Gary Weiss on the verge of a nervous breakdown Options

[WordBomb]

I'm told that all the recent tinkering with the article autobiography on Gary Weiss has put Weiss himself in a strange place, psychologically. He -- as Mantanmoreland -- has been begging many former allies for intervention and even asked ArbCom -- as Stetsonharry -- to be unbanned.

Of course, Stetsonharry was shown the door, but not before expressing his deep, DEEP, red-faced, vein-bulging, scowling disappointment.

Apparently it was Huldra's inspired addition of the Wikipuffery category that really set him off.

If had a devious side, it might suggest that just a little more improvement of the article (and it could certainly use more than a little improving) would yield some really interesting Weissian fireworks.

[Jon Awbrey]

The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-Pollyanna

You do all that work and still can't figure out that Wiki-Prevarica is that way because someone wants it that way.

Jon

[Abd]

The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-PollyannaYou do all that work and still can't figure out that Wiki-Prevarica is that way because someone wants it that way.
Jon

Well, I can forgive you. I've only said in this thread twice, now (once explicitly and once implicitly if you watch the source I gave, WordBomb's presentation), that it's that way because someone wants it that way. I'll say it again. The evidence is becoming strong that the problems of wikipedia are no longer accidental, even if they were that way originally.

The problems are because someone wants it that way.

Noticeable enough for you, Jon? You can stop beating your head against your own brick wall. Next time, if you have something cogent to say, try supporting it with evidence instead of just loudly proclaiming your conclusions. People who prefer evidence to be strong before concluding bad faith might be more inclined to listen.

[Jon Awbrey]

The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-Pollyanna

You do all that work and still can't figure out that Wiki-Prevarica is that way because someone wants it that way.

Jon

Well, I can forgive you. I've only said in this thread twice, now (once explicitly and once implicitly if you watch the source I gave, WordBomb's presentation), that it's that way because someone wants it that way. I'll say it again. The evidence is becoming strong that the problems of wikipedia are no longer accidental, even if they were that way originally.

The problems are because someone wants it that way.

Noticeable enough for you, Jon? You can stop beating your head against your own brick wall. Next time, if you have something cogent to say, try supporting it with evidence instead of just loudly proclaiming your conclusions. People who prefer evidence to be strong before concluding bad faith might be more inclined to listen.

I guess it's that attitude of continual wonderment that fools me.

Next Question —

Who wants it that way?

You've only had 5 to 10 years to figure that out …

Jon

[Milton Roe]

The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-Pollyanna

You do all that work and still can't figure out that Wiki-Prevarica is that way because someone wants it that way.

Jon

Well, I can forgive you. I've only said in this thread twice, now (once explicitly and once implicitly if you watch the source I gave, WordBomb's presentation), that it's that way because someone wants it that way. I'll say it again. The evidence is becoming strong that the problems of wikipedia are no longer accidental, even if they were that way originally.

The problems are because someone wants it that way.

Noticeable enough for you, Jon? You can stop beating your head against your own brick wall. Next time, if you have something cogent to say, try supporting it with evidence instead of just loudly proclaiming your conclusions. People who prefer evidence to be strong before concluding bad faith might be more inclined to listen.

I guess it's that attitude of continual wonderment that fools me.

Next Question —

Who wants it that way?

You've only had 5 to 10 years to figure that out …

Jon

It's actually not that easy to figure out. Jimbo doesn't know Gary Weiss, so how did Weiss get such special treatment, for so long?? The answer seems to be that he (as Mantanmoreland) did a complicated little dance to get into the good graces of SlimVirgin, who in turn did a complicated little dance to get into the good graces of certain high mucky-mucky wiki admins, back in the dark ages. So when Bagley wordbomb showed up, the system automatically stomped on him on behalf of Weiss, and the rest of the time was spent in a Watergate coverup of that screwup. In all of this, about a zillion times the effort was spent that should have been spent, mostly because nobody wanted to admit they'd screwed up. So it was all sort of like getting a person who'd been convicted of murder and sentenced to death, out of prison. Even if the evidence is very good, the system has this terrible inertia, because there's something operating that looks a lot like systemic embarassment, when it comes to error.

You wouldn't think institutions would have any emotions, but "embarassment at being caught in error" is probably the place they come the closest to being human. They don't love, lust, hate, or have any sense of humor, justice, or aethetic appreciation. They're not jealous or even proud. But greed and embarassment somehow shine through. In communist societies where individuals are not well-rewarded, even greed doesn't make it through the system, sometimes. But embarassment at being wrong is still left!