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> How effective is checkuser?
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post Thu 31st December 2009, 1:16pm
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If I wanted to run several accounts how likely is checkuser to pick me up? If I changed my IP each time I logged on how would they trap me? How long to they log IP addresses for? Do they keep a permanent record of my account creation IP? Do they record me logging on but not editing? What other info do they store and for how long? All this info is needed purely for research purposes tongue.gif
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post Thu 31st December 2009, 5:20pm
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This site shows you in a readable way what your browser string and other "checkuser" information looks like. It leaves out one string, "referrer", which is what page you came from, which CU also includes, and a few HTTP headers like XFF (forwarded-for, which identifies proxies). Here is one that shows all the headers, but doesn't break out the browser string pieces. There are a million of these around the web.

This page documents the interface adequately.

The only open question is whether they retain the user creation IP forever. I think they do, but don't have any proof in the code, because I can't be bothered to go look at it.

Note also that nothing in Wikipedia's checkuser data retention policy will help you if a CU wants to salt away results in a file on his or her computer for months or years. Other than that, it would appear that CU data on en.wp is retained for 90-120 days.

There are Firefox add-ons for changing your browser string and your referrer. If you're going to sock, then use them.
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There are Firefox add-ons for changing your browser string and your referrer. If you're going to sock, then use them.


The only addition I would make is that if you are playing around with changing your browser string, also change your screen resolution to match each "user". Make it a little bit harder for them.

I would agree though that CU admins will:

a) lie if necessary
b) guess blind
c) get it complete wrong
d) defy all logic if necessary
e) keep copies of data for far longer than 3 months on home computers. I have seen Thatcher admit to this and he is amongst the more honest and principled of them. That would suggest to me that the less honest and principled of them are up to much worse.

Just understand that Pee-dia admins really don't have to care at all and some admins will throw blocks around anyway. They are into repression.

Its a game. You are likely to get caught out for other stuff. But it might be a good exercise to develop various characters if you are interested in developing your screenwriting, or investigative skills. Look upon it positively and make some good out of it.

Never hit that submit button in a moment of emotion. If you ever blow your own cover by not logging in ... just kill the operative ID and IP.

I hope you are using all this for something remotely ethical. The Pee-dia needs more ethical activists.
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Ather   How effective is checkuser?   Thu 31st December 2009, 1:16pm
anthony   If I wanted to run several accounts how likely is...   Thu 31st December 2009, 1:31pm
Krimpet   I wouldn't count on any information you recei...   Thu 31st December 2009, 1:58pm
Premier player   I wouldn't count on any information you recei...   Tue 5th January 2010, 12:54pm
Peter Damian   If I wanted to run several accounts how likely is...   Thu 31st December 2009, 2:28pm
dogbiscuit   I looked at some of this code and it is pretty im...   Thu 31st December 2009, 2:39pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Keep in mind that checkuser is frequently used to ...   Thu 31st December 2009, 3:05pm
White Knight   Keep in mind that checkuser is frequently used to...   Mon 4th January 2010, 3:46pm
Kelly Martin   It's my understanding that checkuser now also ...   Thu 31st December 2009, 4:47pm
dogbiscuit   It's my understanding that checkuser now also...   Thu 31st December 2009, 5:12pm
Krimpet   It's my understanding that checkuser now also...   Thu 31st December 2009, 5:34pm
gomi   ... since the technical know-how to read and inter...   Thu 31st December 2009, 5:36pm
Krimpet   [quote name='Krimpet' post='212801' date='Thu 31s...   Thu 31st December 2009, 5:40pm
anthony   For some reason Wikipedians get hyper-excited ab...   Thu 31st December 2009, 6:06pm
Krimpet   I can understand why they got rid of the feature ...   Thu 31st December 2009, 9:12pm
anthony   [quote name='anthony' post='212807' date='Thu 31s...   Thu 31st December 2009, 9:59pm
Ather   By the way, what's your license plate number...   Thu 31st December 2009, 10:13pm
CharlotteWebb   User-agent identification has been there for a pr...   Thu 31st December 2009, 8:42pm
gomi   This site shows you in a readable way what your br...   Thu 31st December 2009, 5:20pm
Peter Damian   The only open question is whether they retain th...   Thu 31st December 2009, 7:17pm
anthony   [quote name='gomi' post='212793' date='Thu 31st D...   Thu 31st December 2009, 7:28pm
MZMcBride   Really? Where's the database schema? I...   Thu 31st December 2009, 7:44pm
anthony   Really? Where's the database schema? I...   Thu 31st December 2009, 7:49pm
MBisanz   [quote name='MZMcBride' post='212818' date='Thu 3...   Thu 31st December 2009, 8:31pm
taiwopanfob   e) keep copies of data for far longer than 3 month...   Fri 1st January 2010, 3:13pm
No one of consequence   e) keep copies of data for far longer than 3 mont...   Mon 4th January 2010, 12:48pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   The retention limit is indeed philosophical rather...   Mon 4th January 2010, 4:22pm
Limey   If I wanted to run several accounts how likely is...   Thu 31st December 2009, 6:02pm
Jon Awbrey   The only thing you need to know about Checkuser is...   Thu 31st December 2009, 6:18pm
MZMcBride   I wrote a guide to socking, but it was deleted fro...   Thu 31st December 2009, 6:42pm
Ather   Hey guys, thanks for all the good advice. Some of ...   Thu 31st December 2009, 7:38pm
Peter Damian   I always take the opportunity to create a new soc...   Fri 1st January 2010, 2:33pm
Limey   Another quick thought - might a long lag time be...   Thu 31st December 2009, 8:20pm
Lar   It's not very effective at all.   Thu 31st December 2009, 9:19pm
Text   Poetlister, Mantanmoreland, and whoever else Th...   Fri 1st January 2010, 1:48am
MZMcBride   I received an e-mail from the Arbitration Committe...   Fri 1st January 2010, 7:51pm
Krimpet   I received an e-mail from the Arbitration Committ...   Fri 1st January 2010, 8:07pm
Lar   I received an e-mail from the Arbitration Committ...   Fri 1st January 2010, 9:34pm
MZMcBride   [quote name='MZMcBride' post='212934' date='Fri 1...   Fri 1st January 2010, 9:55pm
Lar   [quote name='MZMcBride' post='212934' date='Fri ...   Fri 1st January 2010, 10:48pm
Kelly Martin   I received an e-mail from the Arbitration Committe...   Fri 1st January 2010, 10:17pm
The Wales Hunter   I just wish Wikipedia would bit the bullet and a) ...   Fri 1st January 2010, 10:02pm
Nerd   I just wish Wikipedia would bit the bullet and a)...   Fri 1st January 2010, 11:01pm
LessHorrid vanU   If I wanted to run several accounts how likely is...   Fri 1st January 2010, 10:18pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   If you want to run several accounts to show how cl...   Sat 2nd January 2010, 5:10am
The Adversary   In certain contentious areas, banning/blocking edi...   Mon 4th January 2010, 4:56pm
SB_Johnny   It's hard to overstate how silly these guessin...   Tue 5th January 2010, 4:22pm
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