12:42am
Apathetic He wanted to make an entirely unnecessary dab page... Thu 26th March 2009, 7:08pm
Milton Roe
He wanted to make an entirely unnecessary dab pag... Thu 26th March 2009, 8:38pm
gomi Welcome to WR, Mr. ... er ... UC Bill! You mi... Tue 21st April 2009, 8:13pm
UC_Bill
Welcome to WR, Mr. ... er ... UC Bill! You m... Tue 21st April 2009, 8:17pm
gomi Thanks! Weren't you supposed to hack my a... Tue 21st April 2009, 8:26pm
everyking Date linking is dumb, and it was a mistake all alo... Tue 21st April 2009, 9:04pm
UC_Bill
Date linking is dumb, and it was a mistake all al... Tue 21st April 2009, 9:53pm
Moulton My views on WP:CIVIL are that it should never be u... Tue 21st April 2009, 10:00pm
EricBarbour So novice editors could edit an article -- [i]any ... Tue 21st April 2009, 10:35pm
UC_Bill
And may I just add, I loved this exchange on your... Tue 21st April 2009, 10:47pm![]() ![]() |
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