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thekohser
post Mon 30th March 2009, 3:29am
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I grew up in Jackson, Michigan. I lived there until I was 12, and I've returned to visit perhaps 15 times in the nearly three decades since.

Jackson is not a major hub of Judaism the way you might think of a place like Cherry Hill, New Jersey, or North Miami Beach, Florida, or Rockville Centre, New York might be. Rather, most of the religious residents of Jackson are either Catholic or Lutheran (if you're white), or any of a set of other Protestant churches (if you're African-American).

But, Jayjg has swooped in to add what he apparently knows about to the Wikipedia article about Jackson:

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Jackson is home to [[Temple Beth Israel (Jackson, Michigan)|Temple Beth Israel]], a [[Reform Judaism|Reform]] [[synagogue]] founded in 1862 by [[History of the Jews in Germany|German Jews]].


That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to understand religion in Jackson, Michigan, Wikipedia will have you believing that it's pretty much a Jewish town, top to bottom.

Now, is this the way Wikipedia gets built? Is Jayjg doing the "proper thing" by adding this one fact, with the absence of any other facts about other religions in Jackson? Might I expect that other editors will be along shortly to describe the various other faith traditions that reside in Jackson?

(Point of fact... the Temple Beth Israel in Jackson is located on the SW corner of Michigan & West Avenues. My first piano lessons were conducted on the NW corner of the same intersection.)

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post Tue 31st March 2009, 7:00am
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I'd have to agree with the part about Jayjg not knowing where Greg is from originally - I myself thought he was from a small town in Pennsylvania. There's no reason to think that Jayjg was aware of Greg's connection with Jackson, MI...

Nevertheless, Jayjg should be desysopped immediately. That pretty much goes without saying.
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post Tue 31st March 2009, 7:12am
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 31st March 2009, 7:00am) *

Nevertheless, Jayjg should be desysopped immediately. That pretty much goes without saying.

That's the official opinion of the Review, no question. It may be that some people have legitimate grievances wth Jayjg. But taking a look at WR staff, of the time I've been here, at least three of five have had sockpuppets legitimately and accurately busted by Jayjg at one point or another. Not that I'd judge all these socks to be alike and equal in wrongdoing, and socking per se is no sin - for example, Greg's socks do nothing unethical - but isn't that a massive undisclosed conflict of interest?
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post Tue 31st March 2009, 9:17pm
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Tue 31st March 2009, 12:12am) *

But taking a look at WR staff, of the time I've been here, at least three of five have had sockpuppets legitimately and accurately busted by Jayjg at one point or another.
There you go with the impugning again. First of all, if you will consult our roster, WR only has 4 staff members. Somey says he has never edited WP, and I have no reason to doubt his word. Next, how on earth would you know whether Jayjg's sock busts were legitimate and/or accurate? The evidence is never made public (although presumably other CUs can see it.) As someone else pointed out, Jayjg seldom CUs nowadays except in cases which bear upon his POV, which raises questions about the "legitimacy" of any CUing that he does. And as someone else, possibly Thatcher, wrote somewhere (forgive my vagueness on this point,) CUing is not an exact science -- much of it is based on hunches, rough geolocating (the perp lives somewhere in a Very Similar Way,) and "exceptional well-honed linguistic analytic skills."
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Tue 31st March 2009, 4:17pm) *
There you go with the impugning again. First of all, if you will consult our roster, WR only has 4 staff members. Somey says he has never edited WP...

I think he meant to include Poetlister in that count (i.e., "since I've been here," which would include part of the time Poetlister was around).
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 31st March 2009, 9:23pm) *

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Tue 31st March 2009, 4:17pm) *
There you go with the impugning again. First of all, if you will consult our roster, WR only has 4 staff members. Somey says he has never edited WP...

I think he meant to include Poetlister in that count (i.e., "since I've been here," which would include part of the time Poetlister was around).

Herschel's conduct differs from others in a few key respects: he uses and links to the same username he used on Wikipedia, is upfront and sincere about his motivations and interests re Wikipedia's La Rouche related articles, hasn't impersonated anyone (e.g. young women) and hasn't, to my knowledge, lied to the Review's readers.

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thekohser   Jayjg opines on Thekohser's hometown   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:29am
thekohser   46 views so far, nary a response. Did I lay an eg...   Mon 30th March 2009, 2:52pm
Son of a Yeti   Did I lay an egg with this one? If so, the moder...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:23pm
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='thekohser' post='164382' date='Mon 3...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:41pm
thekohser   [quote name='thekohser' post='164382' date='Mon 3...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:53pm
Sarcasticidealist   My point of all this is, of course, to ask -- do t...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:57pm
dogbiscuit   I'll bite. Two things: this sort of one-sided ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:46pm
TungstenCarbide   I grew up in Jackson, Michigan. I lived there un...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:48pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Some wikipedia editors do mushrooms, some do WWII...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:10am
Milton Roe   [quote name='thekohser' post='164337' date='Mon 3...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:31am
Sarcasticidealist   Eventualism at work. Accepting this kind of thing...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:51pm
The Adversary   Well, I don´t think Jay did anything wrong here. ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 3:55pm
The Wales Hunter   Open editing is nice, in theory, subject to certai...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:00pm
thekohser   By the by, thanks to this edit by Jayjg added on M...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:04pm
Sarcasticidealist   As a banned editor, I will be patiently monitoring...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:07pm
Somey   Well... personally I would think it's just com...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:07pm
Jon Awbrey   Well … personally I would think it's just c...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:14pm
thekohser   Meanwhile, the Wikipedia article's section ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:36pm
Jon Awbrey   Good Grief, Greg, It's 2009 — The thing I k...   Mon 30th March 2009, 4:50pm
thekohser   Good Grief, Greg, It's 2009 — The thing I ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 5:24pm
Jon Awbrey   Good Grief, Greg, It's 2009 — The thing I...   Mon 30th March 2009, 5:38pm
gomi   The thing I keep seeing here is the way that Wikip...   Mon 30th March 2009, 5:49pm
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='164418' date='Mon ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 6:18pm
Sarcasticidealist   Frequent Jayjg adversary ChrisO steps in and attem...   Mon 30th March 2009, 11:47pm
gomi   Frequent Jayjg adversary ChrisO [url=http://en.wik...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:13am
Cla68   Frequent Jayjg adversary ChrisO steps in and atte...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:31am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='164519' dat...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:36am
Cla68   [quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='164519' da...   Tue 31st March 2009, 1:20am
EricBarbour   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='164534' date='Tue 3...   Tue 31st March 2009, 2:54am
Proabivouac   Jayjg should be desysopped immediately. He's ...   Tue 31st March 2009, 3:22am
CharlotteWebb   Now whether he created this article to begin with...   Tue 31st March 2009, 3:02pm
TungstenCarbide   Jayjg should be desysopped immediately. He's p...   Tue 31st March 2009, 5:23am
EricBarbour   Nah, I looked through his edits after reading anot...   Tue 31st March 2009, 8:42am
thekohser   Apparently, Jayjg is a graduate of the Wikipedia S...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:23am
Proabivouac   Hey, Greg, I've advised Jayjg not to block any...   Tue 31st March 2009, 12:30am
thekohser   Well, well, well... The plot sort of thickens. I...   Tue 31st March 2009, 1:02am
Somey   I'd have to agree with the part about Jayjg no...   Tue 31st March 2009, 7:00am
Somey   That's the official opinion of the Review, no ...   Tue 31st March 2009, 7:23am
Son of a Yeti   Nevertheless, Jayjg should be desysopped immediat...   Thu 2nd April 2009, 9:48pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Well, thanks for all that, but I'd still like ...   Wed 1st April 2009, 12:12am
Anonymous editor   Meanwhile, the Wikipedia article's section ...   Wed 1st April 2009, 4:33am
Moulton   This update on the story comes directly from Templ...   Wed 1st April 2009, 12:48pm
CharlotteWebb   Yeah, unless you have edited from Jackson I'd ...   Thu 2nd April 2009, 7:15pm
thekohser   Yeah, unless you have edited from Jackson I'd...   Fri 3rd April 2009, 1:13am


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