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Tue 23rd February 2010, 3:25am
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In all its glory. This is a fairly mild proposal, not a whole lot less cumbersome than taking an admin to RfAr, and the biggest argument against it, in my opinion, is that it might be almost useless, but it is not worse than the status quo, and might be better, and might be improved on review, which is built into the proposal, so I supported it after some thought, even though there are aspects that are inadequate. The arguments against are featured prominently at the top of the RfC, authored by TenOfAllTrades, who has provided plenty of reason, in the past, that someone might want him removed. Right now, Oppose votes are leading, with many of them based on an impression that There Is Nothing Wrong, Everything Is Peachy Keen, I've Not Encountered Any Rogue Administrators, So If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It. Which is probably true for most Wikipedia editors. Until they do encounter one or a few. I just thought it was odd that this wasn't being discussed here, given, etc., etc.
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There's a balance to be struck. And arguably, the current means of removing an administrator have become too lenient. The Arbitration Committee is more than capable of handling actual administrator abuse. That isn't to say that the Arbitration Committee is competent, effective, or even necessary, but if there is actual and demonstrable abuse of the administrator position, this most recent Arbitration Committee and the group from 2009 have both made it clear they are capable and willing to remove bad administrators. This situation is the result of an evolution; the same things could not be said in 2008 or probably any year before that.
Succinctly, it makes very little sense to focus time or energy on a community de-adminship procedure when one simply isn't needed. But, hey, how else are you giving to fill an otherwise bland week?
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Abd Community de-adminship RfC enters voting Tue 23rd February 2010, 3:25am everyking Community de-adminship is the basic solution to al... Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:41am CharlotteWebb If participation in the above-described system bec... Tue 23rd February 2010, 5:57am  everyking
If participation in the above-described system be... Tue 23rd February 2010, 6:07am   CharlotteWebb
Impossible. I'd be surprised if you could fin... Tue 23rd February 2010, 6:18am    everyking
Impossible. I'd be surprised if you could fi... Tue 23rd February 2010, 7:24am  Somey If participation in the above-described system bec... Tue 23rd February 2010, 7:06am Doc glasgow
Community de-adminship is the basic solution to a... Tue 23rd February 2010, 9:24am  Lar
Would I get de-admined by such a process? Highly ... Tue 23rd February 2010, 11:46pm GlassBeadGame
Community de-adminship is the basic solution to a... Wed 24th February 2010, 2:06pm Zoloft Community... deadmin... pigs... flying... frozen..... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:49am victim of censorship
Community... deadmin... pigs... flying... frozen.... Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:24pm  Apathetic I haven't really reviewed this in great detail... Tue 23rd February 2010, 5:04pm   RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
I haven't really reviewed this in great detai... Wed 24th February 2010, 7:51pm Kevin The most insightful thing I read there was "W... Tue 23rd February 2010, 10:14am Abd The proposal is not a rigid voting process, and di... Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:22pm Jon Awbrey
The basic problem here is common with communities... Tue 23rd February 2010, 4:22pm Malleus I looked at the figures a couple of hours ago and ... Tue 23rd February 2010, 6:53pm Doc glasgow
I looked at the figures a couple of hours ago and... Tue 23rd February 2010, 7:40pm  Malleus
I looked at the figures a couple of hours ago an... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:20pm   GlassBeadGame
[quote name='Doc glasgow' post='223114' date='Tue... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:28pm    Jon Awbrey
But I agree it is pointless for the real reason. ... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:40pm   Doc glasgow
[quote name='Doc glasgow' post='223114' date='Tue... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:45pm    Malleus
I will oppose this and it will not be fear of acc... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:52pm     radek Voted against it, partly based on the expectation ... Wed 24th February 2010, 3:02am      Malleus I think there's some merit in the "let... Wed 24th February 2010, 3:10am       Jon Awbrey
I think there's some merit in the "let... Wed 24th February 2010, 3:38am        Malleus
I think there's some merit in the "let... Wed 24th February 2010, 3:52am         Jon Awbrey
I think there's some merit in the "let... Wed 24th February 2010, 4:08am     Jon Awbrey
I will oppose this and it will not be fear of ac... Wed 24th February 2010, 11:56am      Eva Destruction
It's been pointed out many times here that if... Wed 24th February 2010, 12:09pm       powercorrupts
It's been pointed out many times here that i... Wed 24th February 2010, 3:12pm       Jon Awbrey
It's been pointed out many times here that i... Wed 24th February 2010, 3:44pm        Abd The point is that the advertised philosophy grossl... Thu 25th February 2010, 3:47am         Jon Awbrey
The point is that the advertised philosophy gross... Thu 25th February 2010, 4:10am      Doc glasgow
[quote name='Malleus' post='223129' date='Tue 23r... Wed 24th February 2010, 2:46pm      Cock-up-over-conspiracy It's been pointed out many times here that if ... Wed 24th February 2010, 4:29pm       Jon Awbrey
[quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='223276' date='Wed ... Wed 24th February 2010, 4:36pm NuclearWarfare Malleus, would you like to rerun your check, this ... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:52pm Malleus
Malleus, would you like to rerun your check, this... Tue 23rd February 2010, 8:55pm powercorrupts Nakon has created this script on the CDA results t... Wed 24th February 2010, 10:43pm Abd The poll is intended to run for 28 days - I cant i... Thu 25th February 2010, 3:21am  Jon Awbrey
The real problem is that the community has no ide... Thu 25th February 2010, 3:32am   Abd The real problem is that the community has no idea... Thu 25th February 2010, 4:12am    Jon Awbrey
[quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='223401' date='Wed ... Thu 25th February 2010, 4:16am     Abd [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='223401' date='Wed 2... Thu 25th February 2010, 5:40pm Trick cyclist
Nakon has created this script on the CDA results ... Thu 25th February 2010, 1:02pm  SB_Johnny
[quote name='powercorrupts' post='223353' date='W... Thu 25th February 2010, 2:12pm  Eva Destruction
[quote name='powercorrupts' post='223353' date='W... Fri 26th February 2010, 7:14pm   Malleus
You have myself, Malleus, Johnbod and Mattisse in... Sat 27th February 2010, 12:41am EricBarbour Don't look at me, man. If I had to clean up th... Thu 25th February 2010, 3:28am Malleus
Don't look at me, man. If I had to clean up t... Thu 25th February 2010, 3:51am Jon Awbrey
Tanks for yet another Abysmally Boring Digression... Thu 25th February 2010, 5:52pm Abd
Tanks for yet another [b][font=georgia]Abysmally ... Fri 26th February 2010, 2:12am  Sxeptomaniac
Jon, many times you have "huffed" about... Fri 26th February 2010, 6:54pm Abd [/quote]Big images, huge type, to mask a total lac... Fri 26th February 2010, 2:46am  GlassBeadGame
Big images, huge type, to mask a total lack of co... Fri 26th February 2010, 9:15pm   Jon Awbrey
What a ugly and nasty little rant that say nothin... Sat 27th February 2010, 4:10am Sxeptomaniac I voted, partly as moral support for the idea that... Thu 25th February 2010, 7:14pm Jon Awbrey So, what is the current count on MB socks, anyway?... Fri 26th February 2010, 2:58am Somey So, what is the current count on MB socks, anyway?... Fri 26th February 2010, 7:26pm  Jon Awbrey
So, what is the current count on MB socks, anywa... Sat 27th February 2010, 3:38am   Eva Destruction
Oh, so you think that [font=georgia]Another [bots... Sat 27th February 2010, 10:17am    Jon Awbrey Abd is Abd ul-Rahman Dennis Lomax (dob 24 May 1944... Sat 27th February 2010, 2:22pm Eva Destruction Oh, the irony. Sat 27th February 2010, 3:16pm thekohser
Oh, the irony.
awwwWWWWkkk! Sick as a parr... Sat 27th February 2010, 9:35pm  RMHED
[quote name='Eva Destruction' post='223750' date=... Sat 27th February 2010, 9:41pm   Backslashforwardslash
That RFC, like all RFC's is an utter waste of... Sun 28th February 2010, 1:00am Jon Awbrey
Oh, the irony.
[i][color=mediumvioletred][font=... Sun 28th February 2010, 7:25pm One "Awbrey is opposed to consensus"
Uh, ye... Sat 27th February 2010, 9:47pm Jon Awbrey
"Awbrey is opposed to consensus"
Uh, y... Sat 27th February 2010, 9:56pm Abd "Awbrey is opposed to consensus"
Uh, ye... Sun 28th February 2010, 7:43am BelovedFox Well, I would have voted in support of the proposa... Sat 27th February 2010, 10:47pm SirFozzie
Well, I would have voted in support of the propos... Sun 28th February 2010, 12:37am  BelovedFox
Well, I would have voted in support of the propo... Sun 28th February 2010, 3:50am   powercorrupts
[quote name='SirFozzie' post='223839' date='Sun 2... Sun 28th February 2010, 9:28am    Abd Believe it or not, written on an iPhone. Long.
[qu... Sun 28th February 2010, 8:25pm The Joy Why not just create an Administrator Ethics Commit... Sun 28th February 2010, 3:53am SDJ I think every active administrator should have to ... Sun 28th February 2010, 6:19am everyking
I think every active administrator should have to... Sun 28th February 2010, 6:44am  GlassBeadGame
I think every active administrator should have t... Sun 28th February 2010, 1:28pm   SDJ
[quote name='everyking' post='223888' date='Sun 2... Sun 28th February 2010, 2:07pm    everyking
[quote name='everyking' post='223888' date='Sun ... Sun 28th February 2010, 3:41pm     GlassBeadGame
Well golly, I should change my vote, huh? :rol... Sun 28th February 2010, 4:07pm    Eva Destruction
I'd have to agree. There's no way I'd... Sun 28th February 2010, 4:41pm     The Joy
I'd have to agree. There's no way I... Sun 28th February 2010, 8:04pm     everyking
I'd have to agree. There's no way I... Mon 1st March 2010, 3:28am      CharlotteWebb
Can you identify which admin actions I've tak... Mon 1st March 2010, 6:10am       Doc glasgow
Can you identify which admin actions I've ta... Mon 1st March 2010, 9:22am        GlassBeadGame
[quote name='CharlotteWebb' post='224029' date='M... Mon 1st March 2010, 2:10pm       everyking
Can you identify which admin actions I've ta... Mon 1st March 2010, 8:30pm        Doc glasgow
[quote name='CharlotteWebb' post='224029' date='M... Mon 1st March 2010, 9:09pm         SB_Johnny
The only admins who would fail to get 35% of a vo... Mon 1st March 2010, 9:47pm          Doc glasgow
The only admins who would fail to get 35% of a v... Mon 1st March 2010, 10:01pm  taiwopanfob Similarly, it's a lot of unnecessary trouble t... Sun 28th February 2010, 2:26pm SDJ There are 888 active administrators, and about 900... Sun 28th February 2010, 6:54am SB_Johnny Oppose #87:
Nominators need to identify with th... Sun 28th February 2010, 5:04pm Eva Destruction Nobody seems to have mentioned this little attempt... Sun 28th February 2010, 7:11pm Malleus
Nobody seems to have mentioned this little attemp... Sun 28th February 2010, 11:27pm
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