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| Kelly Martin |
Sat 11th July 2009, 11:36pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sat 11th July 2009, 6:29pm)  The whole point of an advisory council is to provide new perspectives. Look outside yourself for once, Wikipedia. Indeed, it is traditional for an advisory council to be comprised almost entirely of outsiders. The people on this council, some of them at least, are outsiders in the sense that they're not Carriers of the Holy Blessing of the Almighty Jimbo. But they're still very much insiders of the Wiki-Experience. Surely there are online communities with expertise they're willing to share? Oh, wait, I forget: Wikipedia is unlike anything that ever came before and cannot possibly learn anything from the experiences of these other places. My mistake.
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Sat 11th July 2009, 11:54pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sat 11th July 2009, 6:36pm)  Surely there are online communities with expertise they're willing to share? Oh, wait, I forget: Wikipedia is unlike anything that ever came before and cannot possibly learn anything from the experiences of these other places.... Another very good point. What they really need, IMO, is an advisory group made up of people who were heavily involved in Social Web initiatives that actually failed, and figure out if some of the things WP is doing (or not doing) are similar to some of the things that caused those other sites to have problems. After all, many of the people who ran those sites have had considerable time to think about what they did wrong, or didn't do right, and it might even pain them somewhat to see others doing pretty much the same thing. It's far more likely that WP'ers will want to consult only with people who run sites that are spectacularly successful right now, namely Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter, because this will make the WP'ers feel more special and muy importante. But they won't learn much from those folks that they don't already know, since the extent of their wisdom is likely to be "come up with a popular idea and run with it."
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Eva Destruction Advisory Council on Project Development Fri 10th July 2009, 8:03pm Nerd
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbit... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:15pm Sarcasticidealist 1. The state of governance on Wikipedia is such th... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:25pm Nerd
1. The state of governance on Wikipedia is such t... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:28pm  Sarcasticidealist I don't follow that logic.That's because i... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:31pm   Nerd
This is just a front anyway.
For what? The Troj... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:35pm    Sarcasticidealist It's a pretence that arbcom actually care abou... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:38pm   GlassBeadGame
I don't follow that logic.That's because ... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:38pm Kelly Martin If this group plans to conduct its business somewh... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:35pm Sarcasticidealist I'd consider volunteering except that they... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:39pm  Kelly Martin Also, why would you consider volunteering? To acc... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:44pm Eva Destruction FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:50pm Sarcasticidealist FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou... Fri 10th July 2009, 8:52pm  Malleus FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:06pm   thekohser
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='182965' date=... Sat 11th July 2009, 4:28am    MZMcBride
Believe me -- in the short term, I'm delighte... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:07am     thekohser
Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced ... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:32am      Nerd
Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:34am      Malleus
Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:04am    Malleus
She's not 10. But, no... you haven't ups... Sat 11th July 2009, 1:45pm  Kelly Martin But I believe that Kelly has a self-admitted histo... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:13pm   Sarcasticidealist I've always acted in good faith with respect t... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:15pm    GlassBeadGame
I've always acted in good faith with respect ... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:29pm    Kelly Martin I thought you'd characterized your motivations... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:32pm Guido den Broeder It's a move in the wrong direction, a futile a... Fri 10th July 2009, 9:34pm Cla68 Obviously, a council such as this one, without any... Fri 10th July 2009, 10:27pm Cedric http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric/... Fri 10th July 2009, 11:17pm Milton Roe
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:36pm  NuclearWarfare For those who haven't seen it yet, there is no... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:56pm   Kelly Martin
For those who haven't seen it yet, there is n... Sat 11th July 2009, 8:01pm everyking This is junk. An advisory council to the ArbCom? W... Sat 11th July 2009, 12:34am Kelly Martin This is junk. An advisory council to the ArbCom? W... Sat 11th July 2009, 12:47am  everyking
[quote name='everyking' post='183003' date='Fri 1... Sat 11th July 2009, 12:56am Sarcasticidealist I proposed a much superior alternative yesterday--... Sat 11th July 2009, 1:01am  everyking
I proposed a much superior alternative yesterday-... Sat 11th July 2009, 1:15am   sbrown
If the ArbCom created such a committee itself, de... Sat 11th July 2009, 5:36am   Sarcasticidealist If the ArbCom created such a committee itself, dec... Sat 11th July 2009, 4:48pm Cock-up-over-conspiracy [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitr... Sat 11th July 2009, 2:15am Somey [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='182947' date='... Sat 11th July 2009, 3:22pm  Kelly Martin The whole thing is too vague anyway. If they'r... Sat 11th July 2009, 3:43pm   Eva Destruction
The whole thing is too vague anyway. If they... Sat 11th July 2009, 4:43pm toddy Am I the only one who finds the fact that this ... Sat 11th July 2009, 2:43pm LaraLove I'm to the point that I want to see change any... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:31pm Eva Destruction
I'm to the point that I want to see change an... Sat 11th July 2009, 7:56pm Somey Well, you can't please everyone, particularly ... Sat 11th July 2009, 8:55pm Eva Destruction
The [i]last thing you'd want to do is have th... Sat 11th July 2009, 9:36pm  Kelly Martin I did not see this coming.
Protest resignation? K... Sat 11th July 2009, 9:51pm   Cla68
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183176' date=... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:26pm    LessHorrid vanU
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183176' date... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:40pm Nerd Heh. Let's hope they all quit.
[quote name='... Sat 11th July 2009, 10:40pm everyking
Heh. Let's hope they all quit.
[quote name=... Sun 12th July 2009, 1:24am  Kelly Martin How about the remaining arbitrators acknowledge th... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:01am   thekohser
Looking back at the events so far, I'd say th... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:18am    GlassBeadGame
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='183237' date='Sa... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:26am    Nerd
Then we would watch Wikipedia quickly unravel.
... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:12pm     thekohser
Then we would watch Wikipedia quickly unravel.
... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:52pm   everyking
How about the remaining arbitrators acknowledge t... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:43am    Kelly Martin On the contrary, I think the idea of reforming Wik... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:54am     No one of consequence
On the contrary, I think the idea of reforming Wi... Sun 12th July 2009, 4:43am      Cock-up-over-conspiracy Has there ever been a truly independent, external ... Sun 12th July 2009, 7:53am    Somey ...People either think Wikipedia needs genuine ref... Sun 12th July 2009, 3:08am  Orderinchaos
Glad to see them go. How about the remaining arbi... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:49am   LessHorrid vanU
Glad to see them go. How about the remaining arb... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:14am    Orderinchaos
My eyes simply glazed over as soon as I read your... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:27am Sarcasticidealist Another one bites the dust.
Heh. Let's hope t... Sat 11th July 2009, 10:43pm Nerd
[quote name='Nerd' post='183185' date='Sat 11th J... Sat 11th July 2009, 10:46pm Somey I don't think it's all that surprising tha... Sat 11th July 2009, 11:34pm taiwopanfob Matisse bitterly complains that Kirill is acting i... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:06am Kelly Martin Curiously, he then goes to Kirill, post-resignatio... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:19am LaraLove
I'm to the point that I want to see change a... Sun 12th July 2009, 12:55am Peter Damian Will it surprise everyone here when I say I am bro... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:37am GlassBeadGame
Will it surprise everyone here when I say I am br... Sun 12th July 2009, 4:36pm Kelly Martin ArbCom's disappearance would probably have som... Sun 12th July 2009, 2:59pm Tony1 The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because ... Sun 12th July 2009, 3:30pm taiwopanfob
The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because... Sun 12th July 2009, 3:56pm Kelly Martin
The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because... Sun 12th July 2009, 5:37pm  Sarcasticidealist The ArbCom, like everyone else in Wikipedia, may d... Sun 12th July 2009, 10:35pm trenton Meh, the typical wikipedia clusterfuck.
Special a... Sun 12th July 2009, 6:47pm Eight So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone els... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:00pm Eva Destruction
So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone el... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:14pm  Eight
So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone e... Sun 12th July 2009, 9:19pm everyking The most revealing aspect of the RfC, in my view, ... Mon 13th July 2009, 4:37am Cla68 Like I said before, if the ArbCom really wants to ... Mon 13th July 2009, 7:05am EricBarbour People seem to be missing the between-the-lines pa... Mon 13th July 2009, 7:50am Peter Damian
Peter Damian or Greg Kohs will not destroy Wikipe... Mon 13th July 2009, 8:23am Cla68
People seem to be missing the between-the-lines p... Mon 13th July 2009, 10:06am Eva Destruction
People seem to be missing the between-the-lines p... Mon 13th July 2009, 10:33am  Cla68
[quote name='EricBarbour' post='183468' date='Mon... Mon 13th July 2009, 11:10am   Eva Destruction
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183478' date=... Mon 13th July 2009, 11:27am A Horse With No Name Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia ha... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:47pm Obesity
Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia h... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:50pm  A Horse With No Name
Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in managemen... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:55pm   Obesity
Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in manageme... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:06pm    A Horse With No Name
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='183509' ... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:07pm     Obesity
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='183509'... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:08pm Kelly Martin Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia ha... Mon 13th July 2009, 1:52pm trenton These grapes, they are so sour, I wouldn't eat... Mon 13th July 2009, 2:11pm
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