NYB on The Volokh Conspiracy, Some First Thoughts on Wikipedia Options

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http://www.volokh.com/posts/1242098183.shtml

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[Daniel Brandt]

NYB, when are you going to put your name on your user page? Cool_Hand_Luke should do it too.

[Newyorkbrad]

NYB, when are you going to put your name on your user page? Cool_Hand_Luke should do it too.

I actually had planned to do it this week, as I mentioned in this thread last week. I might well have done it when I returned to editing last summer, but I didn't particularly appreciate the feeling of being coerced into it.

[Daniel Brandt]

I actually had planned to do it this week, as I mentioned in this thread last week. I might well have done it when I returned to editing last summer, but I didn't particularly appreciate the feeling of being coerced into it.

Maybe the move would be easier if the User pages has a "noindex" just like the User_talk pages do. I think there is more work to be done on the "noindex" front. It's true that your user page would most likely be in the top ten results in a search for your real name, because your real name is unusual and Google is infatuated with everything from Wikipedia.

That's all the more reason to level the field by adopting a "noindex" policy for all User pages. It might even take the wind out of some of those pesky teenage editors if they were unable to get a hormone kick from their Google juice.

[Lar]

I actually had planned to do it this week, as I mentioned in this thread last week. I might well have done it when I returned to editing last summer, but I didn't particularly appreciate the feeling of being coerced into it.

Maybe the move would be easier if the User pages has a "noindex" just like the User_talk pages do. I think there is more work to be done on the "noindex" front. It's true that your user page would most likely be in the top ten results in a search for your real name, because your real name is unusual and Google is infatuated with everything from Wikipedia.

That's all the more reason to level the field by adopting a "noindex" policy for all User pages. It might even take the wind out of some of those pesky teenage editors if they were unable to get a hormone kick from their Google juice.

Strikes me that the default for all namespaces ought to be noindex, and then evaluate namespace by namespace whether to be non default, (so article would be indexed) and then evaluate page by page (where necessary) whether to be non default from the non default (so that the article called "Daniel Brandt is a big weenie" is noindex even though articles generally are...)

I could swear there was a proposal to actually do that at some point.

But specifically, I think user ought to be noindex just like user talk.

[One]

Same for I believe in equal treatment for all of Jimbo's arbcom lackeys.

except when you don't.

Since the day Hivemind opened, Brandt has been consistently uneven in the treatment of listing. He has habitually offered to remove people for kissing his ring in various ways. I can't imagine why he thinks it helps his cause. I would have voted to delete his articles without coercion (as indeed I did). I think his critique would be stronger without it; either list everyone or define fixed criteria for removal.

I won't cooperate with anything else.

I could swear there was a proposal to actually do that at some point.
But specifically, I think user ought to be noindex just like user talk.

MBisanz is the guru in this subject. He's made several proposals to improve things. He posted links back in February.

This post has been edited by One: Mon 25th May 2009, 2:58am

[Jon Awbrey]

I won't cooperate with anything else.

And yet you capitulate to coercion, double standards, favoritism, hypocrisy, and inconsistency on a massive scale every day when it comes to Wikipedia.

Jon Awbrey

[One]

I won't cooperate with anything else.

And yet you capitulate to coercion, double standards, favoritism, hypocrisy, and inconsistency on a massive scale every day when it comes to Wikipedia.

Jon Awbrey

No, the difference is that I sympathize with Daniel Brandt's position. He would be better off if he stopped offering to add or remove people for favors, so I'm going to do him a favor and ignore it every time he makes me such a proposition.

Brandt: if you think I should list my name, I might have taken the advice. It's a reasonable position. But I'm certainly not going to do it if people believe it's an example of your coercion or my capitulation to your coercion.

Keep me listed. Or don't. But do yourself a favor and stop asking me for Hivemind favors.

[Jon Awbrey]

I won't cooperate with anything else.

And yet you capitulate to coercion, double standards, favoritism, hypocrisy, and inconsistency on a massive scale every day when it comes to Wikipedia.

Jon Awbrey

No, the difference is that I sympathize with Daniel Brandt's position. He would be better off if he stopped offering to add or remove people for favors, so I'm going to do him a favor and ignore it every time he makes me such a proposition.

Brandt: if you think I should list my name, I might have taken the advice. It's a reasonable position. But I'm certainly not going to do it if people believe it's an example of your coercion or my capitulation to your coercion.

Keep me listed. Or don't. But do yourself a favor and stop asking me for Hivemind favors.

WALOC*

Jon

* What A Load Of Crap

[Lar]

I won't cooperate with anything else.

And yet you capitulate to coercion, double standards, favoritism, hypocrisy, and inconsistency on a massive scale every day when it comes to Wikipedia.

Jon Awbrey

No, the difference is that I sympathize with Daniel Brandt's position. He would be better off if he stopped offering to add or remove people for favors, so I'm going to do him a favor and ignore it every time he makes me such a proposition.

Brandt: if you think I should list my name, I might have taken the advice. It's a reasonable position. But I'm certainly not going to do it if people believe it's an example of your coercion or my capitulation to your coercion.

Keep me listed. Or don't. But do yourself a favor and stop asking me for Hivemind favors.

WALOC*

Jon

* What A Load Of Crap

YMMV*

Lar

* Your Mileage May Vary