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> Fundamental reform of Wikipedia, ideas wanted
Peter Damian
post Sat 12th September 2009, 12:04pm
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Wales gives you complete charge, and you have three fundamental reforms that you are allowed to implement.

What would those be? And what are the problems or abuses that each are supposed to address?

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Kelly Martin
post Sun 13th September 2009, 9:50pm
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I'd personally do away with RfA entirely; administrators would be appointed by an elected "administration committee" which itself is elected by secret ballot. I'd also recommend assigning different administrators different duty areas depending on competency and skills, possibly even breaking up the rights bundle accordingly.

I didn't address the content side in my earlier suggestions. Changes to deal with content issues would necessarily include:
  • Multiple parallel articles on the same topic. NPOV is fundamentally unworkable; the myth of "one truth, one article" is one of Jimmy's most toxicly stupid juvenile fantasies.
  • Some sort of prepublication review, at least on "controversial" topics including all biographies of living or recently deceased individuals. No article content edit sees the light of day without at least two sets of eyes on it, and at least one of those sets of eyes will be identified by a verified real name.
  • Named, identified, and verified subject-matter experts responsible for first-order content dispute resolution within those topic areas.
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KD Tries Again
post Mon 14th September 2009, 3:50pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sun 13th September 2009, 9:50pm) *

[*]Multiple parallel articles on the same topic. NPOV is fundamentally unworkable; the myth of "one truth, one article" is one of Jimmy's most toxicly stupid juvenile fantasies.


I think the idea that a statement is either true or false predates Wikipedia. This suggestion doesn't appeal.
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Peter Damian   Fundamental reform of Wikipedia   Sat 12th September 2009, 12:04pm
Nerd   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sat 12th September 2009, 1:08pm
Hell Freezes Over   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sat 12th September 2009, 1:23pm
Kelly Martin   All positions of authority (including GodKing) eit...   Sat 12th September 2009, 2:34pm
victim of censorship   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sat 12th September 2009, 3:45pm
Angela Kennedy   I would say "Thanks but no thanks Jim. You go...   Sat 12th September 2009, 3:58pm
Malleus   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have th...   Sat 12th September 2009, 6:41pm
victim of censorship   [quote name='victim of censorship' post='193793' ...   Sat 12th September 2009, 7:25pm
everyking   Wikipedia = fake, false, unreliable, unaccountab...   Sat 12th September 2009, 9:53pm
victim of censorship   Wikipedia = fake, false, unreliable, unaccounta...   Sat 12th September 2009, 11:26pm
Limey   1. To tackle content issues: Create an Editorial B...   Sat 12th September 2009, 4:17pm
KD Tries Again   1. To tackle content issues: Create an Editorial ...   Sat 12th September 2009, 5:33pm
Lar   More than three things are needed but since we nee...   Sat 12th September 2009, 4:47pm
TungstenCarbide   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sat 12th September 2009, 5:00pm
Emperor   1) Unban everybody and unprotect all articles. 2)...   Sat 12th September 2009, 6:49pm
The Wales Hunter   I find it hard to disagree with the points raised ...   Sat 12th September 2009, 6:53pm
Alison   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sat 12th September 2009, 7:38pm
The Wales Hunter   [*] BLP opt-out. No questions. Also, bring in th...   Sat 12th September 2009, 7:44pm
Malleus   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have th...   Sat 12th September 2009, 7:47pm
No Paste   1. Flagged revisions 2. Some form of review for ...   Sat 12th September 2009, 7:59pm
LessHorrid vanU   I agree with the general BLP opt out proviso, and ...   Sat 12th September 2009, 8:21pm
GlassBeadGame   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sat 12th September 2009, 8:27pm
The Wales Hunter   Why would anyone listen to what this vile monster...   Sat 12th September 2009, 9:01pm
GlassBeadGame   Why would anyone listen to what this vile monste...   Sat 12th September 2009, 9:04pm
LessHorrid vanU   [quote name='The Wales Hunter' post='193835' date...   Sat 12th September 2009, 9:31pm
Emperor   She's only joining the discussion to manipula...   Sun 13th September 2009, 1:45am
GlassBeadGame   She's only joining the discussion to manipul...   Sun 13th September 2009, 1:46am
Law   I would rid all Bio's dead and alive from WP. ...   Sun 13th September 2009, 4:33am
Peter Damian   Come to think of it, I think of WP like I do the ...   Sun 13th September 2009, 7:51am
anthony   Come to think of it, I think of WP like I do the...   Sun 13th September 2009, 2:42pm
Law   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='193902' date='Su...   Sun 13th September 2009, 9:57pm
A Horse With No Name   @PD - I know where you are going with this ;) I...   Mon 14th September 2009, 4:04pm
anthony   This needs to be split out to another thread, but....   Mon 14th September 2009, 4:32pm
Nerd   I would rid all Bio's dead and alive from WP....   Sun 13th September 2009, 2:15pm
CharlotteWebb   Splitting the admin function from the editorial f...   Sun 13th September 2009, 4:36pm
Limey   [quote name='The Wales Hunter' post='193835' date...   Sat 12th September 2009, 9:28pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='The Wales Hunter' post='193835' dat...   Sat 12th September 2009, 10:13pm
gomi   Most of these have been alluded to already, but he...   Sat 12th September 2009, 10:00pm
anthony   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sun 13th September 2009, 1:23am
Limey   I would rid all Bio's dead and alive from WP...   Sun 13th September 2009, 2:38pm
KD Tries Again   Splitting the admin function from the editorial fu...   Sun 13th September 2009, 4:30pm
A Horse With No Name   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have thr...   Sun 13th September 2009, 8:41pm
CharlotteWebb   2. Eliminate RfA and RfB and put in a standardize...   Sun 13th September 2009, 8:55pm
A Horse With No Name   2. Eliminate RfA and RfB and put in a standardiz...   Sun 13th September 2009, 8:57pm
CharlotteWebb   [quote name='CharlotteWebb' post='193958' date='S...   Sun 13th September 2009, 9:04pm
A Horse With No Name   Is the candidate's likelihood of following po...   Sun 13th September 2009, 9:27pm
Kelly Martin   2. Eliminate RfA and RfB and put in a standardized...   Sun 13th September 2009, 9:09pm
RMHED   I guarantee you that people would just take the t...   Sun 13th September 2009, 9:17pm
GlassBeadGame   Wales gives you complete charge, and you have th...   Sun 13th September 2009, 9:13pm
KD Tries Again   Or just ban their content? What's the merit i...   Mon 14th September 2009, 9:14pm
Kelly Martin   Or just ban their content? What's the merit i...   Tue 15th September 2009, 12:36am
Moulton   Nutcases actually have more standing than experts,...   Mon 14th September 2009, 9:17pm
EricBarbour   sorry, however........ :offtopic: Lots of people...   Tue 15th September 2009, 7:41am
victim of censorship   sorry, however........ :offtopic: Lots of peopl...   Tue 15th September 2009, 9:49am
LaraLove   First reform: Purge the servers, sell the IT equi...   Tue 15th September 2009, 12:36pm
Cedric   [quote name='victim of censorship' post='194264' ...   Tue 15th September 2009, 5:33pm
victim of censorship   [quote name='victim of censorship' post='194264'...   Fri 18th September 2009, 4:03am
Tarc   [quote name='Cedric' post='194322' date='Tue 15th...   Sun 20th September 2009, 4:48am
Dr. Blofeld   Block anon ip addresses. Make editors have to pass...   Thu 17th September 2009, 4:37pm
Dr. Blofeld   Definately the first thing would be to remove ...   Thu 17th September 2009, 4:48pm
thekohser   If somebody paid me $50 right now to go and ...   Thu 17th September 2009, 5:22pm
RMHED   Definately the first thing would be to remove ...   Thu 17th September 2009, 7:27pm
Milton Roe   Definately the first thing would be to remove ...   Thu 17th September 2009, 7:53pm
thekohser   Do the same for Carolyn Doran and I'll eat m...   Fri 18th September 2009, 2:44am
Lar   [quote name='Dr. Blofeld' post='194661' date='Thu...   Thu 17th September 2009, 9:52pm
gomi   here. Enjoy.]   Thu 17th September 2009, 5:03pm
Friday   1) Enforce one account per editor. Possibly using...   Thu 17th September 2009, 5:45pm
Dr. Blofeld   Thekohser. I'll see what I can do. Offhand doe...   Thu 17th September 2009, 6:17pm
Dr. Blofeld   Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...   Thu 17th September 2009, 6:52pm
thekohser   This is why I think [b][size=3]if Jimbo is seriou...   Thu 17th September 2009, 8:51pm
Dr. Blofeld   I've finished Sentimental Lady now check out h...   Thu 17th September 2009, 7:53pm
RMHED   I've finished Sentimental Lady now check out ...   Thu 17th September 2009, 8:26pm
Dr. Blofeld   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotized_%2...ood_M...   Thu 17th September 2009, 8:47pm
The Adversary   To return to the subject for a moment, a few small...   Sun 20th September 2009, 1:38pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   File under 'Fundamental reform' or viable ...   Fri 25th September 2009, 3:38pm
GlassBeadGame   File under 'Fundamental reform' or viable...   Fri 25th September 2009, 4:03pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   But in Wikipedia's case you need the Tom Sawye...   Sat 26th September 2009, 2:14am


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