Are they all crazy at German Wikipedia?, Wondering after a specific incident Options

[A Horse With No Name]

Why don't y'all ban me from WR already, y'all hate me anyway.

I don't hate you. Not that I have a reputation for great taste or coherent judgment, but...I think you're welcome to swim around.

[Law Lord]

Wow, it seems said (anti-French) administrator (Wahrerwattwurm) has continued the discussion (after my ban) me with lots of comments/insults directed at me. How mature. He writes:

Alors, déconnes, LawLord. Obvieusement, tu n'as rien compris, et je te demande - au moment encore bienveillant - de fourrer ton nez ailleurs. Hier ist für Dich Sperrgebiet. -- Wwwurm Mien Klönschnack 20:12, 20. Sep. 2009 (CEST)
BTW: If your complete knowledge of France consists in „InterRail in Paris, Lille and Calais (1999). Conference in Cannes.“, do you really think you're able to give me any kind of advice?

Dif1 Dif2

So he has been looking at my user page and uses info from that for a personal attack. How mature. I guess those are the kind of people they have as admins on deWiki.

[Milton Roe]

Why don't y'all ban me from WR already, y'all hate me anyway.

And you are ... who?

[Somey]

...at least on the surface you seem to agree with LaRouche on this point:

I have warned against the silly, but popularized myth, the myth that it was France's preoccupation with the development of the Maginot Line which facilitated the German victory on that occasion. The rout of the greater part of France's military forces then, was chiefly the contribution of a pro-Synarchist "Fifth Column" inside the leading French military and other institutions, in the sense of the role of the "Fifth Column" which had just previously produced the victory of the fascist dictator Franco in 1930s Spain. The Synarchist influences from inside France's institutions left the gate wide open for what should have been considered the probable German course of action.

I dunno, that sounds like a failure to apply Hanlon's Razor to me. Besides, it wasn't so much a "preoccupation with the development of the Maginot Line" - they'd already developed it by the late 30's. For whatever reason, they didn't worry about the border with Belgium, and if that was because of a "Synarchist Fifth Column," well... it's not like I was there in person, but the "Petain was stupid, vain and arrogant" argument just sounds more plausible.

...That "Fifth Column" inside 1940 France was what is known as the same Synarchist International later represented by the regimes of Nazi-occupied France, as represented by the offshoot of Lazard Freres-related banking groups known as Banque Worms. This circle within France, had been the pivotal element of the post-Versailles Treaty drive toward the use of fascism as a tool for creating a globalized system, echoing the ultramontane imperial system of the Venetian financier-oligarchy and Norman chivalry, and also the Napoleonic model.

...And as for that part, it's hard to agree with something I can't even make sense of!

[Cla68]

...at least on the surface you seem to agree with LaRouche on this point:

I have warned against the silly, but popularized myth, the myth that it was France's preoccupation with the development of the Maginot Line which facilitated the German victory on that occasion. The rout of the greater part of France's military forces then, was chiefly the contribution of a pro-Synarchist "Fifth Column" inside the leading French military and other institutions, in the sense of the role of the "Fifth Column" which had just previously produced the victory of the fascist dictator Franco in 1930s Spain. The Synarchist influences from inside France's institutions left the gate wide open for what should have been considered the probable German course of action.

I dunno, that sounds like a failure to apply Hanlon's Razor to me. Besides, it wasn't so much a "preoccupation with the development of the Maginot Line" - they'd already developed it by the late 30's. For whatever reason, they didn't worry about the border with Belgium, and if that was because of a "Synarchist Fifth Column," well... it's not like I was there in person, but the "Petain was stupid, vain and arrogant" argument just sounds more plausible.

Well, from what I've read in books such as A War to be Won by Williamson Murray and Allen Millet, the Germans beat the French armies along the Belgian border basically because the Germans fought better. The Germans enjoyed better coordination and communication among their combined arms, including close air support, and had clear objectives and battle plans which were communicated effectively throughout their combat and support units. Even more importantly, at the small unit level, Wermacht noncommissioned officers appear to have been better trained and motivated. In general, the Germans displayed a decisive superiority in tactics such as mass and maneuver, attack and counterattack, exploitation of breakthroughs, etc. Firepower-wise, the adversaries were actually fairly evenly matched. The Germans won because they did a better job of using what they had.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Thu 24th September 2009, 6:00am

[Milton Roe]

It has impressed me greatly the generations of Germans since WWII have conducted themselves in a manner that is just about everything you could ask from a people whose nation has a recent past of horrible wrongdoing. As a society they have faced their past without avoiding blame or making excuses, readily acknowledging responsibility.

Though that in turn requires one to take it as read that an individual born after 1945 should take "responsibility" for the events of WWII (which is of course distinct from the responsibility to do their part to prevent such things from happening again)

Thus the "As a society" part. Compare this to the less admirable response of of white people in America in relation to racism and exploitation of black people. This is all the worse because unlike the devastation of WWII which had the practical effect of leveling away any gain German society had ever seen from their fleeting conquests, white people in America have never disgorged what was gained through exploitation. Currently any attempt doing anything to redress these historic wrongs and their lingering effects is decried as "reverse racism."

What "they" gained through historic wrongs? Which ones of them? I know all my ancestors in America right back to the first ones (I had one kicked out of Salem, Massachusetts along with with Roger Williams). All of them "Yankees." Most moved West early. Some with their own persecutee problems (see Mormon). None owned a slave. I cannot see that anybody got anywhere near Tara, that great mansion and plantation in Gone With the Wind. Before that, most of them came from England, Wales, Sweden. Where they didn't own slaves, either.

So where did my slavery benefits come from? How much do I owe?

And why must this stop at the American border, and in 1776? Slavery was a most curious institution. Actually when Gerald O'Hara wants some slaves for Tara, he doesn't usually go to Africa himself to capture them. Rather, they result from black-on-black warfare in Africa, the losers being transported to the coast by Africans, and only there sold to white people (often Portuguese) in the Atlantic slave trade. That was in the first half the 19th century. Before that, for a thousand years, about as many people were exported from Africa as slaves (10 million or so) but it was a collusion of Africans and Arabs. Recently, Barack Obama went to Africa and visited some of the relics of the later Atlantic slave trader era, and I don't know if he shed any tears, but if he did, it was probably because he recognized that his own ancestors were more likely to have benefited from African slavery economically than MINE were. I don't know what reparations he intends to pay to who for this-- but I'll bet he's planning to do it with my money, not his.

The truth about our distant ancestors is this: they were survivors. All we know about most of them is that they didn't die in childhood, and that they one-and-all managed to either father a live child or bare one. That's all we know. Probably a lot of them did some nasty things to the nonsurvivors, though. If the sum total of all these accumulated sins of stuggle between waring groups are all to be passed to the offspring, with no discount, and maybe interest, I'll bet this gives half of us the perfect right by now, to kill the other half, in clan warfare reparations.

The only problem is, which half are YOU in? Flip a coin.

I recommend the Desmond Tutu option to THAT. It's better.

[Law Lord]

I have finally gone back to that place and started the appeals process, which must begin with an appeal to the blocking administrator.

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=65483579

Comments on my German are welcome.

[Law Lord]

Well, they are crazy:
Unblock request denied

Maybe crazy is the wrong word. It just seems that the worst qualities of the German culture is very much centralized on deWiki; the result being a non-inclusive sectarian group. That aside, I think many of them are so far from perceiving reality and so far from understanding how other people must be treated that they would certainly benefit from medication.

I guess much of it can be attributed to the fact that people leave their manners behind when they go onto the Internet. Certainly, it that regard deWiki is not unique but rather one of many sad examples.

At least it is good as a test for the true moral standing of a person. So now I know that at least 3 editors and 3 administrators at deWiki need prison time learn how to behave towards other human beings. That knowledge does me little good when I am blocked. On the bright side: it would do me little good if I was not blocked.

I considered equating one or other to a NCO-rank in the SS, but that would just keep them in their disturbed ways.

[Guido den Broeder]

Note that the flagged revisions do not make a difference to people's behaviour on de:Wikipedia

There are just as many personal attacks, editwars, lynchings ect. as anywhere else.

In fact, compared to other WP's, the German community strikes me as even more immature.

[Law Lord]

In fact, compared to other WP's, the German community strikes me as even more immature.

Definitely. Not sure what they think they achieve by behaving like that.

Except to keep their sect a closed one and to prevent the general public from noticing their apparent need for medication.

[Moulton]

The Politics of Disempowerment

So now I know that at least 3 editors and 3 administrators at deWiki need prison time learn how to behave towards other human beings.

What prison teaches is that the best way to deal with those you don't get along with is to put them in prison.

In a game of chess, the best way to deal with a troublesome piece on the other side of the board is to take it out of commission.

[Law Lord]

The Politics of Disempowerment

What prison teaches is that the best way to deal with those you don't get along with is to put them in prison.

In a game of chess, the best way to deal with a troublesome piece on the other side of the board is to take it out of commission.

No doubt that is how the deWiki scum sees it. However, your description − while certainly true for many prisons − is more correctly a description for a concentration camp. Certainly that is the only way the deWiki scum would want a prison to be: a concentration camp. If they could they would not only block innocent people forever but also send them to special camps where they could do things with them.

When I used the term "prison" in my previous post, I meant the kind of prison where bad people are taught how to change their ways and taught the value of morals and honest and decent behaviour. That is the kind of prison I would deem appropriate for the deWiki scum.

[Moulton]

A prison is neither a church nor an institution of higher learning.

[Law Lord]

A prison is neither a church nor an institution of higher learning.

Finland actually has some success with their prisons and reforming the inmates.

[The Joy]

A prison is neither a church nor an institution of higher learning.

Finland actually has some success with their prisons and reforming the inmates.

Are you suggesting that the German Wikipedians should be Finnished off?

[Law Lord]

Are you suggesting that the German Wikipedians should be Finnished off?

That is exactly what I am suggesting!

[CharlotteWebb]

Are you suggesting that the German Wikipedians should be Finnished off?

That is exactly what I am suggesting!

−1 point(s)

The correct response is "So Suomi".

[Jacina]

1. Your entry was not sourced.
2. "Hans Diller was very popular in Denmark; in Danish his name means: his penis" Ignoring the completely awful German you used... that was just simply a retarded addition to the article if I may say so.

So basically you trolled an article, complained about it, then complained about a slight you perceived for another...

Yeah you're an idiot


Oh and your attempts at sourcing it, by way of suddenly having weird translations added to another open source translation wiki... well... nice try

[Law Lord]

Yeah you're an idiot

Your argument has such an amazing amount of maturity and insight that I am forced to concede the point.

With some proper research in the deWiki-archives I believe I have found your soulmate, and he/she writes:

Let's see: You hardly speak the local language, yet you traipse around waving unfounded allegations of “racism”. Since quite frankly, local affairs ain't any of your goddamn business, I'd most definitely call that “trolling”. And that's still ignoring the penile vandalism. I’d actually consider AGF in this case, but then your rampant overgeneralizations would quite clearly render you a half-wit lacking either a clue or a life. Get both. Elsewhere. —mnh·∇· 09:25, 16. Okt. 2009 (CEST)

Though admittedly the clarity of your brilliance is to be desired as the paramount example of the typical deWiki-user.

Cheers

[NotARepublican55]

(I am posting this here instead of the German forum, since my German is rusty and I prefer an outside view.)

I rarely (never) edit deWiki but a sudden piece of interesting information about the late Hans Diller came to my attention. As far as I could tell, an article on him was only present at deWiki.

I inserted the info (in German). A user reverted. I asked for the reasoning. None was given. It seems said user thought that it is good for the mutual respect that instead of participating in a discussen about an article, you write your admin friends in private and have them threathen anybody you disagree with.

So, asking again made this being entered on my user page:

Please stop your editing without references, which, by the way, looks like „on the wrong side of the enyclopaedic border“. And if you revert that again, I'd have to stop you by efficient means.

The poster was a German administrator, and he has a very anti-French image on his user page.

I posted a request on the bottom of his user page for the removal of said image:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Disk...hateful_content

This led to immidiate reaction by 3 different user, none of them adressing the issue but rather "shooting back" at me. The 3rd one write in German calling me a "troll" and stating I have no interest in "encyclopedic coopoeration" and asking for my immidate block.

Certainly, the culture at deWiki is very different from enWiki.



Any thoughts?

Cheers,
Law Lord

Yeah, it was stupid of you to whine about and "anti-french" image on an admin's userpage. Especially after getting warned by that admin - it made you appear a blatant troll.