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post Fri 26th February 2010, 4:06am
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I'm told that all the recent tinkering with the article autobiography on Gary Weiss has put Weiss himself in a strange place, psychologically. He -- as Mantanmoreland -- has been begging many former allies for intervention and even asked ArbCom -- as Stetsonharry -- to be unbanned.

Of course, Stetsonharry was shown the door, but not before expressing his deep, DEEP, red-faced, vein-bulging, scowling disappointment.

Apparently it was Huldra's inspired addition of the Wikipuffery category that really set him off.

If had a devious side, it might suggest that just a little more improvement of the article (and it could certainly use more than a little improving) would yield some really interesting Weissian fireworks.
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post Tue 6th April 2010, 1:25am
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Dammit Jim, I'm a programmer not an accountant.

I don't get the dispute about NSS. Now I might understand short selling. If I borrow `x' amount of stock from a lender payable at a later date then I could reasonably assume he has x amount of stock in hand. If the stock goes down like I predicted then I give back to the lender x amount of shares and pocket the difference.

But in NSS if I borrow x amount of stock, the lender might not have x amount of stock on hand and in fact the total shares of stock, lent and otherwise, may exceed the total number shares? This smells of `virtual stock' and can't be a good thing, right?, much less legal?

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post Tue 6th April 2010, 3:01am
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QUOTE(Floydsvoid @ Mon 5th April 2010, 7:25pm) *

Dammit Jim, I'm a programmer not an accountant.

I don't get the dispute about NSS. Now I might understand short selling. If I borrow `x' amount of stock from a lender payable at a later date then I could reasonably assume he has x amount of stock in hand. If the stock goes down like I predicted then I give back to the lender x amount of shares and pocket the difference.

But in NSS if I borrow x amount of stock, the lender might not have x amount of stock on hand and in fact the total shares of stock, lent and otherwise, may exceed the total number shares? This smells of `virtual stock' and can't be a good thing, right?, much less legal?
That a market maker (a subset of stock broker/dealers whose job it is to always be available to buy or sell shares of certain companies -- ie "make a market" in those securities) is able to sell shares not immediately available in its inventory is a good thing. But it should happen rarely and only in the interest of keeping markets fluid.

What we've discovered is that the "hack" (meaning, the flaw in the system) is in options market-making, and the flawed people willing to assist would-be naked short sellers in exploiting that hack are operating in options brokerages in Chicago (precisely where Jimbo Wales made a living, pre-Wikipedia...only a coincidence, but an interesting one).

Here's how it works: the manipulator buys an equal number of at-the-money puts and calls (in huge blocks) with identical expiration dates and strike prices. This is called a perfect hedge and is a riskless investment (also most likely to be worthless, by the way). The short seller then exercises the call options, though in such quantities, the options market maker is almost certainly only able to fill the order through liberal use of "share equivalents" (virtual share IOUs). In this way, the short seller is technically selling shares long, while it's the options market maker who is (naked) short the stock.

At that point, with a huge arsenal of virtual shares, the short seller peppers the market with small quantities of these IOUs, in a manner referred to as "attacking the bid." This simulates high selling demand and price always drops in response.

In and of itself, this practice is antithetical to efficient markets, but the real problem is the false signal this price movement sends real investors, who see downward movement not related to any new information and assume it's insiders unloading shares in response to something the rest of us don't yet know. The result is more and more selling and, if the manipulator goes about it correctly, a "demoralized market" in the security.

It makes no difference what the report says, Lehman Brothers could NOT have been killed in September of 2008 by information unavailable to the market until February of 2010. Instead, Lehman was killed by a plummeting stock price, which was sparked by illegal, manipulative trading and brought to completion by millions of uninformed investors running for the exits in response to what they assumed was informed selling on the part of all the other people whom they suspected knew something everybody else did not.

All this is in my book, by the way...which better fricking be finished this year.
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post Tue 6th April 2010, 4:21am
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QUOTE(WordBomb @ Tue 6th April 2010, 3:01am) *

All this is in my book, by the way...which better fricking be finished this year.


Are you going to talk about the Weiss-Wikipedia episode in your book? If so, I assume that your book could serve as a reliable source for adding information about that saga to the related articles in Wikipedia.

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WordBomb   Gary Weiss on the verge of a nervous breakdown   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:06am
Alison   I'm told that all the recent tinkering with t...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:13am
WordBomb   [quote name='WordBomb' post='223546' date='Thu 25...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:31am
One   Crap. That would be worse than asking the ex-girl...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:35am
Herschelkrustofsky   :popcorn: The downside of being really successful...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:31am
Mr. Mystery   I've never understood MONGO's relationship...   Fri 26th February 2010, 4:48am
RDH(Ghost In The Machine)   I've never understood MONGO's relationshi...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:30pm
Piperdown   Gawy's prolly peeved that Word-B is now being ...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:11pm
Cla68   It might be dawning on Weiss that he has lost cont...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:33pm
taiwopanfob   It might be dawning on Weiss that he has lost cont...   Sat 27th February 2010, 1:53pm
Piperdown   Only Gary Weiss would hop back on the "Smear ...   Fri 26th February 2010, 10:33pm
Heat   Put him out of his misery and start an AFD on his ...   Sat 27th February 2010, 9:07pm
Mr. Mystery   Put him out of his misery and start an AFD on his...   Sun 28th February 2010, 9:40am
CharlotteWebb   Pfft. That helped Cla's adminship get deraile...   Sun 28th February 2010, 10:02am
The Adversary   I'm told that all the recent tinkering with t...   Sun 28th February 2010, 8:38pm
Abd   It's still happening. I was presented by email...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 5:29pm
Milton Roe   Looks to me like Gary Weiss just edited, five day...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 5:41pm
WordBomb   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Apr...   Mon 5th April 2010, 7:01pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Ap...   Mon 5th April 2010, 7:04pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Ap...   Fri 9th April 2010, 10:15pm
EricBarbour   [i]Whose sock is this, Whose ban indef, On ArbCom...   Sat 10th April 2010, 8:57am
Somey   Added text by Weiss in bold. The added text is d...   Mon 5th April 2010, 6:05pm
Abd   [quote name='Abd' post='229983' date='Sat 3rd Apri...   Mon 5th April 2010, 11:53pm
WordBomb   WordBomb, you are an expert on this topic, by reas...   Tue 6th April 2010, 1:41am
CharlotteWebb   Thanks, but I cheated, slightly. Looking at it, I...   Tue 6th April 2010, 2:55am
Abd   I was asked to provide the URL of the blog post th...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 9:31pm
Jon Awbrey   The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-Pollyanna Yo...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 9:36pm
Abd   The Education — Or Not — of Wiki-PollyannaYou ...   Sat 3rd April 2010, 10:03pm
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='229996' date='Sat ...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:28am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Jon Awbrey' post='229996' date='Sat...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:36am
Abd   It's actually not that easy to figure out. Jim...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:29am
Jon Awbrey   Sure, there's always a next question — Li...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:42am
Abd   Next Question — [b]Who wants it that way? You...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:09am
Jon Awbrey   Next Question — [b]Who wants it that way? Yo...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:22am
Abd   There has been no clean-up. I noticed JzG's in...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:18am
WordBomb   Wow. There's been a lot of action on this thre...   Mon 5th April 2010, 7:23pm
Milton Roe   Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in that...   Mon 5th April 2010, 7:55pm
CharlotteWebb   Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in tha...   Mon 5th April 2010, 10:35pm
WordBomb   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='230217' date='Mon ...   Mon 5th April 2010, 11:09pm
thekohser   Neither the account nor the IPs mentioned in tha...   Tue 6th April 2010, 2:40am
GoRight   JGZ is among that startlingly commonplace breed o...   Tue 6th April 2010, 1:57am
Jon Awbrey   O, I C, you're still stuck on the individual m...   Sun 4th April 2010, 12:38am
Moulton   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Sun 4th April 2010, 2:30am
Abd   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:41am
Moulton   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:35pm
Milton Roe   If institutions have learning curves, then they n...   Sun 4th April 2010, 6:16pm
Moulton   If institutions have learning curves, then they ne...   Mon 5th April 2010, 6:18pm
Abd   Gary Weiss is still putting puffery into his artic...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:20am
The Adversary   Off protection, Bagley reverted to remove the stuf...   Sun 4th April 2010, 4:31pm
The Adversary   If anyone wants to find out which article Matan ha...   Sun 4th April 2010, 6:16pm
gomi   [Modnote: The posts on Martin Luther have been mov...   Mon 5th April 2010, 5:26pm
WordBomb   [quote name='WordBomb' post='230278' date='Tue 6th...   Tue 6th April 2010, 5:16am
EricBarbour   [url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A...   Tue 6th April 2010, 10:08am
Cla68   [quote name='WordBomb' post='230278' date='Tue 6t...   Wed 7th April 2010, 11:39pm
written by he who wrote it   <snip> I can't wait to see how Weiss...   Fri 9th April 2010, 12:40am
The Adversary   -- will protect the page, perhaps toss out a few...   Fri 9th April 2010, 3:19am
Piperdown   I have PLENTY on this subject. In fact, it compri...   Tue 20th April 2010, 12:56am
Floydsvoid   Here's how it works: the manipulator buys ......   Thu 8th April 2010, 12:35am
Piperdown   Oh, and by the by, Gary surfaces with his old frie...   Tue 20th April 2010, 1:24am


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