Slim's New Twitter Pic, with extra added Brandt, Slim, and Martin Luther! Options

[Somey]

I just removed that sentence from the intro. Let's see how long it lasts. By the way, there is a passing reference in the Darwin article about the influence of his eugenics ideas on the Nazis.

Thank you, Cla68!

But no, it won't last... Hmm, now we need an emoticon for crossing one's fingers, don't we?

Regardless, this is the sort of thing that astounds me about Wikipedia. I would never in a million years have imagined that a thread about someone's Twitter avatar being changed might ultimately result in someone making the one little edit I've been trying to get them to make for three long years.

And I'm not even a Lutheran!

[Kato]

By the way, there is a passing reference in the Darwin article about the influence of his eugenics ideas on the Nazis.

For the record, Darwin didn't have any eugenics ideas. That was Galton. Darwin, in fact, rejected them.

Also, Hitler's ideas were basically Cultist (or Occultist?) and had nothing to do with Natural Selection. Hitler believed heritage passed in the blood, for example, and had various other notions that were in stark contrast to Darwin's findings based on the scientific method. The link is extremely tenuous to say the least.

[Daniel Brandt]

And I'm not even a Lutheran!

Ah, what a disappointment! I thought you might be one. They're thick as thieves in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota (where I lived until 6th grade), and I thought Iowa might be infested too!

[Cla68]

I just removed that sentence from the intro. Let's see how long it lasts. By the way, there is a passing reference in the Darwin article about the influence of his eugenics ideas on the Nazis.

Thank you, Cla68!

But no, it won't last... Hmm, now we need an emoticon for crossing one's fingers, don't we?

Regardless, this is the sort of thing that astounds me about Wikipedia. I would never in a million years have imagined that a thread about someone's Twitter avatar being changed might ultimately result in someone making the one little edit I've been trying to get them to make for three long years.

And I'm not even a Lutheran!

Take note what has happened in response. Although it would have been good theater for Jayjg, IronDuke or someone like that to swoop in, revert the change, ignore requests to discuss it on the talk page, and then arrogantly and imperiously warn me for vandalism or revert warring, the opposite has occurred. The editor who wants it to remain in the lede refrained from reverting and instead left two polite comments on my talk page. Also, a civil discussion is taking place on the article's talk page about it.

Reverted. It lasted about an hour. I've made a suggestion on the talk page. We'll see how that goes.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Tue 21st April 2009, 12:41am

[Somey]

By the way, there is a passing reference in the Darwin article about the influence of his eugenics ideas on the Nazis.

For the record, Darwin didn't have any eugenics ideas. That was Galton. Darwin, in fact, rejected them.

Also, Hitler's ideas were basically Cultist (or Occultist?) and had nothing to do with Natural Selection. Hitler believed heritage passed in the blood, for example, and had various other notions that were in stark contrast to Darwin's findings based on the scientific method. The link is extremely tenuous to say the least.

That's all true, of course. I'm not so sure the reference is especially unfair, at least not to the same extent as the one in the Luther article, but I would absolutely say that it's unnecessary. It really depends on the interpretation -- IOW, how clear is it that the Nazis weren't using Darwin as their scientific justification? Definitely clearer, and further down in the article, which is good (relatively speaking). But again, unnecessary.

Either way, eugenics was a terrible, shameful aspect of early 20th-century history that has been, for all intents and purposes, covered up. There was really nothing good or moral about it at all... The Reformation clearly had some good aspects, even though a lot of people died because of it, and some of those people were, admittedly, Jews.

The one thing I would point out is that, to the best of my knowledge, Luther's reaction to what he saw as Jewish "betrayal" towards the end of his life was to exile them, not kill them. Whatever Jewish deaths occurred were tangential to that policy, and in any event, far more Catholics (and Protestants) were killed during the Reformation than Jews. More to the point, Wikipedia has a ridiculously lengthy article on Luther's On the Jews and Their Lies, written as he was near death, a bitter, disillusioned old man. There is no article whatsoever on his earlier That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew, which was probably about as anti-anti-semitic a work as anything a German churchman could hope to publish at that time.

A much fairer treatment of the topic can be found at the bottom of this page of Renaissance and Reformation, by James Patrick, on Google Books.

Reverted. It lasted about an hour. I've made a suggestion on the talk page. We'll see how that goes.

Oh well... I was hoping for at least three hours, but silly me.

Not the edit summary: "Restore an earlier version of this paragraph, which was better written and more precisely referenced," when in fact the "editor," Qp10qp (T-C-L-K-R-D) , simply put the whole paragraph back in.

Ah, what a disappointment! I thought you might be one. They're thick as thieves in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota (where I lived until 6th grade), and I thought Iowa might be infested too!

I have a lot of good friends who are Lutherans, including one who's a minister. All of them are good people who would never dream of hating anyone because of their race, creed, color, or anything else (though they might hate someone for ripping them off in a real-estate transaction, say - I know I would!)...

But I myself am an agnostic-leaning-towards-atheist - my parents dragged me to a Presbyterian church for a few years, but it didn't really "take." If anyone asks me directly, I just tell them I'm "ignorant" - turns out it's a good way to avoid the subject!

[Noroton]

I've made a suggestion on the talk page. We'll see how that goes.

I got interested and read the section, found I disagreed with you and Doc and put my two cents in (all right, 87 cents). I hope that with polite comments on both sides, we've set the tone and the discussion will stay that way. (Well, it's a hope, anyway.)

I don't think there was anything wrong with your edit or its revert. It's a discussion-page thing. I'm hoping people who know more about Luther will take the lead.

[Somey]

I don't think there was anything wrong with your edit or its revert. It's a discussion-page thing. I'm hoping people who know more about Luther will take the lead.

"People who know more about Luther" have been banned in the past, mostly for knowing more about Luther. So why should it be any different now?

What they need are "people who know how to write encyclopedia articles that are to be read by large numbers of readers, and which bring credit to the website that publishes them."

[Noroton]

I don't think there was anything wrong with your edit or its revert. It's a discussion-page thing. I'm hoping people who know more about Luther will take the lead.

"People who know more about Luther" have been banned in the past, mostly for knowing more about Luther. So why should it be any different now?

What they need are "people who know how to write encyclopedia articles that are to be read by large numbers of readers, and which bring credit to the website that publishes them."

WP:WEIGHT is a pretty singular concept in Wikipedia. It depends on what a whole range of sources say and how much "weight" should be given to each element of a subject. The question of just how much information to include in the lead section basically depends on WP:WEIGHT, which is where the discussion has gone, now. People who know more about Luther should take the lead on that.

[Jon Awbrey]

It's called ANACHRONISM —

That's what my High School teachers used to mark on our papers if we wrote that kind of crap.

Of course, you can't really expect home skoolers and Camborgians to know any better.

Jon Awbrey

[Kelly Martin]

I didn't actually know she had one (Twitter account, I mean). But reporting breathlessly on every move she makes on other sites is just the sort of obsessiveness about SV that people (including but not limited to SV herself) have been criticizing people like you for.

She followed me. I don't understand why; my twitter feed is almost entirely about ham radio and I do not understand why she'd be remotely interested. Then again, David Gerard follows me too. I'm not sure which one creeps me out more.

[Heat]

I didn't actually know she had one (Twitter account, I mean). But reporting breathlessly on every move she makes on other sites is just the sort of obsessiveness about SV that people (including but not limited to SV herself) have been criticizing people like you for.

She followed me. I don't understand why; my twitter feed is almost entirely about ham radio and I do not understand why she'd be remotely interested. Then again, David Gerard follows me too. I'm not sure which one creeps me out more.

To be fair, when I set up my Twitter account I used the invite address book option and automatically began following, and invited as my followers, every single person I'd sent an email to in the past five years including several people who I certainly wouldn't have wanted to either follow or be followed by had I known what I was doing. I've since pruned both my "followers" and "following" list.

As a side note I find this practice of collecting Slim's pictures somewhat creepy. What's next, building a shrine?

This post has been edited by Heat: Tue 21st April 2009, 2:39am

[Herschelkrustofsky]

For the record, Darwin didn't have any eugenics ideas. That was Galton. Darwin, in fact, rejected them.

Julian Huxley was an important figure.

And I'm not even a Lutheran!

Ah, what a disappointment! I thought you might be one. They're thick as thieves in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota (where I lived until 6th grade), and I thought Iowa might be infested too!

(Reliable Source)

[Miltopia]

And I'm not even a Lutheran!

Ah, what a disappointment! I thought you might be one. They're thick as thieves in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota (where I lived until 6th grade), and I thought Iowa might be infested too!

That is not what thick as thieves means.

[Somey]

...The question of just how much information to include in the lead section basically depends on WP:WEIGHT, which is where the discussion has gone, now. People who know more about Luther should take the lead on that.

Could somebody un-ban them first?

[Noroton]

...The question of just how much information to include in the lead section basically depends on WP:WEIGHT, which is where the discussion has gone, now. People who know more about Luther should take the lead on that.

Could somebody un-ban them first?

Show Us The Diffs Or ...

[Cla68]

Uh oh. A lot of people are showing up to object to the removal of mention of the Nazi party from the intro. This is one instance where Citizendium's supervisory editorial review process would be helpful.

[The Adversary]

...The question of just how much information to include in the lead section basically depends on WP:WEIGHT, which is where the discussion has gone, now. People who know more about Luther should take the lead on that.

Could somebody un-ban them first?

Show Us The Diffs Or ...

Say, this guy?

[Milton Roe]

And I'm not even a Lutheran!

Ah, what a disappointment! I thought you might be one. They're thick as thieves in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota (where I lived until 6th grade), and I thought Iowa might be infested too!

That is not what thick as thieves means.

I think he meant thick as flies.

It's rather amusing to see people talking about how mild-mannered Lutherins are. As if the church that a founder founds, ever has much to do (after times goes by) with what the founder intended to found.

Does the modern LDS church generally accord with the philosophy of Joseph Smith, Jr? Trick question. The young J. Smith, or the middle aged J. Smith?

Answer: neither one!

NEW FACE ALERT

SlimVirgin just changed the pic on her Twitter account. The previous pic was the one on the right:

A day later: Well, well, Photobucket feels that Slim's mug is too profane to grace this thread!

Don't be naive. Slim must've contacted them and complained. Or did I miss sarcasm? You shoulda used the winky

[Cedric]

NEW FACE ALERT

SlimVirgin just changed the pic on her Twitter account. The previous pic was the one on the right:

A day later: Well, well, Photobucket feels that Slim's mug is too profane to grace this thread!

Don't be naive. Slim must've contacted them and complained. Or did I miss sarcasm? You shoulda used the winky

Meh. If she wants to complain about something, let her complain about this:

Unleash your inner admin! In bookstores now!

[Daniel Brandt]

Don't be naive. Slim must've contacted them and complained. Or did I miss sarcasm? You shoulda used the winky

I wonder how that went?

1. "Hello, I'm SlimVirgin, and I want my pictures taken down."

"Excuse me, I didn't quite catch your name."

2. "Hello, I'm Linda Mack, and I want my pictures taken down, but you can't tell anyone I'm Linda Mack, because everyone knows me as SlimVirgin, and you cannot email the account holder because he's a wikistalker."

"Excuse me, I didn't quite catch your name. And I'll need your address also."

3. "Hello, I'm gonna report you to MI5 unless you take down my pictures. I'm one of their agents and we're tight with the CIA and the CIA tortures people, in case you haven't heard."

"Right away, Ms. Virgin."