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FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) would actually be quite good at this. Part of Wikipedia's problem is that those at the top don't like listening to people who aren't positive about the project. Someone willing to say "this project is failing" and articulate enough to explain why – as opposed to some of the "Wikipedia is evil and must be destroyed" brigade – might be just what Jimbo needs. Regarding my preliminary opinions of this particular proposal, to save people trawling through threaded discussions for them, my personal opinion on it is: I'm sure everyone involved has the best of intentions, but this looks designed to become Wikipedia's version of the European Parliament; a meaningless, unelected and unaccountable committee with no formal powers, which ends up only existing to rubber-stamp and legitimise decisions. Maybe I'm being cynical, but the current list of members looks like a deliberate attempt to create sinecures for the noisiest critics of the current setup, on a "better inside the tent pissing out" principle. This just looks like Arbcom's revival of Jimbo's old arbitrary appointments without the need for anything messy like elections or selection processes. No disrespect to the individual people who've accepted, but I really don't think this is a good idea from either angle; either you're a fan of Wikipedia in which case it's diverting your energy into a talking shop which Jimmy Wales will ignore, or you're an opponent of Wikipedia in which case the energies of critics are being syphoned off into this heat-sink page (as well as the blow to the credibility dealt by the critics of the system accepting an appointment to what looks like God-king Jimbo's House of Lords.) |
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 Eva Destruction Advisory Council on Project Development Fri 10th July 2009, 8:03pm Nerd
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbit... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:15pm Sarcasticidealist 1. The state of governance on Wikipedia is such th... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:25pm  Nerd
1. The state of governance on Wikipedia is such t... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:28pm Sarcasticidealist I don't follow that logic.That's because i... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:31pm Nerd
This is just a front anyway.
For what? The Troj... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:35pm Sarcasticidealist It's a pretence that arbcom actually care abou... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:38pm GlassBeadGame
I don't follow that logic.That's because ... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:38pm Kelly Martin If this group plans to conduct its business somewh... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:35pm Sarcasticidealist I'd consider volunteering except that they... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:39pm Kelly Martin Also, why would you consider volunteering? To acc... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:44pm Sarcasticidealist FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:52pm Malleus FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:06pm thekohser
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='182965' date=... Sat 11th July 2009, 4:28am MZMcBride
Believe me -- in the short term, I'm delighte... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:07am thekohser
Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced ... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:32am Nerd
Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:34am Malleus
Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:04am Malleus
She's not 10. But, no... you haven't ups... Sat 11th July 2009, 1:45pm Kelly Martin But I believe that Kelly has a self-admitted histo... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:13pm Sarcasticidealist I've always acted in good faith with respect t... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:15pm GlassBeadGame
I've always acted in good faith with respect ... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:29pm Kelly Martin I thought you'd characterized your motivations... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:32pm Guido den Broeder It's a move in the wrong direction, a futile a... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:34pm Cla68 Obviously, a council such as this one, without any... Fri 10th July 2009, 10:27pm Cedric http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric/... Fri 10th July 2009, 11:17pm Milton Roe
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:36pm NuclearWarfare For those who haven't seen it yet, there is no... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:56pm Kelly Martin
For those who haven't seen it yet, there is n... Sat 11th July 2009, 8:01pm everyking This is junk. An advisory council to the ArbCom? W... Sat 11th July 2009, 12:34am Kelly Martin This is junk. An advisory council to the ArbCom? W... Sat 11th July 2009, 12:47am everyking
[quote name='everyking' post='183003' date='Fri 1... Sat 11th July 2009, 12:56am Sarcasticidealist I proposed a much superior alternative yesterday--... Sat 11th July 2009, 1:01am everyking
I proposed a much superior alternative yesterday-... Sat 11th July 2009, 1:15am sbrown
If the ArbCom created such a committee itself, de... Sat 11th July 2009, 5:36am Sarcasticidealist If the ArbCom created such a committee itself, dec... Sat 11th July 2009, 4:48pm Cock-up-over-conspiracy [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitr... Sat 11th July 2009, 2:15am Somey [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='182947' date='... Sat 11th July 2009, 3:22pm Kelly Martin The whole thing is too vague anyway. If they'r... Sat 11th July 2009, 3:43pm Eva Destruction
The whole thing is too vague anyway. If they... Sat 11th July 2009, 4:43pm toddy Am I the only one who finds the fact that this ... Sat 11th July 2009, 2:43pm LaraLove I'm to the point that I want to see change any... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:31pm Eva Destruction
I'm to the point that I want to see change an... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:56pm Somey Well, you can't please everyone, particularly ... Sat 11th July 2009, 8:55pm Eva Destruction
The [i]last thing you'd want to do is have th... Sat 11th July 2009, 9:36pm Kelly Martin I did not see this coming.
Protest resignation? K... Sat 11th July 2009, 9:51pm Cla68
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183176' date=... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:26pm LessHorrid vanU
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183176' date... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:40pm Nerd Heh. Let's hope they all quit.
[quote name='... Sat 11th July 2009, 10:40pm everyking
Heh. Let's hope they all quit.
[quote name=... Sun 12th July 2009, 1:24am Kelly Martin How about the remaining arbitrators acknowledge th... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:01am thekohser
Looking back at the events so far, I'd say th... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:18am GlassBeadGame
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='183237' date='Sa... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:26am Nerd
Then we would watch Wikipedia quickly unravel.
... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:12pm thekohser
Then we would watch Wikipedia quickly unravel.
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How about the remaining arbitrators acknowledge t... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:43am Kelly Martin On the contrary, I think the idea of reforming Wik... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:54am No one of consequence
On the contrary, I think the idea of reforming Wi... Sun 12th July 2009, 4:43am Cock-up-over-conspiracy Has there ever been a truly independent, external ... Sun 12th July 2009, 7:53am Somey ...People either think Wikipedia needs genuine ref... Sun 12th July 2009, 3:08am Orderinchaos
Glad to see them go. How about the remaining arbi... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:49am LessHorrid vanU
Glad to see them go. How about the remaining arb... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:14am Orderinchaos
My eyes simply glazed over as soon as I read your... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:27am Sarcasticidealist Another one bites the dust.
Heh. Let's hope t... Sat 11th July 2009, 10:43pm Nerd
[quote name='Nerd' post='183185' date='Sat 11th J... Sat 11th July 2009, 10:46pm GlassBeadGame Why any group would want an "advisory council... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:29pm Kelly Martin The whole point of an advisory council is to provi... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:36pm Somey Surely there are online communities with expertise... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:54pm Somey I don't think it's all that surprising tha... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:34pm taiwopanfob Matisse bitterly complains that Kirill is acting i... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:06am Kelly Martin Curiously, he then goes to Kirill, post-resignatio... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:19am LaraLove
I'm to the point that I want to see change a... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:55am Peter Damian Will it surprise everyone here when I say I am bro... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:37am GlassBeadGame
Will it surprise everyone here when I say I am br... Sun 12th July 2009, 4:36pm Kelly Martin ArbCom's disappearance would probably have som... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:59pm Tony1 The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because ... Sun 12th July 2009, 3:30pm taiwopanfob
The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because... Sun 12th July 2009, 3:56pm Kelly Martin
The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because... Sun 12th July 2009, 5:37pm Sarcasticidealist The ArbCom, like everyone else in Wikipedia, may d... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:35pm trenton Meh, the typical wikipedia clusterfuck.
Special a... Sun 12th July 2009, 6:47pm Eight So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone els... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:00pm Eva Destruction
So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone el... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:14pm Eight
So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone e... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:19pm everyking The most revealing aspect of the RfC, in my view, ... Mon 13th July 2009, 4:37am Cla68 Like I said before, if the ArbCom really wants to ... Mon 13th July 2009, 7:05am EricBarbour People seem to be missing the between-the-lines pa... Mon 13th July 2009, 7:50am Peter Damian
Peter Damian or Greg Kohs will not destroy Wikipe... Mon 13th July 2009, 8:23am Cla68
People seem to be missing the between-the-lines p... Mon 13th July 2009, 10:06am Eva Destruction
People seem to be missing the between-the-lines p... Mon 13th July 2009, 10:33am Cla68
[quote name='EricBarbour' post='183468' date='Mon... Mon 13th July 2009, 11:10am Eva Destruction
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183478' date=... Mon 13th July 2009, 11:27am A Horse With No Name Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia ha... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:47pm Obesity
Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia h... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:50pm A Horse With No Name
Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in managemen... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:55pm Obesity
Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in manageme... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:06pm A Horse With No Name
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='183509' ... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:07pm Obesity
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='183509'... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:08pm Kelly Martin Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia ha... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:52pm trenton These grapes, they are so sour, I wouldn't eat... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:11pm
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