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post Fri 6th November 2009, 3:52am
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post Tue 10th November 2009, 7:55pm
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Sat 7th November 2009, 1:42am) *

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If he ever did this before I don't remember it. Since August he's contributed 7 featured articles and nearly 30 good articles on scholarly topics. Fantastic content writer; here's wishing he were better with people. Let's give him a little breathing room.


How persistent and severe would Ottava have to be in his attacks on other editors before his conduct would be deemed intolerable? Do you think it's possible that Ottava has been doing all that constructive editing because he realizes that he'd otherwise be quickly banned? If he was restricted in some way that prevented him from trolling, he'd probably lose interest in editing altogether, which may in fact be essentially what happened this time.

How "persistent and severe" do your own attacks have to be before your conduct is deemed "intolerable"? Are you seriously proposing that anyone would work on 7 featured articles and 30 GAs just to avoid being banned?

You're way beyond crazy everyking.

Better than being a drama-mongering douchebag that doesn't contribute much of value to the project. WP certainly has a few of those as well.

Did I just call Ottava a drama-mongering douchebag? Maybe... but not necessarily.

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I think you are being way too cynical, I certainly wouldn't put the effort into contributing all that he does just so he can troll with impunity - of course, he might have realised he can be a troll as a side project in addition to the content which he seems to enjoy contributing. That said, I don't think he is particuarly trollish, just has a filthy temper and has discovered he can (up till now) make people back down by screaming harrasment. Frankly is you want to troll with impunity, either edit ED, go play on/b/ or become an admin, all of which are easier options that doing what he is doing.


It's more likely that the constructive editing is the side project and the trolling is the main event. After all, when confronted with the imminent likelihood of sanctions that would limit his ability to troll, he chose to leave and not write articles anymore. Doesn't that speak volumes about his priorities? Also, considering that he's a religious fanatic, I don't think playing around with a bunch of vulgar children would have much troll appeal for him.

This assumes that he doesn't genuinely believe he's been harassed. I talk to Ottava often in IRC, mainly because he's pings me incessantly and I rarely ignore such messages. Anyway, I can't tell, despite all these chats, exactly what's up with him. I do, however, believe that he seriously thinks he's been harassed. Whether or not it's the actual case, I haven't looked into it to be able to give an opinion. I also think he enjoys the drama, and I think he defends his enemies to keep them from attacking him later, and that he does what he can to form alliances that he thinks will benefit him in the future.

Now, whether he's highly intelligent and does all this as a game for his own amusement, or there's some sort of psychological issue that drives him to keep the drama turned to 11 at all times, I'm not sure about.

He gets in arguments over all sorts of things in IRC with people as well. I don't even recall all of the topics, but one lighthearted discussion of the apocalypse (where some of the boys in the room were discussing hypotheticals and possible strategies to survive), Ottava joined in and it eventually turned into a nasty discussion. Everyone else seemed to be having fun with it, but he disagreed with something and just... bad times. Another time there was a discussion about the differences between the affects of toxins and hallucinogens, and that got ugly too, and all of a sudden. Some random comment seemed to set Ottava off for no apparent reason and it just spiraled out after that.

Crazy shit, but whether it's actually crazy or him just being a troll, hard to tell. He also often seems not to realize when he's being trolled, but don't call him an Aspie. He'll freak out.
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,,, but don't call him an Aspie. He'll freak out.

I'd just look puzzled. What's an "Aspie"?
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 10th November 2009, 8:33pm) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 10th November 2009, 7:55pm) *
,,, but don't call him an Aspie. He'll freak out.

I'd just look puzzled. What's an "Aspie"?

Aspies. "[Aspies] often display behavior, interests, and activities that are restricted and repetitive and are sometimes abnormally intense or focused" could sum up about 95% of the people on Wikipedia, it has to be said.
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Coffee   Ottava leaves Wikipedia   Fri 6th November 2009, 3:52am
A Horse With No Name   "I am gone. I don't know when I will be b...   Fri 6th November 2009, 4:44am
everyking   I recommend a technical measure to ensure that he ...   Fri 6th November 2009, 4:59am
Anonymous editor   I recommend a technical measure to ensure that he...   Fri 6th November 2009, 5:42am
cyofee   Let's start a betting pool about Ottava's ...   Fri 6th November 2009, 6:03am
Somey   Let's start a betting pool about Ottava's ...   Fri 6th November 2009, 9:07am
A Horse With No Name   If you can manage to get through the whole entry,...   Fri 6th November 2009, 1:55pm
Jon Awbrey   For a project that supposedly encompasses 10.5 mi...   Fri 6th November 2009, 2:04pm
Wiki Witch of the West   Let's start a betting pool about Ottava's...   Fri 6th November 2009, 9:10pm
Jon Awbrey   [b][i]breathing room Godwin strikes again … ...   Fri 6th November 2009, 10:08pm
Wiki Witch of the West   [quote name='Wiki Witch of the West' post='203237...   Fri 6th November 2009, 11:02pm
everyking   If he ever did this before I don't remember i...   Sat 7th November 2009, 6:09am
Malleus   [quote name='Wiki Witch of the West' post='203237...   Sat 7th November 2009, 6:42am
Kelly Martin   How "persistent and severe" do your own ...   Sat 7th November 2009, 2:40pm
Malleus   How "persistent and severe" do your own...   Sun 8th November 2009, 4:02am
Kelly Martin   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='203332' date='Sat...   Sun 8th November 2009, 5:02am
Malleus   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='203332' date='Sa...   Sun 8th November 2009, 5:12am
SB_Johnny   Let's start a betting pool about Ottava's...   Fri 6th November 2009, 10:55am
Eva Destruction   Let's start a betting pool about Ottava's...   Fri 6th November 2009, 12:29pm
Kelly Martin   My money is on the theory that he's already re...   Fri 6th November 2009, 1:44pm
EricBarbour   Agreed--the Arbcom election is irresistible to him...   Fri 6th November 2009, 8:14pm
SB_Johnny   Just curious Durova: when did I become a steward? ...   Fri 6th November 2009, 11:10pm
Wiki Witch of the West   Just curious Durova: when did I become a steward?...   Fri 6th November 2009, 11:34pm
Tex   If Ottava is a decent page maker he should just go...   Sat 7th November 2009, 1:19am
A Horse With No Name   If Ottava is a decent page maker he should just g...   Sat 7th November 2009, 12:03pm
Coffee   My money is on the theory that he's already r...   Sat 7th November 2009, 1:38am
Viridae   If he ever did this before I don't remember ...   Sun 8th November 2009, 1:25am
everyking   I think you are being way too cynical, I certainl...   Sun 8th November 2009, 2:12am
GlassBeadGame   I think you are being way too cynical, I certain...   Sun 8th November 2009, 2:19am
Tower   Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is back...   Sun 8th November 2009, 9:30am
A Horse With No Name   Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is bac...   Sun 8th November 2009, 12:23pm
Cedric   Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is bac...   Sun 8th November 2009, 12:38pm
SB_Johnny   Anyway to come back to topic, I see Ottava is bac...   Sun 8th November 2009, 1:46pm
Casliber   If Ottava is a decent page maker he should just g...   Mon 9th November 2009, 1:11am
everyking   Since Ottava isn't really gone, the ArbCom sho...   Mon 9th November 2009, 7:30am
Eva Destruction   Since Ottava isn't really gone, the ArbCom sh...   Tue 10th November 2009, 12:33am
everyking   Case now open. An absolute humdinger of a piece o...   Tue 10th November 2009, 2:13am
Malleus   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='203780' date=...   Tue 10th November 2009, 2:18am
Somey   Most people are certified "crazy" by a q...   Tue 10th November 2009, 2:48am
Malleus   Most people are certified "crazy" by a ...   Tue 10th November 2009, 3:09am
Somey   So you're a qualified psychiatrist too. Fair e...   Tue 10th November 2009, 3:31am
Malleus   And Ottava, if you're reading this, forget eve...   Tue 10th November 2009, 3:40am
SB_Johnny   I understand your reluctance to accept this, Mr. M...   Tue 10th November 2009, 10:56pm
dogbiscuit   I think the most memorable case we had here was AB...   Tue 10th November 2009, 9:31am
Eva Destruction   I think the most memorable case we had here was A...   Tue 10th November 2009, 12:53pm
Peter Damian   (I think that was part of his problem on both WP ...   Tue 10th November 2009, 8:18pm
Moulton   By now, it should be recognized as an axiom that W...   Tue 10th November 2009, 4:07pm
Eva Destruction   Ottava took his unsolved problem from WP and reif...   Tue 10th November 2009, 5:07pm
Moulton   Moulton, did you just say something I agree with? ...   Tue 10th November 2009, 5:17pm
Milton Roe   Ottava took his unsolved problem from WP and reif...   Tue 10th November 2009, 9:09pm
Malleus   ,,, but don't call him an Aspie. He'll fre...   Tue 10th November 2009, 8:33pm
Friday   ,,, but don't call him an Aspie. He'll fr...   Tue 10th November 2009, 8:42pm
Malleus   Ah! I'm firmly in the Thomas Satz camp; ...   Tue 10th November 2009, 8:46pm
Friday   Ah! I'm firmly in the Thomas Satz camp; ...   Tue 10th November 2009, 8:47pm
Malleus   Ah! I'm firmly in the Thomas Satz camp; ...   Tue 10th November 2009, 9:20pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Friday' post='203957' date='Tue 10th...   Tue 10th November 2009, 9:46pm
Malleus   [quote name='Friday' post='203957' date='Tue 10t...   Tue 10th November 2009, 11:13pm
Milton Roe   Um, how do YOU know whether or not most behavori...   Tue 10th November 2009, 11:46pm
tarantino   Your analysis is also very simplistic, ignoring a...   Wed 11th November 2009, 12:55am
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tarantino   A causal relationship can be demonstrated to be s...   Wed 11th November 2009, 2:38am
Happy drinker   Burns smoked 10 cigars a day for 70 years and liv...   Wed 11th November 2009, 4:52pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Malleus' post='204028' date='Tue 10...   Wed 11th November 2009, 11:26pm
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everyking   [quote name='Newyorkbrad' post='204244' date='Thu...   Thu 12th November 2009, 3:01am
Malleus   At first I thought we had drifted hopelessly off-t...   Thu 12th November 2009, 3:33am
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