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post Fri 8th January 2010, 4:48am
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Can anyone recommend any sites that show step by step how to set up your own wiki encyclopaedia?
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post Sat 13th March 2010, 12:41am
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There are a very large number of considerations to make in order to create a viable Wikipedia rival. I started on a list of questions to consider a few weeks ago, but got sidetracked. Perhaps I'll publish it at some point.


Yes please do.


I'd like to shamelessly promote my own thoughts, which are sort of connected to this (see On Citizendium, which niftily is one of the top 10 google results for the search term "Citizendium"). Basically, I think that an effective Wikipedia rival is essentially impossible. In the post linked, I introduce the concept of the "paradox of Wikipedia" - that the same factors that make Wikipedia a successful web community and attract editors make it inherently unreliable and that the same things that make Wikipedia stronger as an encyclopedia weaken it as a web community.

I think that it's really impossible (without incredible financial backing) to beat Wikipedia by emphasizing the encyclopedia over the community. Citizendium tried to do that and has, well, failed. If you overemphasize the encyclopedia you lose the hordes of free labor that make Wikipedia work. I think it's also pretty much impossible to beat Wikipedia by going in the other direction - emphasizing the community aspects at the expense of the encyclopedia. Wikipedia already has enough problems as an encyclopedia, and (at least around here) no one wants an even less reliable version. If Interpedia were worth mentioning, it would be worth holding up as a failure that went too far towards community. That leaves the option of striking about the same balance as Wikipedia between encyclopedia and community (perhaps with some twists), but in this arena Wikipedia has all the power and momentum and (short of massive backing) your little project won't stand a chance.

You could always do something radically different - an entirely new paradigm, but then you probably wouldn't be asking about wikis.

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QUOTE(John Limey @ Fri 12th March 2010, 5:41pm) *

QUOTE(WikiWatch @ Sat 13th March 2010, 12:26am) *

QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 12th March 2010, 3:56pm) *

There are a very large number of considerations to make in order to create a viable Wikipedia rival. I started on a list of questions to consider a few weeks ago, but got sidetracked. Perhaps I'll publish it at some point.


Yes please do.


I'd like to shamelessly promote my own thoughts, which are sort of connected to this (see On Citizendium, which niftily is one of the top 10 google results for the search term "Citizendium").


It's actually the top three, but the WP article on Citizendium is #4.

Here's an article on why Sanger is growing tired of Citizenium and wants to leave.


http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/08/citiz...y-to-jump-ship/

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WikiWatch   Setting up your own wiki encyclopaedia   Fri 8th January 2010, 4:48am
wikademia.org   sure! great question! http://www.mediaw...   Fri 8th January 2010, 5:17am
wikademia.org   you do know about Encyc.org, right?!   Fri 8th January 2010, 5:28am
WikiWatch   you do know about Encyc.org, right?! Yes, t...   Fri 8th January 2010, 5:35am
WikiWatch   you do know about Encyc.org, right?! I don...   Fri 8th January 2010, 9:14am
Emperor   [quote name='wikademia.org' post='214331' date='F...   Fri 8th January 2010, 12:53pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   MediaWiki installation is not user-friendly at all...   Fri 8th January 2010, 2:16pm
thekohser   I don't think Encyc.org will challenge wikipe...   Fri 8th January 2010, 3:14pm
CharlotteWebb   Installation is fairly easy. Choosing a catchy dom...   Fri 8th January 2010, 5:42pm
anthony   Well, after two years, my site earns 0.000856% of...   Sun 14th March 2010, 12:28am
DawnofMan   Would someone just hurry up and create an alternat...   Sun 14th March 2010, 12:53am
Emperor   Would someone just hurry up and create an alterna...   Sun 14th March 2010, 3:03am
BelovedFox   [quote name='DawnofMan' post='226036' date='Sat 1...   Sun 14th March 2010, 3:44am
Emperor   [quote name='DawnofMan' post='226036' date='Sat ...   Sun 14th March 2010, 3:01pm
KD Tries Again   Would someone just hurry up and create an altern...   Sun 14th March 2010, 5:26am
thekohser   I don't like the citizendium model and am not...   Sun 14th March 2010, 3:29pm
anthony   [quote name='DawnofMan' post='226036' date='Sat 1...   Sun 14th March 2010, 5:33pm
thekohser   Well, after two years, my site earns 0.000856% o...   Sun 14th March 2010, 4:02am
Eva Destruction   [quote name='anthony' post='226033' date='Sat 13t...   Sun 14th March 2010, 9:21am
DawnofMan   Emperor, Your Wiki seems to suffer from some of t...   Sun 14th March 2010, 11:07pm
Emperor   Emperor, Your Wiki seems to suffer from some of ...   Sun 14th March 2010, 11:46pm
DawnofMan   Emperor, Your Wiki seems to suffer from some of...   Mon 15th March 2010, 1:01am
Emperor   If your idea of a great admin is someone who bloc...   Mon 15th March 2010, 2:52am
WikiWatch   I would like to thank Dan Tobias, Gregory Kohs, an...   Sat 24th April 2010, 7:42am
WikiWatch   Looks like Encyc has been swamped with vandals: h...   Wed 5th May 2010, 3:34pm
Emperor   I'm still quite fond of PmWiki. It's a ni...   Sat 9th January 2010, 4:13am
WikiWatch   Anyone recommend a decent web hosting service?   Fri 12th March 2010, 3:40am
dtobias   Dreamhost has built-in installations of MediaWiki ...   Fri 12th March 2010, 4:08am
WikiWatch   Dreamhost has built-in installations of MediaWiki...   Fri 12th March 2010, 4:35am
MZMcBride   There are a very large number of considerations to...   Fri 12th March 2010, 4:56am
WikiWatch   There are a very large number of considerations t...   Sat 13th March 2010, 12:26am
MZMcBride   [quote name='WikiWatch' post='225885' date='Sat 1...   Sat 13th March 2010, 2:43am
WikiWatch   Eventually, a moderately successful rival to Wiki...   Sun 14th March 2010, 9:16am
WikiWatch   I'd like to shamelessly promote my own though...   Sat 13th March 2010, 9:10am
John Limey   [quote name='John Limey' post='225888' date='Sat ...   Sat 13th March 2010, 10:31am
thekohser   Who the f*ck are you, "DawnOfMan"? Look...   Mon 15th March 2010, 2:22am


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