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post Fri 26th February 2010, 4:06am
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I'm told that all the recent tinkering with the article autobiography on Gary Weiss has put Weiss himself in a strange place, psychologically. He -- as Mantanmoreland -- has been begging many former allies for intervention and even asked ArbCom -- as Stetsonharry -- to be unbanned.

Of course, Stetsonharry was shown the door, but not before expressing his deep, DEEP, red-faced, vein-bulging, scowling disappointment.

Apparently it was Huldra's inspired addition of the Wikipuffery category that really set him off.

If had a devious side, it might suggest that just a little more improvement of the article (and it could certainly use more than a little improving) would yield some really interesting Weissian fireworks.
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post Sun 4th April 2010, 12:18am
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There has been no clean-up. I noticed JzG's involvement, a nice neutral sockpuppet report, simultaneously for two editors, basically Mantanmoreland and WordBomb, all wrapped up in one. Never saw that done before. Efficient, I suppose. But here is the problem: if you whack both sides, and nobody cleans up the mess, the article is left as edited by one side, and, mystery of mysteries, things seem to be left in a certain state.. When an editor doesn't like the state it was left in, the editor reverts back to "before the edit war." Taking no responsibility for the content. And, in fact, continuing an edit war instead of considering the content.

SPI/ WordBomb and Mantanmoreland. So where is the article left?

Examples of Smear Campaign

A single web site criticizing something isn't a smear campaign. This was obviously placed in the article pushing a smear agenda against the site operator, Judd Bagley, and Overstock.com. Overstock.com has been openly critical of naked short selling and certain people involved with it. The connection between Overstock.com and Bagley seems to have been well-known, probably open.

The sources are three:

(1) An article by Roddy Boyd in the New York Post, whom Bagley effectively skewers in his slide show. Boyd does not call ASM's "war against its critics," a "smear campaign." Does not support the text.

(2) A 2007 commentary by Susan Antilla on Bloomberg.com. It does not call this a "smear campaign." It says, "The recent Google attack on Weiss [an ad directing searchers to the ASM web site] is but the latest example of the public relations path Overstock and Bagley have taken to wage their bizarre battle against naked shorts."

(3) A 2007 New York Times article, not linked in the reference, here it is.

Note that in these sources we see that "attacks" on Weiss are notable. Are they covered in the Weiss article? Why not?

The New York Times article is pretty neutral, as far as I can see. It is pretty hard on Weiss. Coverage on Weiss is funny as hell:
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Beyond calling the accusations “lies,” Mr. Weiss hasn’t addressed most of the details of the site’s “findings,” though he denied having edited Wikipedia entries under a pseudonym. Instead, he pointed out that Mr. Byrne has himself posted under pseudonyms on various message boards.
People use pseudonyms: that, itself, isn't necessarily offensive. Using them to create an impression of support is. And, of course, Weiss was ultimately found by such a wide consensus to be editing Wikipedia under a pseudonym that he stands exposed here as a bald-faced liar. I have seen some statements from Bagley that might have been inadequately "proven," but no lies, so far. He was right in his claims, the ones that Mantamoreland/Samiharris/Weiss was denying.

This item in Smear campaign is a blatant travesty, a misrepresentation of what's in the sources, as is easy to find. So why does it wait for me to find it? My guess is that others know this, and are intimidated. Or banned. Or like it that way.

Who put this in? How about a guess? It's a really easy question! The answer..

Really interesting: the same pattern with the references, was there in the beginning, that two cites had links and one, the New York Times article, is missing a link, making it much less likely to be checked. That's the one source that really treated Weiss as on the attack, himself, and quoted his denial of sock puppetry. This was put in, June 3, 2007, and there it stands. Blatant POV-pushing, part of, ironically, a smear campaign.

Supported by Wikipedia. Given all that time and all the incredible fuss over Mantanmoreland/Samiharris, did anyone care about the content?

JzG restored the POV attack on Overstock.com, edit summary (Reverted to revision 337202894 by Penbat; Restore to last known version before offsite WP:BATTLE particiapants came along..) Not. That would have been back in 2007.

This article was not covered by the article probation implemented by ArbComm. To find the biased edit would have taken a review of the extensive contributions of Mantanmoreland and Samiharris et al. Short of that, users in conflict could be relied upon to find POV text! The policy that banned user contributions should be simply ignored is one that refuses to take advantage of their specific knowledge of the topic. I've argued that self-reverted edits from banned editors should be allowed, which, then, leaves behind no cleanup. But, very much, this has been rejected, and the result is poor content often blatantly biased as would be seen by anyone familiar with the topic, the most knowledgeable editors, frequently, having been excluded from even making suggestions. Is it a coincidence that JzG reverts back instead of leaving the article biased by the other side? (As normal with an interrupted edit war?)

One, you blocked a formally retired SPA whistleblower, who had been following IAR, very clearly, making a big fuss on the noticeboard, but you paid no attention to what the whistle-blower was pointing to. I think the user's position was ultimately correct, but that can be left for another day. Like, maybe, never.

Was the user WordBomb? Maybe. JzG seems to have thought so. It doesn't matter.

Is WordBomb (T-C-L-K-R-D) banned? I see that the initial block was issued by Slimvirgin, and WordBomb's entire history consisted of one day of editing. There seems to have been no ban discussion, which would make the ban be simply one of "no administrator willing to unblock," which isn't really a ban, it's "no administrator willing to unblock." A ban should not be reversed by an admin without a discussion. In this case, there is a request to consult before unblocking. JzG unblocked to reblock in 2008 with email access disabled. JzG is also involved. Still.

Some edits of WordBomb have been oversighted, according to the notes on his user page. From his slide show, he had outed Mantanmoreland as Gary Weiss. Can't allow that, can we? Even when it's relevant to a COI allegation? WordBomb makes his case about guideline or policy conflicts, very well, in the slide show.

As is common, a user who is arbitrarily blocked may create sock puppets. While that is an offense, it appears that WordBomb had email access disabled because of attempts to contact arbitrators. I can't blame WordBomb for IP editing or socking, if he did. I don't see any clear confirmation, but it's a reasonable possibility.
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post Mon 5th April 2010, 7:23pm
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Wow. There's been a lot of action on this thread that I was not aware of. Somey...I think the email notification thing is broken.

Anyway, to answer some of your questions:
Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in that sock puppet investigation were me (and if anybody can tell me what "A Ad Dieted Fir Grimy On" means, I'd be very interested to know).

Yes, WordBomb is banned.

All my oversighted edits -- the same for which I was silenced and banished -- said nothing more than what has since come to be regarded as accepted truth today. I suppose I have something in common with Galileo in that sense.

I have created several "sockpuppet" accounts, but not for the purpose of directly influencing wikipedia content. Instead, I created them in order to ensnare Weiss and his defenders, and occasionally inject some information into discussions. I currently do have an active account, which I use to make minor edits in articles that need them. I've not edited any of the four articles on probation, because I've been asked not to.

JGZ is among that startlingly commonplace breed of wikipedian who cannot feel complete without somebody to hate. Because I busted him sockpuppeting at one point, I've intermittently been that person. Because he sees the enemy of his enemy as his friend, Guy sees Gary Weiss is a natural ally. And they deserve each other.
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post Mon 5th April 2010, 7:55pm
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Mon 5th April 2010, 12:23pm) *

Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in that sock puppet investigation were me (and if anybody can tell me what "A Ad Dieted Fir Grimy On" means, I'd be very interested to know).

Obviously an anagram, but probably of a proper name. And too long to work on with any online anagram descrambler even if not.
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post Mon 5th April 2010, 10:35pm
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 5th April 2010, 7:55pm) *

QUOTE(WordBomb @ Mon 5th April 2010, 12:23pm) *

Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in that sock puppet investigation were me (and if anybody can tell me what "A Ad Dieted Fir Grimy On" means, I'd be very interested to know).

Obviously an anagram, but probably of a proper name. And too long to work on with any online anagram descrambler even if not.


"Into fame Gary did ride."

Well, maybe not.
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WordBomb   Gary Weiss on the verge of a nervous breakdown   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:06am
Alison   I'm told that all the recent tinkering with t...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:13am
WordBomb   [quote name='WordBomb' post='223546' date='Thu 25...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:31am
One   Crap. That would be worse than asking the ex-girl...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:35am
Herschelkrustofsky   :popcorn: The downside of being really successful...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:31am
Mr. Mystery   I've never understood MONGO's relationship...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:48am
RDH(Ghost In The Machine)   I've never understood MONGO's relationshi...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:30pm
Piperdown   Gawy's prolly peeved that Word-B is now being ...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:11pm
Cla68   It might be dawning on Weiss that he has lost cont...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:33pm
taiwopanfob   It might be dawning on Weiss that he has lost cont...   Sat 27th February 2010, 1:53pm
Piperdown   Only Gary Weiss would hop back on the "Smear ...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:33pm
Heat   Put him out of his misery and start an AFD on his ...   Sat 27th February 2010, 9:07pm
Mr. Mystery   Put him out of his misery and start an AFD on his...   Sun 28th February 2010, 9:40am
CharlotteWebb   Pfft. That helped Cla's adminship get deraile...   Sun 28th February 2010, 10:02am
The Adversary   I'm told that all the recent tinkering with t...   Sun 28th February 2010, 8:38pm
Abd   It's still happening. I was presented by email...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 5:29pm
Milton Roe   Looks to me like Gary Weiss just edited, five day...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 5:41pm
WordBomb   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Apr...   Mon 5th April 2010, 7:01pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Ap...   Mon 5th April 2010, 7:04pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Ap...   Fri 9th April 2010, 10:15pm
EricBarbour   [i]Whose sock is this, Whose ban indef, On ArbCom...   Sat 10th April 2010, 8:57am
Somey   Added text by Weiss in bold. The added text is d...   Mon 5th April 2010, 6:05pm
Abd   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Apri...   Mon 5th April 2010, 11:53pm
WordBomb   WordBomb, you are an expert on this topic, by reas...   Tue 6th April 2010, 1:41am
CharlotteWebb   Thanks, but I cheated, slightly. Looking at it, I...   Tue 6th April 2010, 2:55am
Abd   I was asked to provide the URL of the blog post th...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 9:31pm
Jon Awbrey   The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-Pollyanna Yo...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 9:36pm
Abd   The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-PollyannaYou ...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 10:03pm
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='229996' date='Sat ...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:28am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='229996' date='Sat...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:36am
Abd   It's actually not that easy to figure out. Jim...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:29am
Jon Awbrey   Sure, there's always a next question — Li...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:42am
Abd   Next Question — [b]Who wants it that way? You...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:09am
Jon Awbrey   Next Question — [b]Who wants it that way? Yo...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:22am
Abd   There has been no clean-up. I noticed JzG's in...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:18am
WordBomb   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='230217' date='Mon ...   Mon 5th April 2010, 11:09pm
thekohser   Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in tha...   Tue 6th April 2010, 2:40am
GoRight   JGZ is among that startlingly commonplace breed o...   Tue 6th April 2010, 1:57am
Jon Awbrey   O, I C, you're still stuck on the individual m...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:38am
Moulton   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:30am
Abd   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:41am
Moulton   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:35pm
Milton Roe   If institutions have learning curves, then they n...   Sun 4th April 2010, 6:16pm
Moulton   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Mon 5th April 2010, 6:18pm
Abd   Gary Weiss is still putting puffery into his artic...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:20am
The Adversary   Off protection, Bagley reverted to remove the stuf...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:31pm
The Adversary   If anyone wants to find out which article Matan ha...   Sun 4th April 2010, 6:16pm
gomi   [Modnote: The posts on Martin Luther have been mov...   Mon 5th April 2010, 5:26pm
Floydsvoid   Dammit Jim, I'm a programmer not an accountant...   Tue 6th April 2010, 1:25am
WordBomb   Dammit Jim, I'm a programmer not an accountan...   Tue 6th April 2010, 3:01am
Cla68   All this is in my book, by the way...which better...   Tue 6th April 2010, 4:21am
WordBomb   [quote name='WordBomb' post='230278' date='Tue 6th...   Tue 6th April 2010, 5:16am
EricBarbour   [url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A...   Tue 6th April 2010, 10:08am
Cla68   [quote name='WordBomb' post='230278' date='Tue 6t...   Wed 7th April 2010, 11:39pm
written by he who wrote it   <snip> I can't wait to see how Weiss...   Fri 9th April 2010, 12:40am
The Adversary   -- will protect the page, perhaps toss out a few...   Fri 9th April 2010, 3:19am
Piperdown   I have PLENTY on this subject. In fact, it compri...   Tue 20th April 2010, 12:56am
Floydsvoid   Here's how it works: the manipulator buys ......   Thu 8th April 2010, 12:35am
Piperdown   Oh, and by the by, Gary surfaces with his old frie...   Tue 20th April 2010, 1:24am


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