AfD for Sexuality of Robert Baden-Powell, ...was the founder of the spanking boy scouts gay? Options

[the fieryangel]

Sexuality of Robert Baden-Powell (T-H-L-K-D) has been around since February, 2006. It was created by our old friend Haiduc (T-C-L-K-R-D) after some of his "pet" text was deleted from the main Baden-Powell article. Looking at Haiduc's first version, it is obvious that the article was created solely as a means of pushing his usual agenda of "pedophilia is normal".

The article is currently up for AfD. and wouldn't you just know it: here's our old friend Benjiboi (T-C-L-K-R-D) trying to rally the troops to save this valuable piece of knowledge :

This article (in various forms) has been up for AfD five times. Perhaps they'll flush it this time?

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

our old friend Haiduc (T-C-L-K-R-D) ... created solely as a means of pushing his usual agenda of "pedophilia is normal".

Anal Sex Anal Sex Anal Sex Anal Prolapse (Anal sex) Anal Sex Baden Power Anal Sex.

Nice collection of contributions. Very encyclopediac. The only time he took a break was to write about Cockchafers and even then it was to mention children playing with them.

Arseholes.

[the fieryangel]

our old friend Haiduc (T-C-L-K-R-D) ... created solely as a means of pushing his usual agenda of "pedophilia is normal".

Anal Sex Anal Sex Anal Sex Anal Prolapse (Anal sex) Anal Sex Baden Power Anal Sex.

Nice collection of contributions. Very encyclopediac. The only time he took a break was to write about Cockchafers and even then it was to mention children playing with them.

Arseholes.

Haiduc (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's main stomping ground is Historical_pederastic_relationships (T-H-L-K-D) where the "pedophiles are historical" thing is pretty much crammed down everybody's throat. The 20th century section is a disaster waiting to happen (can you say BLP?)...If you don't agree with Haiduc's view of "history", you obviously have an agenda. Pot, meet Kettle...

This stuff really needs to be flushed in a big way...

[Viridae]

Quote from the AfD:

In fact counter-arguments were agressively removed with editors (including me) being told to leave it alone so as not to upset the "gay lobby" (I always wonder whether that is the name for a room at the front of my house...).

Amused me.

[the fieryangel]

Haiduc doesn't appear to be taking this very well...

(Revert to early January version. The article has been twisted into nonsense AND THEN submitted to an AfD.)

He's removed the AfD tag with that...Let's just assume good faith here and suppose that it was an accident...and given the contents of the article, the photo of Powell with his wife and kids is rather...contradictory to the article itself...

The possibility that Robert Baden-Powell was not exclusively heterosexual is considered controversial[citation needed]

Yup, that sums it up pretty well...

[Viridae]

our old friend Haiduc (T-C-L-K-R-D) ... created solely as a means of pushing his usual agenda of "pedophilia is normal".

Anal Sex Anal Sex Anal Sex Anal Prolapse (Anal sex) Anal Sex Baden Power Anal Sex.

Nice collection of contributions. Very encyclopediac. The only time he took a break was to write about Cockchafers and even then it was to mention children playing with them.

Arseholes.

Haiduc (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's main stomping ground is Historical_pederastic_relationships (T-H-L-K-D) where the "pedophiles are historical" thing is pretty much crammed down everybody's throat. The 20th century section is a disaster waiting to happen (can you say BLP?)...If you don't agree with Haiduc's view of "history", you obviously have an agenda. Pot, meet Kettle...

This stuff really needs to be flushed in a big way...

He skates bloody close to the pro-pedophile agenda there. Im surprised he is still around.

[the fieryangel]

Haiduc does tend to stick to academic sources, of which there are more and more, for this type of discussion. The problem is that he has a tendency to interprete them to make them say things that they don't. Peter Damian has caught him doing this on occasion, as has Nandesuka and Risker. He usually gets warned, but continues doing the same thing.

Why he's allowed to continue is a mystery to all...


Haiduc is starting to really lose it in a big way.

:::'''Schrandit is right! There IS nothing of substance here any more since the article has suffered a hatchet job over the past few days. So how do you people have the nerve to come in, deface an article, and then submit the dregs for deletion??? This is the stratagem that you are trying to impose on Wikipedia, and you are trying to pull it off by ganging up on the article and bulldozing your way through it. Let's see if you succeed.''' [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] ([[User talk:Haiduc|talk]]) 13:15, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

And FURTHER MORE!

::::::'''EXAMPLE: Here is some of the original text:'''
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::::::::''While early works on the life of Baden-Powell tended towards the hagiographic[2], two modern biographers, Michael Rosenthal of Columbia University and Tim Jeal in his book Baden-Powell, have reached the conclusion that he was probably a repressed homosexual.[2][3] Baden-Powell "…consistently praised the male body when naked. At Gilwell Park, the Scouts' camping ground in Epping Forest, he always enjoyed watching the boys swimming naked, and would sometimes chat with them after they had just 'stripped off.'"[2] Jeal cites an account by Baden-Powell of a visit to Charterhouse, his old public school, where he stayed with a bachelor teacher and housemaster who had taken large numbers of nude photographs of his pupils. Baden-Powell's diary entry reads: "Stayed with Tod. Tod's photos of naked boys and trees. Excellent." In a subsequent communication to Tod regarding starting up a Scout troop at the school, Baden-Powell mentions an impending return visit and adds: "Possibly I might get a further look at those wonderful photographs of yours." (According to R. Jenkyns, the album contained nude boys in "contrived and artificial" poses.)[2]''
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::::::'''And this is what the "rescuers" have butchered it into:'''
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::::::::''Robert Baden-Powell's sexual orientation has been brought into question by two biographers, Michael Rosenthal[1][2] and Tim Jeal. They contend that Baden-Powell had homoerotic interests, based on their analysis of circumstantial evidence. [...] Tim Jeal in his 1989 book Baden-Powell claimed that Baden-Powell was a repressed homosexual.[4] Jeal based this on the fact that Baden-Powell had publically praised the nude male form and sometimes talked to boys that had stripped naked for swimming.[4] Jeal also cites Baden-Powell's praise of a friend's photos of naked boys.''
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::::::'''Jeal based his conclusions on FAR more than what you make him out to have done, and sets out years of research in hundreds of pages of evidence. But your "new" version grossly misrepresents Jeal and makes him sound like an imbecil. And THIS is what has been submitted for deletion? Who are you trying to fool?!''' [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] ([[User talk:Haiduc|talk]]) 13:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

So, how long before the banhammer comes down?

[Peter Damian]

We are forgetting that Wikipeida is a form of entertainment.

[the fieryangel]

We are forgetting that Wikipeida is a form of entertainment.

And this isn't entertaining?

It looks like an edit war is in the works....

[Peter Damian]

Why he's allowed to continue is a mystery to all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=283470618
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334027409

"For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian"

This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Thu 28th January 2010, 2:05pm

[A Horse With No Name]

And that whirring noise you hear is Robert Baden-Powell spinning in his grave.

[thekohser]

I didn't even know that Benjiboi was back at work, after a 5-week hiatus. My dinner mate last night informed me of Benji's return. I like how he elected to make his grand re-entrance, with an edit to the discussion on "List of male performers in gay porn films".

Seriously, don't these guys have any other male-oriented encyclopedic interests, like chemical elements, or rivers, or Civil War battles, or cigars, or wristwatches?

[the fieryangel]

I didn't even know that Benjiboi was back at work, after a 5-week hiatus. My dinner mate last night informed me of Benji's return. I like how he elected to make his grand re-entrance, with an edit to the discussion on "List of male performers in gay porn films".

Seriously, don't these guys have any other male-oriented encyclopedic interests, like chemical elements, or rivers, or Civil War battles, or cigars, or wristwatches?

(Benjiboi is obviously on the payroll for various gay porn studios, given his history of performing at promotional events for these sort of businesses...he should be topic banned from that area, given this COI)

Well, he's into altered Barbie shows and that sort of thing :



Be on the lookout for the Altered Barbie and Goatee Nation Project articles....

[papaya]

Well, if you want more to work from, there's always Category:Sexuality of individuals.

[thekohser]

Well, if you want more to work from, there's always Category:Sexuality of individuals.

Wow, that page is blocked by Websense at my office. I guess some information doesn't want to be as free as others.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Wow, that page is blocked by Websense at my office. I guess some information doesn't want to be as free as others.

Basically, it says only 12 people in history had interesting sex lives and they were all white authoritarian males. Including Michael Jackson.

[Tarc]

Wow, that page is blocked by Websense at my office. I guess some information doesn't want to be as free as others.

Basically, it says only 12 people in history had interesting sex lives and they were all white authoritarian males. Including Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson is white??? o_0

This post has been edited by Tarc: Fri 29th January 2010, 3:50pm

[The Joy]

Wow, that page is blocked by Websense at my office. I guess some information doesn't want to be as free as others.

Basically, it says only 12 people in history had interesting sex lives and they were all white authoritarian males. Including Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson is white??? o_0

Well, he started out black and then became white.

[CharlotteWebb]

Wow, that page is blocked by Websense at my office. I guess some information doesn't want to be as free as others.

That's odd. Well this is all it contains (no porn, no swear-words, no nothin'):

This category is for articles that focus on the sexuality of specific individuals.

==Pages in category "Sexuality of individuals"==
The following 11 pages are in this category, out of 11 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more).
* Alexander the Great's personal relationships
* Sexuality of Robert Baden-Powell
* Sexuality of David and Jonathan
* Sexuality of Adolf Hitler
* Personal relationships of James I of England
* Sexuality of Jesus
* Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln
* Personal relationships of Michael Jackson
* Relationships of Elvis Presley
* Sexuality of William Shakespeare
* Relationships of Frank Sinatra

There are in fact currently 11, so one might have disappeared in the past few hours. There is unfortunately no way to determine which one, unless cock-up happens to remember. Note: the "related changes" only shows recent edits to items currently in a category, not edits which removed members from a category (or removed the category from its members, technically). [edit: Oh, I get it. David and Jonathan count as two, never mind.]

I do notice one article missing from the category, to wit Paul McCartney's relationships and marriages. I'm not sure whether this is because Sir Paul is alive or because the relationships listed for him are uniformly hetero. Expressing my doubts that this page should exist, I once posted a thread about it here but got zero responses, so I guess nobody else really cares about it.

This post has been edited by CharlotteWebb: Sat 30th January 2010, 12:36am

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

[edit: Oh, I get it. David and Jonathan count as two, never mind.]

Thank you ... and, yes, the Jackson quip was a lyrical joke. "He's black, he's white ... it really does not matter" etc.

The Jackson article is another one. An almost perfect study of how Pee-dian consensus cannot and can never write encyclopediac content. The creation of a ping-pong match between hate merchants attempt to smear the man's reputation with as much trivial shit as possible, and pure faced Michael fan boys and girls unable to remove anything "because it is cited" but desperately attempting to defend his memory.

Personally, I never like the whole Jackson thing at all ... but that article it is as crap as it is horrible and painful to read, e.g. poor Michael being made to look up the skirts of women in clubs as a kid ... but saintly Michael not liking it at all.

As for Baden-Powell, and rubbin' dubbin onto one's woggle with boys in the woods, does not that link us back to the old boy scouts are for spanking fiasco?