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| sappho |
Sun 1st November 2009, 9:13pm
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Did anyone read this book yet?
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| Somey |
Mon 9th November 2009, 6:16pm
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Now, c'mon guys, it hardly seems necessary to cast aspersions on Mr. Dalby's means of publishing this particular tome - he's already established authorial credibility (he's published books before), and for all we know he's getting a better deal this way. Besides, it's a niche market - it's not like he's writing a spy thriller or a historical novel about sex-crazed teenage vampires.
Let's just be happy that The Cult of the Amateur got the support it did, and not worry so much about it. Self-publishing and small-imprint direct bookselling are probably the waves of the future, but that's not necessarily bad as long as people get paid once in a while. And like I was saying before, it isn't the publishing companies we should be concerned about, it's the editorial staffs those companies have assembled. |
| GlassBeadGame |
Mon 9th November 2009, 6:29pm
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Now, c'mon guys, it hardly seems necessary to cast aspersions on Mr. Dalby's means of publishing this particular tome - he's already established authorial credibility (he's published books before), and for all we know he's getting a better deal this way. Besides, it's a niche market - it's not like he's writing a spy thriller or a historical novel about sex-crazed teenage vampires. Let's just be happy that The Cult of the Amateur got the support it did, and not worry so much about it. Self-publishing and small-imprint direct bookselling are probably the waves of the future, but that's not necessarily bad as long as people get paid once in a while. And like I was saying before, it isn't the publishing companies we should be concerned about, it's the editorial staffs those companies have assembled. My concerns are not with open self publication. They are with creating the impression that something is vetted by someone with independent editorial judgment when that was not the case. This matters even if the editorial decision is commercial and not academic. I'm not certain that this is what has happened here but I would like Dalby to respond. If it is a legitimate publishing business, let him say so. If it was self publication and was never meant to fool anyone, let him say so. If it was an attempt to deceive I think he has something to answer for. |
| Andrew Dalby |
Tue 10th November 2009, 1:33pm
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If it is a legitimate publishing business, let him say so. If it was self publication and was never meant to fool anyone, let him say so. If it was an attempt to deceive I think he has something to answer for. I'm surprised by the unfriendly tone of this question ... but I don't mind answering. During the last ten years I've made a living by writing. It hasn't made me rich, but it has made me happier. When it came to this book, my impression was that publishers in Britain -- with whom I normally work -- weren't ready to see the importance and potential threat of Wikipedia and therefore wouldn't give it the priority I thought it deserved. I happened to discuss this with a couple of friends who (I didn't know this in advance) were intending to develop a publishing business. They decided they were prepared to make this their first book. |
| GlassBeadGame |
Tue 10th November 2009, 2:15pm
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If it is a legitimate publishing business, let him say so. If it was self publication and was never meant to fool anyone, let him say so. If it was an attempt to deceive I think he has something to answer for. I'm surprised by the unfriendly tone of this question ... but I don't mind answering. During the last ten years I've made a living by writing. It hasn't made me rich, but it has made me happier. When it came to this book, my impression was that publishers in Britain -- with whom I normally work -- weren't ready to see the importance and potential threat of Wikipedia and therefore wouldn't give it the priority I thought it deserved. I happened to discuss this with a couple of friends who (I didn't know this in advance) were intending to develop a publishing business. They decided they were prepared to make this their first book. Except that her email has posted elsewhere on the internet in promoting your book. In at least one such post she also included a phone number. That phone number belongs to someone who I assume is related to you. So these are not some friends who unbeknownst to you had an interest in publishing who saw the merit in your book. I gave you a chance to correct the record but you prevaricated further. I believe that Siduri was created solely to promote your book. Real publishers are not interested in your book because it is rubbish. Moderator note: Personal details removed as per request |
sappho The World and Wikipedia - Andrew Dalby Sun 1st November 2009, 9:13pm
Cedric
Did anyone read this book yet?
The fact that ... Mon 2nd November 2009, 4:25pm
Peter Damian
Note also that Dalby has had a Wikipedia account... Mon 2nd November 2009, 4:33pm
GlassBeadGame
Did anyone read this book yet?
The fact that ... Tue 3rd November 2009, 9:24pm
Cedric
[quote name='Cedric' post='202548' date='Mon 2nd ... Tue 3rd November 2009, 11:34pm
tarantino
[quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='202804' date='T... Wed 4th November 2009, 3:43am
Milton Roe
[quote name='Cedric' post='202830' date='Tue 3rd ... Wed 4th November 2009, 4:06am
A Horse With No Name I was planning to purchase a copy. It appears to ... Mon 2nd November 2009, 4:29pm
Peter Damian Some interesting material in his user space here
... Mon 2nd November 2009, 4:44pm
A Horse With No Name
Some interesting material in his user space here
... Mon 2nd November 2009, 4:56pm
thekohser
Law is not in the book, but ChildofMidnight and h... Mon 2nd November 2009, 5:13pm

Jon Awbrey
No mention of User:Wikipedia Review or User:Theko... Fri 6th November 2009, 8:30pm
grievous
This is a riot, considering who gets into the bo... Fri 6th November 2009, 7:59pm
EricBarbour Cast of characters, or the usual suspects?
That... Fri 6th November 2009, 8:38pm
A Horse With No Name
Cast of characters, or the usual suspects?
That... Fri 6th November 2009, 9:29pm
EricBarbour Some of the people on the list seem like peculiar ... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:53am

A Horse With No Name
I could answer you with my own question: Why are ... Sat 7th November 2009, 12:09pm

Happy drinker
I could answer you with my own question: Why are ... Sat 7th November 2009, 2:44pm

gomi I could answer you with my own question: Why are t... Sat 7th November 2009, 11:48pm
Andrew Dalby
[quote name='EricBarbour' post='203236' date='Fri... Sat 7th November 2009, 5:33pm
Andrew Dalby And of course the Review is mentioned at the cruci... Sat 7th November 2009, 6:37pm
Milton Roe
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='203240' ... Sat 7th November 2009, 7:58pm

Jon Awbrey
[i]sinophile
[size=7]ewwwww ¤ yuck ¤ :sick: Sat 7th November 2009, 8:10pm


Milton Roe
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='203372' date='Sat ... Sat 7th November 2009, 8:31pm


Jon Awbrey
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='203372' date='Sat... Sat 7th November 2009, 8:36pm

Andrew Dalby If your editor choices are meant to be illustrati... Sat 7th November 2009, 8:43pm


Jon Awbrey
In preparation, why not start a thread on Wikiped... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:00pm


Milton Roe
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='203372' date='Sat ... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:03pm


GlassBeadGame
If your editor choices are meant to be illustrat... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:31pm



Andrew Dalby
[quote name='Andrew Dalby' post='203380' date='Sa... Sun 8th November 2009, 2:48pm


Cedric
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='203372' date='Sat ... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:39pm

EricBarbour The book's real aim is to make non-Wikipedians... Mon 9th November 2009, 4:21am

Malleus
[quote name='Andrew Dalby' post='203355' date='Sa... Mon 9th November 2009, 4:43am


Cock-up-over-conspiracy ... but apart from that it was OK?
And, more to th... Mon 9th November 2009, 3:13pm

Andrew Dalby
Now that I've gotten that out of the way ....... Mon 9th November 2009, 1:41pm

Andrew Dalby
There's quite a bit of spluttering in your bo... Tue 10th November 2009, 1:47pm
the fieryangel
Tell me who you mean and I might tell you whether... Sat 7th November 2009, 11:47pm
Andrew Dalby
I think that you're cutting way too much o... Sun 8th November 2009, 2:35pm
the fieryangel
I think that you're cutting way too much ... Sun 8th November 2009, 2:51pm
Andrew Dalby
You were the one who selected these two sentences... Sun 8th November 2009, 3:32pm
the fieryangel
If you want more, Angel, you'll have to buy t... Sun 8th November 2009, 3:41pm

Andrew Dalby If Wikipedia Review is so boring, then what are yo... Sun 8th November 2009, 4:03pm

the fieryangel
If Wikipedia Review is so boring, then what are y... Sun 8th November 2009, 4:23pm
Milton Roe
There is a Taoist axiom: Think about Right and ... Sun 8th November 2009, 6:20pm
GlassBeadGame
[quote name='Andrew Dalby' post='203512' date='Su... Sun 8th November 2009, 6:51pm
Andrew Dalby
And I still don't know why you didn't nam... Sun 8th November 2009, 7:21pm
Peter Damian
As Wikipedia undermines and destroys other source... Sun 8th November 2009, 7:57pm
Andrew Dalby
[quote name='Andrew Dalby' post='203555' date='Su... Sun 8th November 2009, 8:29pm
A Horse With No Name
Now you're talking! Evidence not just fro... Sun 8th November 2009, 8:58pm
Andrew Dalby
[quote name='Andrew Dalby' post='203561' date='Su... Sun 8th November 2009, 9:45pm
Somey Wikipedia might be a reflection of the so-called ... Sun 8th November 2009, 9:53pm
A Horse With No Name
Wikipedia might be a reflection of the so-called ... Sun 8th November 2009, 10:46pm
Andrew Dalby
[quote name='Somey' post='203573' date='Sun 8th N... Mon 9th November 2009, 1:52pm
A Horse With No Name
True, but -- up to now -- general book publishing... Mon 9th November 2009, 2:01pm
SB_Johnny Welcome to WR, sappho. This your book, perchance? Mon 2nd November 2009, 5:58pm
sappho Actually it's not my book; I just happened to ... Tue 3rd November 2009, 10:39am
Cedric
Actually it's not my book; I just happened to... Tue 3rd November 2009, 1:20pm
A Horse With No Name
Funny, Dalby only mentions Keeper76 for closing a... Tue 3rd November 2009, 4:50pm
Limey I'm rather skeptical of a book only held in ei... Tue 3rd November 2009, 3:16pm
Cedric Having now read Slim Shanky's full review, eve... Tue 3rd November 2009, 4:31pm
Peter Damian
Having now read Slim Shanky's full review, ev... Tue 3rd November 2009, 4:43pm

CharlotteWebb
[quote name='Cedric' post='202750' date='Tue 3rd ... Tue 3rd November 2009, 5:07pm

Cedric
[quote name='Cedric' post='202750' date='Tue 3rd... Tue 3rd November 2009, 6:43pm
carbuncle
Having now read Slim Shanky's full review, ev... Tue 3rd November 2009, 7:13pm
Somey It was subtle, but did I detect a hint of self-ser... Tue 3rd November 2009, 8:49pm
thekohser Shankbone needs a proofreader:
Tue 3rd November 2009, 4:39pm
sappho I am rather sorry to have bothered you all - my in... Wed 4th November 2009, 3:02pm
carbuncle
I am rather sorry to have bothered you all - my i... Wed 4th November 2009, 3:35pm
Cedric
I am rather sorry to have bothered you all - my i... Wed 4th November 2009, 6:25pm
A Horse With No Name Smaller publishing houses run on rather thin margi... Wed 4th November 2009, 7:16pm
Somey So it's not a good idea to get an expert to wr... Thu 5th November 2009, 11:04pm
Peter Damian So it's not a good idea to get an expert to wr... Fri 6th November 2009, 8:19am
Peter Damian
So it's not a good idea to get an expert to w... Fri 6th November 2009, 1:11pm
gomi here in the Tar Pit.] Fri 6th November 2009, 6:53pm
EricBarbour Once again: I have Dalby's book.
It appears to... Fri 6th November 2009, 7:44pm
Cedric
Once again: I have Dalby's book.
It appears t... Fri 6th November 2009, 8:20pm
Andrew Dalby I thought I'd look in ...
The fact that ... Sat 7th November 2009, 4:33pm
the fieryangel
On this you're very wrong. I don't say th... Sat 7th November 2009, 5:05pm
Cedric
I thought I'd look in ...
[quote name='Cedri... Sat 7th November 2009, 7:00pm

Andrew Dalby
You may want to call your publisher-- it would a... Sat 7th November 2009, 7:50pm

Peter Damian
I'm puzzled too. I haven't yet explored t... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:45pm
thekohser
On this you're very wrong. I don't say th... Sat 7th November 2009, 10:03pm
Peter Damian Hello Andrew. I am intrigued to learn that there ... Sat 7th November 2009, 6:48pm
Jon Awbrey As long as you're Reviewing The Situation, Mis... Sat 7th November 2009, 7:36pm
Jon Awbrey Oh good, another n00b to splain it all to from scr... Sat 7th November 2009, 9:12pm
Moulton Wikipedia is such a corrupting influence on so man... Sun 8th November 2009, 3:16pm
Jon Awbrey
[quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='203384' date='Sat ... Sun 8th November 2009, 3:26pm
Andrew Dalby
[quote name='Andrew Dalby' post='203349' date='Sa... Sun 8th November 2009, 3:18pm
Moulton There is a Taoist axiom: Think about Right and Wr... Sun 8th November 2009, 3:23pm
Jon Awbrey Okay, I think I've read enough.
Like a trew b... Sun 8th November 2009, 10:22pm
EricBarbour Yeah, sure. (urp) Mon 9th November 2009, 10:12am
GlassBeadGame I was curious just how this drivel got published. ... Mon 9th November 2009, 2:13pm
thekohser
I was curious just how this drivel got published.... Mon 9th November 2009, 5:50pm
GlassBeadGame
[quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='203685' date='M... Mon 9th November 2009, 6:07pm
A Horse With No Name As someone who did book PR for many years, I am cu... Mon 9th November 2009, 6:00pm![]() ![]() |
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