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EricBarbour
post Sun 20th December 2009, 10:59pm
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sun 20th December 2009, 2:38pm) *
I think that the only way to resolve this once and for all is to make opening an Arbcom case involving Giano a blockable offense with an automatic indefinite block.
....and yes, I'm serious here!

Good idea. Won't ever happen. They need and love their dramah too much. hrmph.gif
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post Sun 20th December 2009, 11:24pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 20th December 2009, 2:30pm) *

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And goodness knows there is no worse wiki-crime than tweaking ArbCom!


It sure pissed the hell out of Risker, leading to my infinite ban.


Naughty boy, tweaking Risker! evilgrin.gif
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post Mon 21st December 2009, 7:18am
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It seems from his statement that Giano apparently believes that Coren has formed a conspiracy with... the EEML to get him banned. Either that or he's just dropping that in there for good measure/outrage.

Yes, Cla's original question was the better one - also a lot harder to answer or address.
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post Mon 21st December 2009, 7:25am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 20th December 2009, 11:30am) *
QUOTE(gomi @ Sun 20th December 2009, 4:28am) *
And goodness knows there is no worse wiki-crime than tweaking ArbCom!
It sure pissed the hell out of Risker, leading to my infinite ban.

That "Re-spect my authorit-TA" goes on more than any reasonable person would think. One might conclude from it that ArbCom members are low-self-esteemed, insecure, teensy-dicked losers, but that would only be conjecture. I'm sure some of them use cream.

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post Mon 21st December 2009, 2:42pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 20th December 2009, 7:30pm) *

QUOTE(gomi @ Sun 20th December 2009, 4:28am) *

And goodness knows there is no worse wiki-crime than tweaking ArbCom!


It sure pissed the hell out of Risker, leading to my infinite ban.



Thanks, I removed the attack from the history.

(Oh wait, this thread isn't about you.)
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post Mon 21st December 2009, 3:26pm
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Mon 21st December 2009, 9:42am) *

Thanks, I removed the attack from the history.

(Oh wait, this thread isn't about you.)


Keep it up, Scott, and soon you'll have my edit count down to where I can't run for WMF Board of Trustees any more!
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post Thu 24th December 2009, 1:53pm
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To sum up:

Giacomo playfully compares (full) Rlevse to Randy From Boisie.
He then announces he is taking a well deserved vacation.
So Bang Bang Coren's silver hammer comes down upon his head, first with an indef block that is promptly undone, then with a shaky Arb case which is promptly rejected (Good call by Roger Davies there).

Meanwhile, David I Love You All Gerard calls the entire committee a bunch of kids and goes crying to his fairy Godwin-father threatening legal action (both a clear violation of WP:LEGAL and a favorite tactic of Scientologists) and not only does nothing happen to him, but one of the leading hands that slapped him resigns.

Yep, Giano gets favorable treatment alright...

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post Thu 24th December 2009, 2:20pm
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 1:53pm) *

To sum up:

Giacomo playfully compares (full) Rlevse to Randy From Boisie.
He then announces he is taking a well deserved vacation.
So Bang Bang Coren's silver hammer comes down upon his head, first with an indef block that is promptly undone, then with a shaky Arb case which is promptly rejected (Good call by Roger Davies there).

Meanwhile, David I Love You All Gerard calls the entire committee a bunch of kids and goes crying to his fairy Godwin-father threatening legal action (both a clear violation of WP:LEGAL and a favorite tactic of Scientologists) and not only does nothing happen to him, but one of the leading hands that slapped him resigns.

Yep, Giano gets favorable treatment alright...

Coren is a disgrace.
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post Thu 24th December 2009, 2:28pm
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 24th December 2009, 2:20pm) *

QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 1:53pm) *

To sum up:

Giacomo playfully compares (full) Rlevse to Randy From Boisie.
He then announces he is taking a well deserved vacation.
So Bang Bang Coren's silver hammer comes down upon his head, first with an indef block that is promptly undone, then with a shaky Arb case which is promptly rejected (Good call by Roger Davies there).

Meanwhile, David I Love You All Gerard calls the entire committee a bunch of kids and goes crying to his fairy Godwin-father threatening legal action (both a clear violation of WP:LEGAL and a favorite tactic of Scientologists) and not only does nothing happen to him, but one of the leading hands that slapped him resigns.

Yep, Giano gets favorable treatment alright...

Coren is a disgrace.


Agreed.
A recall of this social-climbing defective would be nice.
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post Thu 24th December 2009, 5:26pm
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 24th December 2009, 9:20am) *

Coren is a disgrace.


I think he is aware of that: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332950954
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 24th December 2009, 5:26pm) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 24th December 2009, 9:20am) *

Coren is a disgrace.


I think he is aware of that: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332950954

I doubt that Coren is even sentient, so he'll fit it quite nicely with the rest of Jimbo's chosen cronies.
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 9:28am) *

QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 24th December 2009, 2:20pm) *

QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 1:53pm) *

To sum up:

Giacomo playfully compares (full) Rlevse to Randy From Boisie.
He then announces he is taking a well deserved vacation.
So Bang Bang Coren's silver hammer comes down upon his head, first with an indef block that is promptly undone, then with a shaky Arb case which is promptly rejected (Good call by Roger Davies there).

Meanwhile, David I Love You All Gerard calls the entire committee a bunch of kids and goes crying to his fairy Godwin-father threatening legal action (both a clear violation of WP:LEGAL and a favorite tactic of Scientologists) and not only does nothing happen to him, but one of the leading hands that slapped him resigns.

Yep, Giano gets favorable treatment alright...

Coren is a disgrace.


Agreed.
A recall of this social-climbing defective would be nice.



Jesus, that underlyng proposal relating to ArbCom members actions is horribly written. Currently "uncontraversial actions" include "emergency actions" and "BLP issues" WP:NONCONTROVERSIAL is about to to be as far removed from ordinary meaning as WP:CONSENSUS. If the idea is provide some separation from enforcement and decision making this would be a good thing, but on WP everything is always reduced to muddy group think.
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post Thu 24th December 2009, 8:17pm
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 7:53am) *



Yep, Giano gets favorable treatment alright...


I think the point is that Giano gets favorable treatment relative to other regular editors - which he does. The fact that admins and certain insiders get favorable treatment relative to regular editors sort of goes without saying (I can't believe - no, wait, of course, I can - that this is still part of that page). Basically, this is an effort to make sure Giano understands his proper place as part of general riff raff. As such I don't think it's a step backwards or forwards - it's lateral.
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post Sat 26th December 2009, 6:59pm
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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 24th December 2009, 8:17pm) *

QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 7:53am) *



Yep, Giano gets favorable treatment alright...


I think the point is that Giano gets favorable treatment relative to other regular editors - which he does. The fact that admins and certain insiders get favorable treatment relative to regular editors sort of goes without saying (I can't believe - no, wait, of course, I can - that this is still part of that page). Basically, this is an effort to make sure Giano understands his proper place as part of general riff raff. As such I don't think it's a step backwards or forwards - it's lateral.


A lateral, I agree.
But I would argue that those who contribute or create quality, featured content are entitled to favorable treatment. What, aside from his own personal crusade against Scientology, has Davy Gerrard contributed content-wise to WP? Or Coren for that matter...

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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Sat 26th December 2009, 6:59pm) *

...What, aside from his own personal crusade against Scientology, has Davy Gerrard contributed content-wise to WP? Or Coren for that matter...

I still can't believe that Coren was re-elected having written only a single article, Ouimetoscope. I can't see any high quality work either.

I now see that Risker has only started two articles, 1973 (song) and James Blunt: Return to Kosovo. An old version of her userpage says that she has brought other articles up to FA quality.

(not that I can speak; I have no GAs or FAs, yet)
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Sun 27th December 2009, 3:40am) *

QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Sat 26th December 2009, 6:59pm) *

...What, aside from his own personal crusade against Scientology, has Davy Gerrard contributed content-wise to WP? Or Coren for that matter...

I still can't believe that Coren was re-elected having written only a single article, Ouimetoscope. I can't see any high quality work either.

I now see that Risker has only started two articles, 1973 (song) and James Blunt: Return to Kosovo. An old version of her userpage says that she has brought other articles up to FA quality.

(not that I can speak; I have no GAs or FAs, yet)


With some defense to Arbitrators, how can you have any time to do anything except Arb work? Even on a slow day with no new cases, amendments, or motions, you still have people e-mailing you, the Ban Sub-Committee, the Audit Committee, everyking wanting you to remove his restrictions, and the usual mob screaming for your blood. I'd be lucky to start a stub if I ever became an Arbitrator.*

*I couldn't be an arbitrator anyway, seeing as my "suspicious" wiki-gnome account got put on Johnny V's List of Shameful Editors (WP:LOSER) after voting on the recent arb election with "too few" edits despite my account's following of the election rules. angry.gif
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 27th December 2009, 10:06am) *

With some defense to Arbitrators, how can you have any time to do anything except Arb work? Even on a slow day with no new cases, amendments, or motions, you still have people e-mailing you, the Ban Sub-Committee, the Audit Committee, everyking wanting you to remove his restrictions, and the usual mob screaming for your blood. I'd be lucky to start a stub if I ever became an Arbitrator.


I appreciate that you distinguished me from "the usual mob screaming for your blood". laugh.gif
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Thu 24th December 2009, 9:28am) *
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Coren is a disgrace.
Agreed.
A recall of this social-climbing defective would be nice.

Please, we know that. Go into WP and tell THEM.
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 27th December 2009, 9:06am) *

With some defense to Arbitrators, how can you have any time to do anything except Arb work?

You make it sound like it is difficult to write a stub.

I can understand Arbs writing a little less new content whilst in the thick of case work, but some appear to have never got the hang of it.
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Coren was reelected because he has a strong lobby behind him (for fun, identify what that lobby is, and exactly what it is that they want). He really is what Wikipedia's community wants. People like everyking who constantly bray for a "more democratic process" should be careful what they ask for. smile.gif
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