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Eva Destruction
post Fri 10th July 2009, 8:03pm
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Surprised this hasn't already been mentioned here, especially since it seems to be composed of 75% WR members. While I'm more than willing to be pleasantly surprised, this looks like a very peculiar idea to me. (My thoughts on the matter are here).
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post Sat 11th July 2009, 11:29pm
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Why any group would want an "advisory council"consisting of the very people who are already endlessly inserting themselves into every dispute, policy discussion, gossip or miscellaneous wonkery that they happen upon is beyond me. The whole point of an advisory council is to provide new perspectives. Look outside yourself for once, Wikipedia.
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post Sat 11th July 2009, 11:36pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sat 11th July 2009, 6:29pm) *
The whole point of an advisory council is to provide new perspectives. Look outside yourself for once, Wikipedia.
Indeed, it is traditional for an advisory council to be comprised almost entirely of outsiders. The people on this council, some of them at least, are outsiders in the sense that they're not Carriers of the Holy Blessing of the Almighty Jimbo. But they're still very much insiders of the Wiki-Experience.

Surely there are online communities with expertise they're willing to share? Oh, wait, I forget: Wikipedia is unlike anything that ever came before and cannot possibly learn anything from the experiences of these other places. My mistake.
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post Sat 11th July 2009, 11:54pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sat 11th July 2009, 6:36pm) *
Surely there are online communities with expertise they're willing to share? Oh, wait, I forget: Wikipedia is unlike anything that ever came before and cannot possibly learn anything from the experiences of these other places....

Another very good point. What they really need, IMO, is an advisory group made up of people who were heavily involved in Social Web initiatives that actually failed, and figure out if some of the things WP is doing (or not doing) are similar to some of the things that caused those other sites to have problems. After all, many of the people who ran those sites have had considerable time to think about what they did wrong, or didn't do right, and it might even pain them somewhat to see others doing pretty much the same thing.

It's far more likely that WP'ers will want to consult only with people who run sites that are spectacularly successful right now, namely Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter, because this will make the WP'ers feel more special and muy importante. But they won't learn much from those folks that they don't already know, since the extent of their wisdom is likely to be "come up with a popular idea and run with it."
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Eva Destruction   Advisory Council on Project Development   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:03pm
Nerd   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbit...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:15pm
Sarcasticidealist   1. The state of governance on Wikipedia is such th...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:25pm
Nerd   1. The state of governance on Wikipedia is such t...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:28pm
Sarcasticidealist   I don't follow that logic.That's because i...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:31pm
Nerd   This is just a front anyway. For what? The Troj...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:35pm
Sarcasticidealist   It's a pretence that arbcom actually care abou...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:38pm
GlassBeadGame   I don't follow that logic.That's because ...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:38pm
Kelly Martin   If this group plans to conduct its business somewh...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:35pm
Sarcasticidealist   I'd consider volunteering except that they...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:39pm
Kelly Martin   Also, why would you consider volunteering? To acc...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:44pm
Eva Destruction   FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:50pm
Sarcasticidealist   FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou...   Fri 10th July 2009, 8:52pm
Malleus   FWIW, I think Kelly (or Greg, for that matter) wou...   Fri 10th July 2009, 9:06pm
thekohser   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='182965' date=...   Sat 11th July 2009, 4:28am
MZMcBride   Believe me -- in the short term, I'm delighte...   Sat 11th July 2009, 7:07am
thekohser   Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced ...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:32am
Nerd   Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:34am
Malleus   Until Wikipedia's usefulness can be replaced...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:04am
Malleus   She's not 10. But, no... you haven't ups...   Sat 11th July 2009, 1:45pm
Kelly Martin   But I believe that Kelly has a self-admitted histo...   Fri 10th July 2009, 9:13pm
Sarcasticidealist   I've always acted in good faith with respect t...   Fri 10th July 2009, 9:15pm
GlassBeadGame   I've always acted in good faith with respect ...   Fri 10th July 2009, 9:29pm
Kelly Martin   I thought you'd characterized your motivations...   Fri 10th July 2009, 9:32pm
Guido den Broeder   It's a move in the wrong direction, a futile a...   Fri 10th July 2009, 9:34pm
Cla68   Obviously, a council such as this one, without any...   Fri 10th July 2009, 10:27pm
Cedric   http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric/...   Fri 10th July 2009, 11:17pm
Milton Roe   http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc358/WRCedric...   Sat 11th July 2009, 7:36pm
NuclearWarfare   For those who haven't seen it yet, there is no...   Sat 11th July 2009, 7:56pm
Kelly Martin   For those who haven't seen it yet, there is n...   Sat 11th July 2009, 8:01pm
everyking   This is junk. An advisory council to the ArbCom? W...   Sat 11th July 2009, 12:34am
Kelly Martin   This is junk. An advisory council to the ArbCom? W...   Sat 11th July 2009, 12:47am
everyking   [quote name='everyking' post='183003' date='Fri 1...   Sat 11th July 2009, 12:56am
Sarcasticidealist   I proposed a much superior alternative yesterday--...   Sat 11th July 2009, 1:01am
everyking   I proposed a much superior alternative yesterday-...   Sat 11th July 2009, 1:15am
sbrown   If the ArbCom created such a committee itself, de...   Sat 11th July 2009, 5:36am
Sarcasticidealist   If the ArbCom created such a committee itself, dec...   Sat 11th July 2009, 4:48pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitr...   Sat 11th July 2009, 2:15am
Somey   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='182947' date='...   Sat 11th July 2009, 3:22pm
Kelly Martin   The whole thing is too vague anyway. If they'r...   Sat 11th July 2009, 3:43pm
Eva Destruction   The whole thing is too vague anyway. If they...   Sat 11th July 2009, 4:43pm
toddy   Am I the only one who finds the fact that this ...   Sat 11th July 2009, 2:43pm
LaraLove   I'm to the point that I want to see change any...   Sat 11th July 2009, 7:31pm
Eva Destruction   I'm to the point that I want to see change an...   Sat 11th July 2009, 7:56pm
Somey   Well, you can't please everyone, particularly ...   Sat 11th July 2009, 8:55pm
Eva Destruction   The [i]last thing you'd want to do is have th...   Sat 11th July 2009, 9:36pm
Kelly Martin   I did not see this coming. Protest resignation? K...   Sat 11th July 2009, 9:51pm
Cla68   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183176' date=...   Sat 11th July 2009, 11:26pm
LessHorrid vanU   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183176' date...   Sat 11th July 2009, 11:40pm
Nerd   Heh. Let's hope they all quit. [quote name='...   Sat 11th July 2009, 10:40pm
everyking   Heh. Let's hope they all quit. [quote name=...   Sun 12th July 2009, 1:24am
Kelly Martin   How about the remaining arbitrators acknowledge th...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:01am
thekohser   Looking back at the events so far, I'd say th...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:18am
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='183237' date='Sa...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:26am
Nerd   Then we would watch Wikipedia quickly unravel. ...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:12pm
thekohser   Then we would watch Wikipedia quickly unravel. ...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:52pm
everyking   How about the remaining arbitrators acknowledge t...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:43am
Kelly Martin   On the contrary, I think the idea of reforming Wik...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:54am
No one of consequence   On the contrary, I think the idea of reforming Wi...   Sun 12th July 2009, 4:43am
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Has there ever been a truly independent, external ...   Sun 12th July 2009, 7:53am
Somey   ...People either think Wikipedia needs genuine ref...   Sun 12th July 2009, 3:08am
Orderinchaos   Glad to see them go. How about the remaining arbi...   Sun 12th July 2009, 9:49am
LessHorrid vanU   Glad to see them go. How about the remaining arb...   Sun 12th July 2009, 10:14am
Orderinchaos   My eyes simply glazed over as soon as I read your...   Sun 12th July 2009, 10:27am
Sarcasticidealist   Another one bites the dust. Heh. Let's hope t...   Sat 11th July 2009, 10:43pm
Nerd   [quote name='Nerd' post='183185' date='Sat 11th J...   Sat 11th July 2009, 10:46pm
Somey   I don't think it's all that surprising tha...   Sat 11th July 2009, 11:34pm
taiwopanfob   Matisse bitterly complains that Kirill is acting i...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:06am
Kelly Martin   Curiously, he then goes to Kirill, post-resignatio...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:19am
LaraLove   I'm to the point that I want to see change a...   Sun 12th July 2009, 12:55am
Peter Damian   Will it surprise everyone here when I say I am bro...   Sun 12th July 2009, 10:37am
GlassBeadGame   Will it surprise everyone here when I say I am br...   Sun 12th July 2009, 4:36pm
Kelly Martin   ArbCom's disappearance would probably have som...   Sun 12th July 2009, 2:59pm
Tony1   The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because ...   Sun 12th July 2009, 3:30pm
taiwopanfob   The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because...   Sun 12th July 2009, 3:56pm
Kelly Martin   The Advisory Council is unconstitutional, because...   Sun 12th July 2009, 5:37pm
Sarcasticidealist   The ArbCom, like everyone else in Wikipedia, may d...   Sun 12th July 2009, 10:35pm
trenton   Meh, the typical wikipedia clusterfuck. Special a...   Sun 12th July 2009, 6:47pm
Eight   So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone els...   Sun 12th July 2009, 9:00pm
Eva Destruction   So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone el...   Sun 12th July 2009, 9:14pm
Eight   So Kirill and Coren have both resigned. Anyone e...   Sun 12th July 2009, 9:19pm
everyking   The most revealing aspect of the RfC, in my view, ...   Mon 13th July 2009, 4:37am
Cla68   Like I said before, if the ArbCom really wants to ...   Mon 13th July 2009, 7:05am
EricBarbour   People seem to be missing the between-the-lines pa...   Mon 13th July 2009, 7:50am
Peter Damian   Peter Damian or Greg Kohs will not destroy Wikipe...   Mon 13th July 2009, 8:23am
Cla68   People seem to be missing the between-the-lines p...   Mon 13th July 2009, 10:06am
Eva Destruction   People seem to be missing the between-the-lines p...   Mon 13th July 2009, 10:33am
Cla68   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='183468' date='Mon...   Mon 13th July 2009, 11:10am
Eva Destruction   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183478' date=...   Mon 13th July 2009, 11:27am
A Horse With No Name   Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia ha...   Mon 13th July 2009, 1:47pm
Obesity   Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia h...   Mon 13th July 2009, 1:50pm
A Horse With No Name   Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in managemen...   Mon 13th July 2009, 1:55pm
Obesity   Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in manageme...   Mon 13th July 2009, 2:06pm
A Horse With No Name   [quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='183509' ...   Mon 13th July 2009, 2:07pm
Obesity   [quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='183509'...   Mon 13th July 2009, 2:08pm
Kelly Martin   Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia ha...   Mon 13th July 2009, 1:52pm
trenton   These grapes, they are so sour, I wouldn't eat...   Mon 13th July 2009, 2:11pm
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