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Peter Damian
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QUOTE(radek @ Sat 9th January 2010, 6:33am) *

This is way old and way off topic but I've been noticing the header that "The German wikipedia is broken" ever since I showed up here and have always have had an itch to say...
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What's your criteria for "working well"?
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post Tue 9th February 2010, 2:28pm
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QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Sun 31st January 2010, 3:26pm) *

What's your criteria for "working well"?


Two good things it has are flagged revisions and stricter sourcing standards. Scholarly sources are preferred by policy; using media sources is only allowed if there are insufficient scholarly sources.

The German version of WP:V:

"Wo die Informationen herkommen, die in einen Beitrag der Wikipedia eingeflossen sind, soll erwähnt werden und dadurch nachprüfbar sein. Daher sind grundsätzlich wissenschaftliche Informationsquellen, insbesondere Standardwerke und Review-Artikel, die für das Fachgebiet des jeweiligen Lemmas relevant sind, zu bevorzugen. Dabei sollte darauf geachtet werden, möglichst aktuelle Ausgaben zu verwenden, um keine veralteten oder überholten Informationen in die Wikipedia einzuarbeiten. Außerdem sollte berücksichtigt werden, inwieweit diese Quellen in den akademischen Diskurs, etwa in akademischen Fachzeitschriften des betreffenden Themengebiets, einbezogen werden und welches Gewicht ihnen darin beigemessen wird.

Sind wissenschaftliche Quellen nicht oder nicht in ausreichendem Maße vorhanden, kann man auch andere Quellen, die als solide recherchiert gelten können, heranziehen. In Fällen miteinander in Konflikt stehender Aussagen ist wissenschaftlichen Quellen jedoch in der Regel der Vorzug zu geben. Zu beachten ist auch, dass fehlende Sekundärliteratur bei vielen Themen auf mangelnde enzyklopädische Relevanz hindeuten kann."


In terms of project infrastructure, they are behind the English WP, partly because they're smaller.
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post Thu 18th February 2010, 1:59am
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The German wikipedia is overly fascist. I'm not being facetious either.
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post Tue 23rd February 2010, 3:26am
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QUOTE(Yellow2010 @ Thu 18th February 2010, 2:59am) *

The German wikipedia is overly fascist. I'm not being facetious either.


Well put!


In my experience German people are very polite and tolerant. The opposite is true for the people at deWiki, whom I assume are Germans for the most part.

Really a shame, since people, who have never met Germans, might think that they are all like the morally and socially challenged ones at deWiki.
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post Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:18am
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QUOTE(Law Lord @ Mon 22nd February 2010, 8:26pm) *

QUOTE(Yellow2010 @ Thu 18th February 2010, 2:59am) *

The German wikipedia is overly fascist. I'm not being facetious either.


Well put!


In my experience German people are very polite and tolerant. The opposite is true for the people at deWiki, whom I assume are Germans for the most part.

Really a shame, since people, who have never met Germans, might think that they are all like the morally and socially challenged ones at deWiki.

They're either at your throat or at your feet. You've just met the ones at your feet. Put them in cyberspace and you get the other side of the coin. Hope it stays there (finally).

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QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Sun 31st January 2010, 3:26pm) *

What's your criteria for "working well"?


Two good things it has are flagged revisions and stricter sourcing standards. Scholarly sources are preferred by policy; using media sources is only allowed if there are insufficient scholarly sources.

The German version of WP:V:

"Wo die Informationen herkommen, die in einen Beitrag der Wikipedia eingeflossen sind, soll erwähnt werden und dadurch nachprüfbar sein. Daher sind grundsätzlich wissenschaftliche Informationsquellen, insbesondere Standardwerke und Review-Artikel, die für das Fachgebiet des jeweiligen Lemmas relevant sind, zu bevorzugen. Dabei sollte darauf geachtet werden, möglichst aktuelle Ausgaben zu verwenden, um keine veralteten oder überholten Informationen in die Wikipedia einzuarbeiten. Außerdem sollte berücksichtigt werden, inwieweit diese Quellen in den akademischen Diskurs, etwa in akademischen Fachzeitschriften des betreffenden Themengebiets, einbezogen werden und welches Gewicht ihnen darin beigemessen wird.

Sind wissenschaftliche Quellen nicht oder nicht in ausreichendem Maße vorhanden, kann man auch andere Quellen, die als solide recherchiert gelten können, heranziehen. In Fällen miteinander in Konflikt stehender Aussagen ist wissenschaftlichen Quellen jedoch in der Regel der Vorzug zu geben. Zu beachten ist auch, dass fehlende Sekundärliteratur bei vielen Themen auf mangelnde enzyklopädische Relevanz hindeuten kann."


This should be stuck up on SlimVirgin's wall. Achtung, meien damen. mad.gif
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post Tue 23rd February 2010, 9:10pm
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:18am) *

Achtung, meien damen.

What language is that? Do you mean

Achtung, meine dame?
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post Wed 3rd March 2010, 1:50pm
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QUOTE(Yellow2010 @ Thu 18th February 2010, 1:59am) *

The German wikipedia is overly fascist. I'm not being facetious either.


I note that Fossa was recently threatened with a series of blocks of increasing duration by User:Dab. for having a coloured signature. wtf.gif

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*Seufz* Da es offensichtlich im Guten nicht geht: Ändere bitte schnellstmöglichst deine Signatur zurück auf normal oder ich werde dich in aufsteigender Länge sperren; bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen - vielen Dank. --DaB. 18:33, 25. Feb. 2010 (CET)

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*Sigh* Since you won't take a friendly hint: Please change your signature back to normal as soon as possible or I will give you blocks of increasing length; please don't let it come to this - many thanks. --DaB. 18:33, 25. Feb. 2010 (CET) jawdrop.gif


Dab. is a founder member of Wikimedia Germany, according to his user page. yak.gif
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post Wed 3rd March 2010, 6:18pm
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QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 2:10pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:18am) *

Achtung, meien damen.

What language is that? Do you mean

Achtung, meine dame?

It's a general warning for journalistic ladies.
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post Wed 3rd March 2010, 10:08pm
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 6:18pm) *

QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 2:10pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:18am) *

Achtung, meien damen.

What language is that? Do you mean

Achtung, meine dame?

It's a general warning for journalistic ladies.

In that case, it should be Achtung, meinen damen.
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post Wed 3rd March 2010, 10:16pm
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QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 3:08pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 6:18pm) *

QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 2:10pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:18am) *

Achtung, meien damen.

What language is that? Do you mean

Achtung, meine dame?

It's a general warning for journalistic ladies.

In that case, it should be Achtung, meinen damen.

Yes. THAT was a typo. Actually I think I meant to write meine Damen.
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post Wed 3rd March 2010, 11:44pm
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 1:50pm) *

I note that Fossa was recently threatened with a series of blocks of increasing duration by User:Dab. for having a coloured signature. wtf.gif

Note: Readers should not confuse this user DaB with Dbachmann who, despite being a German-speaker (Swiss I believe) and signing as "dab", is a different person.
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post Thu 4th March 2010, 8:56pm
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 11:44pm) *

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 1:50pm) *

I note that Fossa was recently threatened with a series of blocks of increasing duration by User:Dab. for having a coloured signature. wtf.gif

Note: Readers should not confuse this user DaB with Dbachmann who, despite being a German-speaker (Swiss I believe) and signing as "dab", is a different person.


Good point. I doubt dab=Dbachmann would have a calligraphically rendered inspirational quote from Essjay on his user page. confused.gif

It's gratifying to know that there is at least one place on earth, somewhere in Hesse, where Essjay is still being being held in the highest regard, considered a role model even ... although it must be said that the calligraphic font and font size used in spelling his name on that user page is strictly speaking in breach of the German Signatur-Verordnung.

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At least the chainsaw appears to be working...
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 9th January 2010, 9:13am) *

QUOTE(radek @ Sat 9th January 2010, 6:33am) *

This is way old and way off topic but I've been noticing the header that "The German wikipedia is broken" ever since I showed up here and have always have had an itch to say...


: GERMAN WIKIPEDIA LIKE POLISH IS BROKEN, JIMBO NEVER GOT INVOLVED INTO ANYTHING I HAVE OVER 100 GERMAN EDITS BUT I HAD TO FIGHT FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM, NAZI GENES DONT DIE! laugh.gif

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Thu 4th March 2010, 8:56pm) *

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 11:44pm) *

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 1:50pm) *

I note that Fossa was recently threatened with a series of blocks of increasing duration by User:Dab. for having a coloured signature. wtf.gif

Note: Readers should not confuse this user DaB with Dbachmann who, despite being a German-speaker (Swiss I believe) and signing as "dab", is a different person.


Good point. I doubt dab=Dbachmann would have a calligraphically rendered inspirational quote from Essjay on his user page. confused.gif

It's gratifying to know that there is at least one place on earth, somewhere in Hesse, where Essjay is still being being held in the highest regard, considered a role model even ... although it must be said that the calligraphic font and font size used in spelling his name on that user page is strictly speaking in breach of the German Signatur-Verordnung.

: IN GERMANY IF U SPEAK POLISH THEY CUT YOUR TONGUE OUT, TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY...

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:18am) *

QUOTE(Law Lord @ Mon 22nd February 2010, 8:26pm) *

QUOTE(Yellow2010 @ Thu 18th February 2010, 2:59am) *

The German wikipedia is overly fascist. I'm not being facetious either.


Well put!


In my experience German people are very polite and tolerant. The opposite is true for the people at deWiki, whom I assume are Germans for the most part.

Really a shame, since people, who have never met Germans, might think that they are all like the morally and socially challenged ones at deWiki.

They're either at your throat or at your feet. You've just met the ones at your feet. Put them in cyberspace and you get the other side of the coin. Hope it stays there (finally).

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Tue 9th February 2010, 7:28am) *

QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Sun 31st January 2010, 3:26pm) *

What's your criteria for "working well"?


Two good things it has are flagged revisions and stricter sourcing standards. Scholarly sources are preferred by policy; using media sources is only allowed if there are insufficient scholarly sources.

The German version of WP:V:

"Wo die Informationen herkommen, die in einen Beitrag der Wikipedia eingeflossen sind, soll erwähnt werden und dadurch nachprüfbar sein. Daher sind grundsätzlich wissenschaftliche Informationsquellen, insbesondere Standardwerke und Review-Artikel, die für das Fachgebiet des jeweiligen Lemmas relevant sind, zu bevorzugen. Dabei sollte darauf geachtet werden, möglichst aktuelle Ausgaben zu verwenden, um keine veralteten oder überholten Informationen in die Wikipedia einzuarbeiten. Außerdem sollte berücksichtigt werden, inwieweit diese Quellen in den akademischen Diskurs, etwa in akademischen Fachzeitschriften des betreffenden Themengebiets, einbezogen werden und welches Gewicht ihnen darin beigemessen wird.

Sind wissenschaftliche Quellen nicht oder nicht in ausreichendem Maße vorhanden, kann man auch andere Quellen, die als solide recherchiert gelten können, heranziehen. In Fällen miteinander in Konflikt stehender Aussagen ist wissenschaftlichen Quellen jedoch in der Regel der Vorzug zu geben. Zu beachten ist auch, dass fehlende Sekundärliteratur bei vielen Themen auf mangelnde enzyklopädische Relevanz hindeuten kann."


This should be stuck up on SlimVirgin's wall. Achtung, meien damen. mad.gif

polite but wrong, big deal!
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post Thu 15th July 2010, 9:41pm
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 2:50pm) *

I note that Fossa was recently threatened with a series of blocks of increasing duration by User:Dab. for having a coloured signature. wtf.gif

The question has now been settled by an RfC.

User signatures featuring external weblinks, frames and coloured backgrounds are now verboten.

Signatures featuring images, or other font colours than the standard blue, remain "undesirable" per German WP:SIG, but not verboten.

57.9% voted against outlawing font colours in signatures, 42.1% voted in favour.

The votes on the use of images and the use of frames/coloured backgrounds were very tight; the proposed outlawing of images just failed to get a 2/3 majority in favour, while outlawing of frames/coloured backgrounds was implemented, based on 67.8% in favour.

So much for German libertarianism.
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Thu 15th July 2010, 2:41pm) *

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 3rd March 2010, 2:50pm) *

I note that Fossa was recently threatened with a series of blocks of increasing duration by User:Dab. for having a coloured signature. wtf.gif

The question has now been settled by an RfC.

User signatures featuring external weblinks, frames and coloured backgrounds are now verboten.

Signatures featuring images, or other font colours than the standard blue, remain "undesirable" per German WP:SIG, but not verboten.

57.9% voted against outlawing font colours in signatures, 42.1% voted in favour.

The votes on the use of images and the use of frames/coloured backgrounds were very tight; the proposed outlawing of images just failed to get a 2/3 majority in favour, while outlawing of frames/coloured backgrounds was implemented, based on 67.8% in favour.

So much for German libertarianism.

Ze last line was eine kleine Witz, ja?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 15th July 2010, 10:58pm) *

Ze last line was eine kleine Witz, ja?

It's funny that they go on the barricades for sexual content, but can't abide a signature with a frame around it. ermm.gif

I have to investigate what kinds of signatures the Dutch allow. Perhaps there is a correlation.
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It's funny that they go on the barricades for sexual content, but can't abide a signature with a frame around it. ermm.gif

I have to investigate what kinds of signatures the Dutch allow. Perhaps there is a correlation.

I saw a sig once on en.wiki that had alternating yellow and black bands like a hornet. I think we monkeys are primally geared to find that irritating, and they may have made that user take it down. It's the only color design per se I know of, that caused problems. The damn stripey ones mean poisonous editors! ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 15th July 2010, 5:20pm) *

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Thu 15th July 2010, 3:16pm) *

It's funny that they go on the barricades for sexual content, but can't abide a signature with a frame around it. ermm.gif

I have to investigate what kinds of signatures the Dutch allow. Perhaps there is a correlation.

I saw a sig once on en.wiki that had alternating yellow and black bands like a hornet. I think we monkeys are primally geared to find that irritating, and they may have made that user take it down. It's the only color design per se I know of, that caused problems. The damn stripey ones mean poisonous editors! ohmy.gif

Dude. I'm right here. hrmph.gif
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