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| Kato |
Sat 5th September 2009, 1:29am
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dhd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 5,521 Joined: Fri 29th Dec 2006, 8:39pm Member No.: 767 |
A few months ago, I was arguing here with Slim about how, back in the old days, she and others were targeting just about anyone as being a LaRouchie, and I described the chaos that witchhunt had caused. I especially noted an incident when herself and long time user (and another anti-LaRouche figure) 172 (T-C-L-K-R-D)
discussed banning a totally innocent guy as a "New LaRouche editor" back in 2007.
Here is my post, Slim simply batted this incident off by not addressing it specifically - claiming that people weren't banned as LaRouchies without good reason. Not necessarily so. The whole LaRouche vs anti-LaRouche thing was a farce that had spilled out all over Wikipedia. Wholly unrelated people were getting threatened by Wikipedia powerplayers as "LaRouchies" on a regular basis. People saw it with their own eyes and have not been swayed by Hersch at this site. It was outrageous, and one of my first posts at this site was to highlight one such offense. In April, 2007, an editor went to SlimVirgin and Willbeback and wrote this about Mbhiii (T-C-L-K-R-D) : QUOTE(User:172) New LaRouche editor This looks quite familar now. [10] Like the last HK sockpuppet blocked by SlimVirgin, HonourableSchoolboy, this account has been editing articles that appear in my recent contributions history or are linked to my userpage. Sigh. 172 | Talk 19:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks. Sadly, by now I can spot LaRouche propaganda from a mile away. 172 | Talk 20:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC) The message to SlimVirgin has since been deleted. But the spirit of the message is typical. The accused had nothing to do with LaRouche, and his edits had nothing to do with LaRouche. Yet he was immediately attacked as a "New LaRouche" editor. A group of editors, led by SlimVirgin, and accompanied by anti-LaRouche campaigners Chip Berlet and Dennis King (whose Conflicts Of Interest were never questioned) were allowed to treat Wikipedia like an anti-LaRouche version of the McCarthy witch-hunts. Thus creating massive bad feelings and subverting the whole culture of the place. Well here comes the most ridiculous development yet. Having spent years orchestrating witch-hunts with Slim and Will against LaRouchies, former admin User:172 has himself been indefinitely banned by some lunatic administrator - on the declaration that he is the pro-LaRouche renegade Cognition (T-C-L-K-R-D) based on "checkuser evidence". So either User:172 was the most brilliant stooge account ever (going back to 2002), or WP's checkuser facitilities are so incompetent, it has convicted the Witchfinder General of being a witch! ![]() And to cap it off. Slim was right in the mix during these latest banning discussions which nailed 172! |
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| Kato |
Sat 5th September 2009, 3:45pm
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dhd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 5,521 Joined: Fri 29th Dec 2006, 8:39pm Member No.: 767 |
Slim reckons the black ops / stalking horse theory "was already discredited".
I'm not so sure. It still looks more credible than Slim's belief in the outrageous coincidence that 172 and his nemesis were both editing from the same terminal. Cognition's behaviour looks typical LaRouche and fakeable. Unless there is something in his profile that is simply too LaRouchesque for an imposter like 172 to fake, then surely the "black-ops" theory is the most likely? Hersch? |
Kato The idiocy and the irony Sat 5th September 2009, 1:29am
Malleus Who is this LaRouche character, and why should I c... Sat 5th September 2009, 1:42am
Kato
Who is this LaRouche character, and why should I ... Sat 5th September 2009, 1:47am
A Horse With No Name
Who is this LaRouche character, and why should I ... Sat 5th September 2009, 3:07am
gomi So either User:172 was the most brilliant stooge a... Sat 5th September 2009, 1:48am
No one of consequence
So either User:172 was the most brilliant stooge ... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:00am
Kato
[quote name='gomi' post='192782' date='Sat 5th Se... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:20am
No one of consequence
Get serious please. 172 was a liberal historian w... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:29am
One
Get serious please. 172 was a liberal historian w... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:44am

Kato
[quote name='Kato' post='192794' date='Sat 5th Se... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:54am

One
The only other credible explaination is that Co... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:00am

Kato
[quote name='Kato' post='192802' date='Sat 5th Se... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:11am

Somey I guess, on reflection and reviewing Cognitions... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:09am
Herschelkrustofsky
Get serious please. 172 was a liberal historian w... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:47am
One
Well here comes the most ridiculous development y... Sat 5th September 2009, 3:04am
Kato
[quote name='Kato' post='192778' date='Sat 5th Se... Sat 5th September 2009, 3:53am
One I remember 172 vaguely, and surveying his work ref... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:13am
Somey Possibilities suggested so far: 1) Cognition creat... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:27am

Lar
Don't forget the one where 172 and Cognition ... Sat 5th September 2009, 12:40pm

Kato
[quote name='Somey' post='192808' date='Sat 5th S... Sat 5th September 2009, 1:27pm


Herschelkrustofsky
No. The most likely explanation (amazing as it so... Sat 5th September 2009, 2:53pm


Somey First of all, the WP database definitely is f**cke... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:50pm


Kato
User:172 is clearly British, however
No, 172 i... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:18pm



Somey User:172 is clearly British, however No, 172 is (w... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:19pm



Kato
[quote name='Kato' post='192844' date='Sat 5th Se... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:23pm



dtobias
I will ignore. Convincing Wikipedia criticism is ... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:29pm



Somey I would disagree strongly there. No criticism tha... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:34pm



Kato
This is interesting because Cognition [url=http:/... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:43pm



LessHorrid vanU
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Well I'll criticise in my way, you in y... Sat 5th September 2009, 8:29pm



One
You know, maybe it is an outrageous coincidence. ... Sat 5th September 2009, 8:58pm



everyking
Everyking: do you think potentially-compromised a... Sat 5th September 2009, 9:57pm


No one of consequence
First of all, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:19am


tarantino
[quote name='Somey' post='192839' date='Sat 5th S... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:56am



MBisanz
[quote name='Somey' post='192839' date='Sat 5th ... Sun 6th September 2009, 2:39am


everyking
He was. He didn't reply.
This case is far t... Sun 6th September 2009, 2:02am



One
[quote name='No one of consequence' post='192885'... Sun 6th September 2009, 4:41am



gomi
Everyking, did you know that this 172/Cognition e... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:39am



Herschelkrustofsky
[quote name='One' post='192896' date='Sat 5th Sep... Sun 6th September 2009, 7:11am



TungstenCarbide
[quote name='gomi' post='192899' date='Sat 5th Se... Sun 6th September 2009, 9:24am


Kato
This case is far too simple for all this drama. ... Sun 6th September 2009, 7:37am


No one of consequence
What you should have done is either email 172 and... Sun 6th September 2009, 11:31am


Peter Damian
I agree it would have been less dramatic to block... Sun 6th September 2009, 11:33am



No one of consequence
I agree it would have been less dramatic to bloc... Sun 6th September 2009, 12:01pm



Kato Ok, so there are three options:
[b]Bad hand / Blac... Sun 6th September 2009, 12:15pm



No one of consequence
Ok, so there are three options:
[*][b]Bad hand / ... Sun 6th September 2009, 12:35pm



One
[*][b]Geographical coincidence. As both 172 and C... Sun 6th September 2009, 2:24pm



Kato
[list]
[*][b]Geographical coincidence. As both 17... Sun 6th September 2009, 2:40pm



One
[quote name='Kato' post='192927' date='Sun 6th S... Sun 6th September 2009, 2:53pm




Kato
[quote name='One' post='192935' date='Sun 6th Se... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:10pm



Kelly Martin Some dude selling badges edited WP on my current h... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:12pm




Kato
Some dude selling badges edited WP on my current ... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:20pm





Ceoil Who knows. To be fair to elaborate sock puppeteers... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:54pm




MBisanz
[quote name='Kato' post='192938' date='Sun 6th Se... Sun 6th September 2009, 4:32pm



No one of consequence
What does this mean though, "residential... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:47pm


Kato
What you should have done is either email 172 an... Sun 6th September 2009, 11:47am


Kelly Martin We did email him, he did not reply. It's Labor... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:03pm


One
You've managed to convince me that you're... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:06pm


GlassBeadGame The puppet-provocateur theory makes sense to me. ... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:18pm


Kato
The puppet-provocateur theory makes sense to me. ... Sun 6th September 2009, 3:37pm

taiwopanfob Here the simpler technical explanation points to a... Sat 5th September 2009, 2:30pm
Kato
I remember 172 vaguely, and surveying his work re... Sat 5th September 2009, 11:30am
One
It still looks more credible than Slim's beli... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:08pm
Hell Freezes Over
Cognition's behaviour looks typical LaRouche ... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:11pm

GlassBeadGame
Cognition's behaviour looks typical LaRouche... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:04pm

Kato
"Chip Berlet is a 5 cent thug in a long-rang... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:35pm

Random832 "Chip Berlet is a 5 cent thug in a long-range... Sun 6th September 2009, 7:53am
Herschelkrustofsky
Cognition's behaviour looks typical LaRouche ... Sat 5th September 2009, 8:47pm
It's the blimp, Frank Is it possible that there is a huge technical glit... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:01pm
MBisanz I don't know anything about the current player... Sat 5th September 2009, 4:30pm
Newyorkbrad
(background snipped)
Well here comes the most rid... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:18pm
Somey So it just seems to me that it might have been bet... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:24pm
Kelly Martin So it just seems to me that it might have been bet... Sat 5th September 2009, 10:31pm
everyking
If Cognition is the creepy-crazy LaRouchian who w... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:00am

Kelly Martin So you're saying you actually saw a LaRouchite... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:33am


MBisanz
So you're saying you actually saw a LaRouchit... Sun 6th September 2009, 6:21am


Cla68
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='192897' date='Su... Sun 6th September 2009, 7:00am

Herschelkrustofsky
So you're saying you actually saw a LaRouchit... Sun 6th September 2009, 6:58am
TungstenCarbide If Cognition is the creepy-crazy LaRouchian who we... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:41am
Somey For more background, there's this thread, whic... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:44pm
Kato The plot thickens.
Someone has corrected me on th... Sat 5th September 2009, 5:50pm
Somey This is interesting because Cognition [url=http://... Sat 5th September 2009, 6:19pm
The Joy Is there anyway for the CheckUsers to look at data... Sat 5th September 2009, 7:17pm
Grep There's another way in which CU results can gi... Sat 5th September 2009, 7:51pm
Somey There's another way in which CU results can gi... Sat 5th September 2009, 8:13pm
Kato
If anything, it's surprising Hersfold didn... Sun 6th September 2009, 12:24am
everyking From my perspective, the most ludicrous aspect of ... Sat 5th September 2009, 8:01pm
GlassBeadGame
From my perspective, the most ludicrous aspect of... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:36am
One You and SlimVirgin seem to disagree about what is ... Sat 5th September 2009, 10:01pm
Krimpet Assuming some folks at a meetup brought their lapt... Sun 6th September 2009, 6:23am
MBisanz
Assuming some folks at a meetup brought their lap... Sun 6th September 2009, 6:49am
Kato 172 said he was employed at a college in St Peters... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:12pm
No one of consequence
172 said he was employed at a college in St Peter... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:32pm
Kato
One appears to be residential (belongs to a commo... Sun 6th September 2009, 1:51pm
Moulton Why would an IP necessarily be marked as residenti... Sun 6th September 2009, 2:42pm
No one of consequence
Why would an IP necessarily be marked as resident... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:38pm
Kelly Martin Personally I'm leaning toward the "hijack... Sun 6th September 2009, 4:03pm
One Two identical IPs on two services and no other IPs... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:25pm
Kelly Martin Incidentally, I don't recall anyone here defen... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:43pm
One
It's not that I think you're wrong; I jus... Sun 6th September 2009, 5:49pm![]() ![]() |
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