Abd-William M. Connolley, The Cabal strikes back Options

[Grep]

Some of the more hilarious rhetoric, most but not all in the pot-kettle department

WMC

• "my attention was drawn to CF"
  (we used to call it stalking)
• admits to protecting a page version for amusement value
• "A often seemed confused about the terms of the ban"
  (that would be "an indeterminate period of approximately a month" which "remains, to be reviewed in approximately another month" )

Enric Naval

• "Abd believes that he knows better than other users"
  (of course, it's Enric itself who knows best)
• "Abd says that hoaxes should not be deleted, and hoaxers tolerated"
  (Abd said that hoaxes should be blanked by any user instead of deleted by admins)
• "Abd assumes the existance of bad-faith cabals"
  (I wonder where he gets that idea from?)
• "Abd performs experiments with democracy"
  (outrageous)
• "Abd sees no problem at all with his very long posts"
  (subheading 25 out of 27 total in Enric's evidence)

Mathsci

• "Abd has made unfounded statements about William M. Connolley" / "WMC is part of some covert off-wiki conspiracy." / "Since this case began he has written that WMC has been "coddling" me."
  (Such as by blocking people who annoy Mathsci, whom WMC meets for drinks IRL)
• "Abd claims to have scientific expertise"
  (Mathsci claims to be a scientist but his expertise is in pure mathematics)
• "Abd appears to be supported by a small tag team"
  (Mathsci's being a little larger)
• "My brief involvement on Talk:Cold fusion has been minimal and constructive"
  (16 edits, including "Abd's contributions here seem to be extremely skewed." "In view of his poor namespace editing record, my advice to Abd is to attempt to edit a non-controversial article on science in order to get more experience in handling scientific sourcing in a completely neutral context. That might be a valuable eye-opener." "Abd is not the person to lead discussions here.")

[Abd]

How incredibly boring, I come here looking for some real poop and nothing but Mathsci Math****ing, which, frankly, is of low interest. Nothing to inspire me to my usual walls-o-text. Wasted a few minutes. Here people complain about WMC for months or years, and when someone does something about it, like take a case to ArbComm that gets accepted, and has the -- ahem, well I do have five bio kids, which implies something -- to actually say the secret word, CABAL, in full view of the community, and this is all you can come up with? I'm ashamed. Mathsci, you have some weird inversion here. On-WP, you are dense with incivility, here, you are all pleasantries and smileys. Far out. People are more complicated than cartoons, or perhaps merely devious.

By the way, I do not consider posting of anonymous evidence and proposals at RfAr to be any kind of support. If nobody is willing to risk their "real" wikineck to say it, it's worthless, politically, and just makes the natives restless for no good cause.

This post has been edited by Abd: Mon 20th July 2009, 8:08pm

[Cla68]

How incredibly boring, I come here looking for some real poop and nothing but Mathsci Math****ing, which, frankly, is of low interest. Nothing to inspire me to my usual walls-o-text. Wasted a few minutes. Here people complain about WMC for months or years, and when someone does something about it, like take a case to ArbComm that gets accepted, and has the -- ahem, well I do have five bio kids, which implies something -- to actually say the secret word, CABAL, in full view of the community, and this is all you can come up with? I'm ashamed. Mathsci, you have some weird inversion here. On-WP, you are dense with incivility, here, you are all pleasantries and smileys. Far out. People are more complicated than cartoons, or perhaps merely devious.

By the way, I do not consider posting of anonymous evidence and proposals at RfAr to be any kind of support. If nobody is willing to risk their "real" wikineck to say it, it's worthless, politically, and just makes the natives restless for no good cause.

ABD, what do you want from the RfAR? For WMC to be banned or desysopped? Or neither? I personally feel that WMC shouldn't be an admin, because he's rude, condescending, arbitrary, and pushes POV. I don't, however, at this moment have the DIFFS to back this up because I haven't put in the hours to dig them up. If you want WMC's behavior to be corrected, you're going to need to put in the hours and present the evidence. It will probably take you a few days of work, but that's how it goes. Some participants here may help you out a little by posting incidents and diffs that they remember as they watch you work, but you'll need to get the ball rolling if this is important to you.

Also, if you're going to say that there is a cabal at work, you'll need to build your case with evidence.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Tue 21st July 2009, 1:53am

[Mathsci]

If you want WMC's behavior to be corrected, you're going to need to put in the hours and present the evidence. It will probably take you a few days of work, but that's how it goes. Some participants here may help you out a little by posting incidents and diffs that they remember as they watch you work, but you'll need to get the ball rolling if this is important to you.

Also, if you're going to say that there is a cabal at work, you'll need to build your case with evidence.

Isn't the case a little more restricted than you're implying? It's not an RfC on William M. Connolley.

This post has been edited by Mathsci: Tue 21st July 2009, 2:19am

[Abd]

Isn't the case a little more restricted than you're implying? It's not an RfC on William M. Connolley.

It isn't? Damn! I must be really confused. RfC RfAr, they both begin with Rf. But, yeah, the second has four letters. You're right, Mathsci! It's not an RfC, a toothless proceeding in itself.

It's an RfAr, which is the only process on Wikipedia which has the authority to remove the privileges of an administrator, and if it is found that WMC has acted while involved, and the claim of that is central to the RfAr, one of the options that ArbComm will consider is, indeed, desysopping. He's been warned for it before. And he continued to insist on his right to act, whereas JzG actually disconnected and abstained, mostly, with only a little sock he had for lunch in the middle of his RfC, after all, dragons do need to eat occasionally, and the sock surely asked for it by openly criticizing JzG.

I'm probably not going to be suggesting desysopping, though I might change my mind, I suppose. But do realize, Mathsci, that one of the arbitrators recused, suggesting he might comment. Take a look at which one, and then look at the RfC for GoRight. It might give you some clue, something which you apparently didn't pick up at the university. That's okay, for sure, hardly anyone does.

[Mathsci]

It might give you some clue, something which you apparently didn't pick up at the university. That's okay, for sure, hardly anyone does.

Grandad, I never left university, you silly oid codger. Did you forget your bran flakes this morning? Mind you, the kids these days do seem much brighter than all those loopy 60s Pasadena freshmen.

Too much dope I suppose. I blame it all on Princess Margaret. And John Profumo. And Yoko Ono.

I'd stick to gardening, dominos and bowls. They all work a treat in easing down that unwanted chip on the shoulder. It looks as if it's playing up again, doesn't it?

Camomile lotion might also help.

[Abd]

Grandad, I never left university, you silly oid codger.

Ah, that explains it! I did. Boy, did I leave. In good standing, I could have gone back, but .... there is a lot in the world that isn't very accessible in academia. Understatement.

Did you forget your bran flakes this morning?

No, very low-carb diet. Coffee and cream, mostly, heavy cream. Amazing fuel, very efficient.

Mind you, the kids these days do seem much brighter than all those loopy 60s Pasadena freshmen.

Yeah, we were really ruined by hanging out with Pauling, Feynmann, Mossbauer, et al. Those guys were iconoclasts, unlike too many academics these days.

Too much dope I suppose. I blame it all on Princess Margaret. And John Profumo. And Yoko Ono.

Too much dope? Oxymoron! Or is it oxy, moron? I'm a Muslim, you might never guess, but -- no dope, no alcohol. Coffee and prescription drugs, under supervision, allowed. Aren't I lucky? Paid for by Medicare. Great stuff, actually. Both.

I'd stick to gardening, dominos and bowls. They all work a treat in easing down that unwanted chip on the shoulder. It looks as if it's playing up again, doesn't it?

Nah. Look, young pipsqueaks like you imagine that they can understand someone with some depth, project all their own crap on others. You're making a idiot of yourself on Wikipedia, and, believe me, that's the part where I give you good advice. You deserve what you have wished for others, that's how the world works, and how it should work. It's perfect.

Camomile lotion might also help.

Nah. Don't need it. I'm not feeling what you think I'm feeling, you are living in your own fantasy world, a world I left many decades ago. Damn! I'm lucky. Lots of people never escape. In any case, if any of you are familiar with the Qur'an, not necessarily common here, I'm fulfilling my religious obligation, which is only to convey what I see, not to demand that anyone follow it. I'm sure that I'm often quite unskillful, but those who actually have some AGF in their hearts will get past that with some patience. As to the rest, I'm not responsible.

Thanks for sharing.

The thing is, WMC is the admin who responded to it, so the effectiveness of his remedial actions I would think would be one of the areas of scrutiny. That's why I'm asking ABD what he wants. He appears to be saying that he just wants someone to intervene in the situation.

No, I don't "want someone to intervene." Many editors have complained about WMC -- or the cabal. Okay, here is a chance to do something about it. Take it or leave it.

I can say this: a bunch of incoherent rants about WMC will not help. I'm not seeking to have WMC desysopped, but if others want to suggest that as a remedy, they may, but, then, it should be based on evidence of a continued pattern, not just the present case, probably, and I may not present that evidence, depends on whether I have time or not.

As to the cabal, relevance is tricky. They are going to try to crucify me over the cabal claim, which is only narrowly important so far, so it might be helpful to have testimony on that.

It's really up to anyone who reads this. Intervene or don't. Do what's right for the project. WP:IAR , however, is not just for WMC. It's policy, one of our best, properly understood.

[Mathsci]

In any case, if any of you are familiar with the Qur'an, not necessarily common here, I'm fulfilling my religious obligation, which is only to convey what I see, not to demand that anyone follow it.

OMG, Grandad, not another lecture on your crackpot views of the number nineteen.

Please spare us, oh verbose one, and lead us not into your walls of life-draining prose.

Remember that today is the holy day of Mary Magdalen,
She that in a boat, with neither rudder nor sail,
Came to these shores from the Holy Land
To end her days in a mountain cave,
After which she was conveyed thence
By flights of angels in the skies to
31 rue Gaston Saporta, Aix-en-Provence, 13100, Bouches-du-Rhone, CEDEX 9.

Lest we forget.

[Abd]

OMG, Grandad, not another lecture on your crackpot views of the number nineteen.

wow! Mathsci must be a follower of Rashad Khalifa, because who else would call an essay debunking Khalifa's theory of 0 modulo 19 patterns in the Qur'an "crackpot views"? Martin Gardner ended up using some of my work.

Thanks for the link, Mathsci, I haven't seen that essay for one very long time. Notice the post office box address. San Quentin is a tiny community of a few houses and a post office and a very large state prison. I spent a lot of time with lifers and various inmates. For a while we had a Saudi prince there, little mixup with an unpaid hotel bill. A very large unpaid hotel bill.

Nice people, compared to certain Wikipedia editors and administrators. Much nicer. Then again, there, I had a captive audience. But I listened a lot more than I spoke.

Please spare us, oh verbose one, and lead us not into your walls of life-draining prose.

Granted. Reading what I write has been, by decree of the Universal Benefit Council, prohibited for you. If you are tempted to violate this commandment, designed only for your blessing and welfare, contemplate the dog-vomit slime mold image at the top of my Talk page. Did you imagine that this was a joke?

From your behavior at RfAr, I suspect that you have read much more than the safe limit. Immediately, draw a bath and immerse your head in it for as long as you can.

If you can't draw a bath, then use a photo.

Here is what I've been seeing: we have editors who can't describe accurately what has just happened in full view, with a complete record available in history, but they imagine that they can write neutral encyclopedia articles. I've been reading a series of ArbComm decisions to identify cabal editors, it's been much clearer than I expected.

Very, very predictable opinions, but not just on, say, science, where similarities of views might be expected. On behavior, on Wikipedia principles and policies, and on opinions about the good faith or bad faith of other editors, it's like they are all being programmed from the same source. Zombies can march together without any leader, or, more accurately, anyone of them can function as a leader. One of them says something and the others go "Yeah!" "Me too!" "That's right!"

But what they agree on has been thoroughly rejected by ArbComm and the community, and they only get away with their crap because they mass together here and there. It's a losing battle, because someone like Raul654 creates sock masters right and left, which justifies his job. All it took was WMC, Raul654, and another admin who seems to be gone, in 2006, and presto! over 300 Scibaby socks, keeping Raul654 busy playing whack-a-mole. It's finally being confronted, arbitrators and others are realizing that the range blocks are playing havoc with the "encyclopedia anyone can edit," and it's actually being said, louder than a whisper, that Scibaby socks aren't that disruptive.

Mathsci, if you have read this far, you are not following instructions.

You are on the side of the losers, the cabal is defined by its anti-Arbcomm position, its firm belief in its own rightness, and its ruthlessness in dealing with dissent, and, in spite of all your work, you will find that you are unable to maintain it, you will be blocked and banned, sputtering all the while about those excellent articles. Much better editors than you, experts, have been banned. They may have known their topic, but they did not know people.

I'd like to fix that, retaining experts is a project, but you probably would not let me help you, and it may take some years before what I'm doing to become visible and effective. For you, I see no open doors, no windows, nothing penetrating the terrifying vacuum at the center of your psyche. Now, *I* need to stop reading or the dog vomit slime mold will eat *me*! It's a great pet to have in the corner, but it's a little dangerous.

This post has been edited by Abd: Wed 22nd July 2009, 4:24am

[Mathsci]

Thanks for the link, Mathsci, I haven't seen that essay for one very long time. Notice the post office box address. San Quentin is a tiny community of a few houses and a post office and a very large state prison. I spent a lot of time with lifers and various inmates. For a while we had a Saudi prince there, little mixup with an unpaid hotel bill. A very large unpaid hotel bill.

I will use this material for a BLP of Dennis Lomax on wikipedia.

Didn't they try to convert San Quentin into a luxury hotel?

Are you not, Sir, the most pretentious, snivelling, fawning, digging, flattering creature, that
ever upon this earth did walk, that ask such trifling questions with curled lip, furrowed
brow and false heart ...

What, Sir, is this Monstrous Lie you tell?

I think you just yelled "Balls!" at me, but with a little more style.

Monsieur, it would be "couilles" and I do thank you not to be putting these things into my mouth ! Putain.

This post has been edited by Mathsci: Wed 22nd July 2009, 7:28am