Jimbo calls for global ban on Thekohser, and his bidding is done Options

[thekohser]

Jimbo must not like living in a trailer park. Seems he has a lot of pent up anger. I wonder what the specific crime was, to call for this today? It's gotta be the trailer park, right?

Kohs is permanently and globally banned from all Wikimedia projects.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 04:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

This post has been edited by thekohser: Tue 4th May 2010, 1:37am

[thekohser]

Oooh, now this is interesting. It would appear that a few members of the English Wikisource community retain a spine of their own. They even have the presence of mind to discover that maybe this all has to do with Jimbo's idiotic behavior on Wikiversity.

Alas, I have a feeling they will be beaten into submission by the drone bees.

[HRIP7]

&oldid

Oooh, now this is interesting. It would appear that a few members of the English Wikisource community retain a spine of their own. They even have the presence of mind to discover that maybe this all has to do with Jimbo's idiotic behavior on Wikiversity.

Alas, I have a feeling they will be beaten into submission by the drone bees.

Current status seems to be "Block removed. The global ban has been lifted by stewards, so consequently I have undone my actions locally."

This post has been edited by HRIP7: Wed 5th May 2010, 7:39am

[the fieryangel]

Current status seems to be "Block removed. The global ban has been lifted by stewards, so consequently I have undone my actions locally."

Interesting exchange off of Jimbo's EN talkpage :

Stimulus

Please don't put us on akward situations. I don't know if you're aware, buf [[User:Jeff G.]] has been going wiki by wiki asking for local blocks of Thekohser linking a couple of threads on some village pumps where you mention you consider him globally banned. [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalismo_en_curso#Thekohser] [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Global_ban_enforcement...

After the obligatory reference to "WR Trolls"...which includes people like NYBrad, CHL, and Alison, we then get :

Response :

:Hi Drini, I apologize for that. I didn't know there was a tool on meta for global lock. I appreciate you letting me know. I thought the only way was local blocks, and figured it best not to go on any big campaign to do it (why bother?) but just let it be known and be taken care of as necessary. But if there's a global lock, that's obviously the right tool to use.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

So, that would seem to suggest that not only did Jimbo actually get one of his minions to go around all WMF wikis and do this "burn the witch" schtick, but that he was completely unaware that there was a global ban button on his own servers...

...words fail....

On meta, the global block has been lifted :

# 04:41, 5 May 2010 Pathoschild (talk | contribs) changed status for global account "User:Thekohser@global": Set (none); Unset locked ‎ (converted to local blocks after discussing with drini)

....which remains "clear as mud"...but what else is new?

[Abd]

:Hi Drini, I apologize for that. I didn't know there was a tool on meta for global lock. I appreciate you letting me know. I thought the only way was local blocks, and figured it best not to go on any big campaign to do it (why bother?) but just let it be known and be taken care of as necessary. But if there's a global lock, that's obviously the right tool to use.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

So, that would seem to suggest that not only did Jimbo actually get one of his minions to go around all WMF wikis and do this "burn the witch" schtick, but that he was completely unaware that there was a global ban button on his own servers...

Jimbo was responding there to Jeff G. (T-C-L-K-R-D) . I very much doubt that Jimbo instigated this. Jeff G. has been so outrageous that I have suspicions. Kohs, that isn't you, is it?

My sense is that Jimbo would just like the whole thing to quietly go away, and here comes Jeff G. stirring the pot. Using the global lock facility to block someone everywhere for reasons like this was probably not the intended use, and what then happens with local socks? Bad idea. If Jimbo wants a user blocked, he can do it himself, or ask a steward to do it, but he's not doing that because he knows how much damage it causes.

Notice: just let it be known and be taken care of as necessary. What is "necessary?" Pretty obvious, I'd say. That Kohs has an account does not create a necessity. If he uses it for disruption (which, by the way, would includes shouting "you are a bunch of stupid idiots" to a crowd of stupid idiots), that is when each account could be addressed, and the local community will take care of it, with Jimbo or stewards intervening when they see sufficient local support. If there is local consensus not to block, as there was at Wikisource and Wikiquote, no block. He's not stupid, or at least, tip o the hat to Greg, not that stupid.

Steward intervention will come when the wikigods see that a local community is divided and can't, in their view, find consensus.

What are the odds that Jeff G. is dinged soon? If he stops now, probably not, but if he keeps pushing this? I see that Kohs was also unblocked at de.wikipedia, where Jeff G had convinced them (or was that already there?) to block him based on this "global ban."

Kohs got away with a jab at Jimbo et al at Wikisource, I think he was counting on one free because of the whole flap there. That kind of pushing the edge is what got him banned. I can admire it at the same time as I see why he's banned. Ever see Hero (2002 film)? The Wikipedia article does it no justice at all. Amazing film.

On Wikiquote Kohs was gratuitously libeled. That's the community. It will ban Kohs for less uncivil but more cogent criticism, then tolerate unnecessary libel. Or will it? We'll see. However, Wikiquote refused to block Kohs, at least, so far.

I did listen to his 2005 TED speech a bit. He said that he was trying to encourage more testing of Wikipedia quality. Apparently that message hasn't gotten out to the troops yet. Or was that then and this is now? I'm really not sure.

Wasn't it just bollocks?

No, it was a good speech. The reality that resulted is mixed.

His pronunciation of "Wikipedia" drives me nuts. I guess he has a right to establish the pronunciation, but I've always pronounced wiki as "wikee," but have made the i short in "Wikipedia," and that's what I've heard from many other people. Didn't realize that until I figured out what was irritating me about his pronunciation.