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post Mon 30th March 2009, 7:59pm
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Weighing the options

QUOTE(Judd Bagely)

My direct involvement notwithstanding, I feel it’s both fair and accurate to say that the events surrounding the Gary Weiss/Mantanmoreland affair were among the strangest and most polarizing in Wikipedia’s history.

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Reading analysis about this, I see that some commentators dismissed the out-of-the-money puts as insider information of Bear Stearns (presumably real) liquidity problems. I really doubt that. Demanding that the options board open a new series is a terrible way to reap insider profit; might as well personally demand that the SEC investigate you. Much better for insiders to use the most commonly-traded contracts in order to blend in; they'd still make a killing on that drop, and much less likely that they would get subpoenas.

It's a great way to help spread rumors though. *whisper whisper...* "liquidity problems, you say? Why, yes, those $30 puts did make me suspicious."

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QUOTE(One @ Tue 31st March 2009, 1:52pm) *

Reading analysis about this, I see that some commentators dismissed the out-of-the-money puts as insider information of Bear Stearns (presumably real) liquidity problems. I really doubt that. Demanding that the options board open a new series is a terrible way to reap insider profit; might as well personally demand that the SEC investigate you. Much better for insiders to use the most commonly-traded contracts in order to blend in; they'd still make a killing on that drop, and much less likely that they would get subpoenas.

It's a great way to help spread rumors though. *whisper whisper...* "liquidity problems, you say? Why, yes, those $30 puts did make me suspicious."
The only problem with that, in the case of Bear, is that the first reporting on the puts didn't happen until three days later, on 3/14/08. Although it's true that's not to say that others didn't notice it on their terminals beforehand.

One interesting counter-theory I've heard, which seeks to explain the relationship between the puts and the fails, is that the puts somehow triggered wild programmed short selling.

I don't know nearly enough about computerized trading (other than I thought it was severely limited after the crash of 1987) to opine on that one way or another.
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Kato   Akahele - Judd Bagley   Mon 30th March 2009, 7:59pm
Hipocrite   [url=http://akahele.org/2009/03/weighing-the-opti...   Mon 30th March 2009, 8:50pm
the fieryangel   How many links to antisocialmedia are in the link...   Mon 30th March 2009, 9:04pm
Hipocrite   How many links to antisocialmedia are in the lin...   Mon 30th March 2009, 9:30pm
the fieryangel   [quote name='the fieryangel' post='164482' date='...   Mon 30th March 2009, 9:41pm
Somey   Mr. Bagley is a fringy conspiracy theorist. ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 10:20pm
Hipocrite   Mr. Bagley is a fringy conspiracy theorist. ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 10:39pm
WordBomb   Mr. Bagley is a fringy conspiracy theorist. ...   Mon 30th March 2009, 10:56pm
EricBarbour   I fail to see the margin in releasing my ID to you...   Tue 31st March 2009, 1:10am
dtobias   How many links to antisocialmedia are in the link...   Mon 30th March 2009, 11:34pm
Cla68   [url=http://akahele.org/2009/03/weighing-the-opti...   Tue 31st March 2009, 1:44am
Jon Awbrey   Remember, Weiss is an investigative journalist. ...   Tue 31st March 2009, 3:12am
Emperor   What's weird is that as far as I can tell, the...   Tue 31st March 2009, 2:08am
GlassBeadGame   What's weird is that as far as I can tell, th...   Tue 31st March 2009, 3:03am
WordBomb   What's weird is that as far as I can tell, th...   Tue 31st March 2009, 3:20am
Cla68   What's weird is that as far as I can tell, t...   Tue 31st March 2009, 6:26am
WordBomb   Judd, in your column you say, "All the while,...   Tue 31st March 2009, 1:48pm
Somey   ...you can cram it, Hippo. I'd be more concern...   Tue 31st March 2009, 6:38am
Hipocrite   Mr. Bagley is a fringy conspiracy theorist. ...   Tue 31st March 2009, 11:03am
Random832   If Naked Short Selling had anything to do with Leh...   Tue 31st March 2009, 1:01pm
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Somey   One interesting counter-theory I've heard, whi...   Tue 31st March 2009, 9:42pm
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