The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

> General Discussion? What's that all about?

This subforum is for general discussion of Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. For a glossary of terms frequently used in such discussions, please refer to Wikipedia:Glossary. For a glossary of musical terms, see here. Other useful links:

Akahele.orgWikipedia-WatchWikitruthWP:ANWikiEN-L/Foundation-L (mailing lists) • Citizendium forums

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Hans Adler Comments on Wikipedia, From the Gerard Case last Nov, but really a general view
Milton Roe
post Thu 17th September 2009, 3:03am
Post #1


Known alias of J. Random Troll
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 10,209
Joined: Thu 28th Feb 2008, 1:03am
Member No.: 5,156

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...32#David_Gerard

Thus saith Hans Adler (T-C-L-K-R-D)

QUOTE(Hans Adler)


I am shocked that the committee show no willingness to accept this case. This is a unique chance to make it clear, once and for all, that Wikipedia values all contributors equally (especially those with special needs such as a complete lack of judgement or writing abilities). Elitism is against the core principles of Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit; consequently those who abuse their abilities by writing substantially more than their fair share of featured articles must be made to understand that they are suffered, not supported, by the community.

Some of these overusers of article space resources even go to great lengths to motivate themselves (and others of similar inclinations) by employing humour. This may be acceptable in some open source or open content projects, but not in Wikipedia. (A common misconception, resulting from the fact that not all infractions can be persecuted, is that humour is allowed within reason.) We are writing a serious encyclopedia, not some nerdy operating system. Moreover, anyone who uses humour in Wikipedia (and especially in project space) exhibits a severe lack of respect for those of their fellow editors who have no sense for it.

Checkusering as a means of intimidation is already a standard response to POV pushing and random article defacements. Prolific writing of content that cannot be improved is a much more dangerous, systemic, problem because it will eventually lead to the death of this project. It needs to be treated in the same way. I am concerned that Arbcom, unlike our checkusers, are not seeing the big picture. I urge the committee to accept the case and set an example. If the committee is afraid of banning Giano, I respectfully ask that at the very least he be de-adminned and his IRC and checkuser rights withdrawn. We are here to build an encyclopedia, not to finish it. --Hans Adler (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2008


N.B. My thanks to Fences and windows (T-C-L-K-R-D) for putting these in rule-form on a subpage, thus drawing my attention to them, since I read all subpages on WP. wink.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fences_a...ws_of_Wikipedia
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Dr. Blofeld
post Thu 17th September 2009, 4:28pm
Post #2


New Member
*

Group: Contributors
Posts: 37
Joined: Sun 30th Aug 2009, 8:36pm
Member No.: 13,284

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



evilgrin.gif Aye aye, "We are writing a serious encyclopedia, not some nerdy operating system". Delusions of grandeur...... Now try telling that to those who do nothing but expand the ever growing list of Pokemon charatcers and insist that we keep articles on lists of Power Rangers.... As long as wikipedia remains open to anybody to tamper with it, it is clearly never going to have any integrity. Pay professionals to write articles about solid encyclopedic subjects (which is not in self-interest like a company of self bio though) and we might get somewhere.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
gomi
post Thu 17th September 2009, 4:37pm
Post #3


Member
********

Group: Members
Posts: 3,022
Joined: Fri 17th Nov 2006, 6:38pm
Member No.: 565



"Prolific writing of content that cannot be improved ..." -- what in the world is that? Is he complaining about good writing? About well-researched and objective prose? Is this guy for real?

Looking back at Adler's contributions to knowledge, the most recent non-trivial edit to a page seems to be this, his personal, unreferenced, and unsupported opinion regarding the definition of eco-terrorism, a term (rightly or wrongly) well-defined by law-enforcement officials. So we have yet another sanctimonious prick using Wikipedia to push his own opinions on an unsuspecting world. Yeesh.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Sarcasticidealist
post Thu 17th September 2009, 4:40pm
Post #4


Head exploded.
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,662
Joined: Tue 22nd Jan 2008, 1:54am
From: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
Member No.: 4,536

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(gomi @ Thu 17th September 2009, 1:37pm) *
Is this guy for real?
He is. But his comments here are clearly made with his tongue other than in the middle of his mouth.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Milton Roe
post Thu 17th September 2009, 7:41pm
Post #5


Known alias of J. Random Troll
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 10,209
Joined: Thu 28th Feb 2008, 1:03am
Member No.: 5,156

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Thu 17th September 2009, 9:40am) *

QUOTE(gomi @ Thu 17th September 2009, 1:37pm) *
Is this guy for real?
He is. But his comments here are clearly made with his tongue other than in the middle of his mouth.

Yes. Please remember this entire statement is facetious/sarcastic. The comment "Moreover, anyone who uses humour in Wikipedia (and especially in project space) exhibits a severe lack of respect for those of their fellow editors who have no sense for it." should clue you, among many other things.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd 10 14, 6:35am