Admin Hiberniantears wants your input, They asked nicely at my talkpage - so here it is... Options

[LessHorrid vanU]

Hiberniantears page for finding out if you like his sysopping. Apart from being a spambot and therefore unable to register on this site, if there are any comments you wish to make about the use of the admin flags by this editor then here is your opportunity to comment.

[Eva Destruction]

Hiberniantears page for finding out if you like his sysopping. Apart from being a spambot and therefore unable to register on this site, if there are any comments you wish to make about the use of the admin flags by this editor then here is your opportunity to comment.

Who? I don't know if the fact that I spent three years at the Heart Of The Cabal and have never heard of this guy reflects well or badly on him.

The Support section of his RFA reads like the Who's Who of Wikipedia's Fuckwits, though.

[Kelly Martin]

Wow. I honestly don't know what to think.

[Nerd]

The Support section of his RFA reads like the Who's Who of Wikipedia's Fuckwits, though.

Oh, thanks Iri! At least he had no opposes.

Why is it all the boring admins who actually get on with it without causing a fuss are the ones who care about their performance? You would never see a feedback page for an admin who regularly abuses their position.

[LessHorrid vanU]

The Support section of his RFA reads like the Who's Who of Wikipedia's Fuckwits, though.

Oh, thanks Iri! At least he had no opposes.

Why is it all the boring admins who actually get on with it without causing a fuss are the ones who care about their performance? You would never see a feedback page for an admin who regularly abuses their position.

Of course you have; it is called Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. I wouldn't say it was particularly effective, though...

[Somey]

Actually, I'm surprised Hiberniantears (T-C-L-K-R-D) hasn't been mentioned more often, though he was mentioned just recently (and somewhat negatively) in relation to the Kmweber (T-C-L-K-R-D) situation, and back in May some of his comments were discussed regarding the Flying Toaster RfA.

He seems to have an interest in Eastern Europe, Turkey, and the Ottoman Empire, and perhaps one could say geopolitics in general. I suspect he has a somewhat anti-Turkish POV in this area, though that's not necessarily bad... Though his username is a reference to Ireland, he's clearly American and appears to be something of a left-winger.

Hell, if it weren't for the officiousness and the occasional misspellings, he could almost be me!

[everyking]

I noticed he didn't have any lolcat pictures on his user page, which is a strike against him. He should ask this guy for help.

[Somey]

I noticed he didn't have any lolcat pictures on his user page, which is a strike against him. He should ask this guy for help.

Well, it isn't just the lack of lolcats - that user page is hideous. Then again, I suppose you could argue that a nicer layout would be "fussy" and thus contrary to the likely preferences of a non-narcissistic personality type.

[Eva Destruction]

Still no idea who this guy is, but this and this, followed by this "mommy you're not watching me" whine when it turned out nobody cared, isn't exactly endearing him to me. Here's my "constructive feedback", since you asked; yet another Shankbone-a-like attention whore who doesn't care what's being said, so long as it's being said about him. Well, you asked.

This post has been edited by Eva Destruction: Mon 28th December 2009, 12:51pm

[Nerd]

Still no idea who this guy is, but this and this, followed by this "mommy you're not watching me" whine when it turned out nobody cared, isn't exactly endearing him to me. Here's my "constructive feedback", since you asked; yet another Shankbone-a-like attention whore who doesn't care what's being said, so long as it's being said about him. Well, you asked.

He's getting desperate isn't he? I wonder why.

[Eva Destruction]

Still no idea who this guy is, but this and this, followed by this "mommy you're not watching me" whine when it turned out nobody cared, isn't exactly endearing him to me. Here's my "constructive feedback", since you asked; yet another Shankbone-a-like attention whore who doesn't care what's being said, so long as it's being said about him. Well, you asked.

He's getting desperate isn't he? I wonder why.

Twelve whole hours and still nobody cares. I predict a flouncing out soon; while it's one thing working out for oneself that this Very Important Position Of Responsibility is in fact a pointless charade and nothing you do makes the slightest difference, nobody likes to be told that by an outsider. The history of Wikipedia's users could be summarised in terms of "how long did it take to realize that nobody gives a shit?". And the history of Wikipedia's critics, come to that.

[Nerd]

Still no idea who this guy is, but this and this, followed by this "mommy you're not watching me" whine when it turned out nobody cared, isn't exactly endearing him to me. Here's my "constructive feedback", since you asked; yet another Shankbone-a-like attention whore who doesn't care what's being said, so long as it's being said about him. Well, you asked.

He's getting desperate isn't he? I wonder why.

Twelve whole hours and still nobody cares. I predict a flouncing out soon; while it's one thing working out for oneself that this Very Important Position Of Responsibility is in fact a pointless charade and nothing you do makes the slightest difference, nobody likes to be told that by an outsider. The history of Wikipedia's users could be summarised in terms of "how long did it take to realize that nobody gives a shit?". And the history of Wikipedia's critics, come to that.

Ched Davis helpfully pointed out Wikipedia:Administrator review.

Hiberniantears seems to have forgotten that it's vacation for many people, and also most people don't give a damn.

[Somey]

Hiberniantears seems to have forgotten that it's vacation for many people, and also most people don't give a damn.

I was gonna say! If you want people to pay attention to your latest screed, however worthy, don't post it between Christmas and New Year's.

Also, since there's been "offsite canvassing" in the form of this very thread, non-WR members who comment there might be suspected of having read this thread first, and by extension, suspected of visiting WR in general. They might not want to reveal that to other WP'ers.

[radek]

Somewhat on topic:

Anyone know how often the 'Open to Recall' option has actually been put in effect for some admin on that list (if ever) and resulted in a de-sysoping? And when it was put in motion, was the resulting process any less drama and pointlessness prone than a standard de-sysoping via AN/I or whatever would have been? Did the person go nicely or did they go kicking and screaming? Is it for realz or it is a facade, another one of those Wiki-hypocrisies where the whole collective pretends something is when it really isn't?

I can't think of a single instance but hell, 7 months ago I didn't even know what an "ArbCom" was.

[CharlotteWebb]

Anyone know how often the 'Open to Recall' option has actually been put in effect for some admin on that list (if ever) and resulted in a de-sysoping?

Very good question.

As far as I know the closest any admin has come to being successfully recalled was Navou (a.k.a. half a dozen other names).

I personally asked him for a recall a couple years ago and he said he required six signatures. Once other people agreed with me, he removed himself from the admin-recall category and declared all bets to be off. I'm not sure how many times he changed his mind about that as his pages were deleted but he continued this line of skulduggery for a several days but eventually opened a "recall" page after Durova threatened to disown him.

I believe he maintains that he resigned voluntarily (in response to the cratering of his arbcom bid a few weeks prior) with no cloud and not on account of any stinkin' recall, so the number of recalled admins is still zero by his count.

A little birdy told me this user has passed RFA again under a different name. If this is true it would arguably push the admin-recall tally to negative one.

But good for him. I don't really care anymore.

This post has been edited by CharlotteWebb: Mon 28th December 2009, 9:35pm

[everyking]

Very good question.

As far as I know the closest any admin has come to being successfully recalled was Navou (a.k.a. half a dozen other names).

I personally asked him for a recall a couple years ago and he said he required six signatures. Once other people agreed with me, he removed himself from the admin-recall category and declared all bets to be off. I'm not sure how many times he changed his mind about that as his pages were deleted but he continued this line of skulduggery for a several days but eventually opened a "recall" page after Durova threatened to disown him.

I believe he maintains that he resigned voluntarily with no cloud and not on account of any stinkin' recall, so the number of recalled admins is still zero by his count.

A little birdy told me this user has passed RFA again under a different name. If this is true it would arguably push the admin-recall tally to negative one.

But good for him. I don't really care anymore.

It's a fun game anyone can play.

Step 1: "I'm open to recall."

Step 2: "I'm open to recall, but only under certain conditions, which I get to define."

Step 3: "I'm open to recall, but you people don't meet the conditions to recall me."

Step 4: "I'm open to recall, as long as people don't abuse the process."

Step 5: "I'm not open to recall anymore. People are abusing the process and using it to harass me."

Step 6: "No one should be open to recall. After all, admins need to have a free hand to deal with miscreants..."

Wikipedia needs a community desysopping mechanism, not silly charades like that.

[Lar]

Anyone know how often the 'Open to Recall' option has actually been put in effect for some admin on that list (if ever) and resulted in a de-sysoping?

Very good question.

As far as I know the closest any admin has come to being successfully recalled was Navou (a.k.a. half a dozen other names).

Disagree.

See Wikipedia:Administrators_open_to_recall/Past_requests. In my view the least dramatic successful recall would have to be Crzrussian. That was a while ago now.

[Kelly Martin]

I think Somey's nailed our dear friend here. He missed being the center of attention the way he was when he was up for RFA. Why he hasn't run for RFB is beyond me, it's the obvious Next Step in the Ladder of WikiNarcissism.

[LessHorrid vanU]

Huh, same thing as happened when I ran for Reconfirmation for Adminship; all those people who bemoaned that no-one took steps to ensure that their use of the tools was still approved by the community accuse anyone who tries as being narcissistic... It may have been true in my case (which is why I am again referring to it, I guess) but you (WR habituees) could at least be consistent...

[trenton]

There seems to be a pathological need among some to be an admin. It's as if all of their self worth is tied into climbing the wiki-ladder. Navajo/Mercury/NonvocalScream is one comical case. There is another guy that he reminds me of. Wonder what happened to him. Probably a bureaucrat / on the arbcom by now.

I think Somey's nailed our dear friend here. He missed being the center of attention the way he was when he was up for RFA. Why he hasn't run for RFB is beyond me, it's the obvious Next Step in the Ladder of WikiNarcissism.

Indeed. Maybe he'll run for the board next.