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post Wed 5th May 2010, 7:38am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 4th May 2010, 4:57am) *

Oooh, now this is interesting. It would appear that a few members of the English Wikisource community retain a spine of their own. They even have the presence of mind to discover that maybe this all has to do with Jimbo's idiotic behavior on Wikiversity.

Alas, I have a feeling they will be beaten into submission by the drone bees.


Current status seems to be "Block removed. The global ban has been lifted by stewards, so consequently I have undone my actions locally."

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post Wed 5th May 2010, 8:34am
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 5th May 2010, 7:38am) *


Interesting exchange off of Jimbo's EN talkpage :

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Please don't put us on akward situations. I don't know if you're aware, buf [[User:Jeff G.]] has been going wiki by wiki asking for local blocks of Thekohser linking a couple of threads on some village pumps where you mention you consider him globally banned. [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalismo_en_curso#Thekohser] [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Global_ban_enforcement...


After the obligatory reference to "WR Trolls"...which includes people like NYBrad, CHL, and Alison, we then get :

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:Hi Drini, I apologize for that. I didn't know there was a tool on meta for global lock. I appreciate you letting me know. I thought the only way was local blocks, and figured it best not to go on any big campaign to do it (why bother?) but just let it be known and be taken care of as necessary. But if there's a global lock, that's obviously the right tool to use.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


So, that would seem to suggest that not only did Jimbo actually get one of his minions to go around all WMF wikis and do this "burn the witch" schtick, but that he was completely unaware that there was a global ban button on his own servers...

...words fail....

On meta, the global block has been lifted :

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# 04:41, 5 May 2010 Pathoschild (talk | contribs) changed status for global account "User:Thekohser@global": Set (none); Unset locked ‎ (converted to local blocks after discussing with drini)


....which remains "clear as mud"...but what else is new?

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post Wed 5th May 2010, 8:52am
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If there are any further infractions, it may be necessary for us to confiscate the man's computer and prohibit him from using the internet for a matter of years, or perhaps even for the rest of his life. So I hope he will learn his lesson now. Everyking (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Every user has the right to fork. It's my understanding that this user has already created a wiki of his own, so he's welcome to copy material under the GFDL and edit there. Will Beback talk 04:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Wed 5th May 2010, 1:34am) *
So, that would seem to suggest that not only did Jimbo actually get one of his minions to go around all WMF wikis and do this "burn the witch" schtick, but that he was completely unaware that there was a global ban button on his own servers...
...words fail....

Heh heh. Why am I not surprised? Jimbo is no different than any number of abusive, shallow corporate minions that I have seen over the years. He doesn't know what he's doing, and flaunts his ignorance at every opportunity, yet enjoys the trappings of whatever miserable little power he has over other people.

Every time he posts something on his talkpage or on AN, he looks more and more like a Dilbert character.

Wikipedia is like World of Warcraft, with one major difference: in Warcraft, it's routine to recommend that people quit a guild "if the leader is an idiot". That phrase is so commonplace in Warcraft group websites, it's almost an official rule. But Wikipedia's leader has been proven to be an idiot, time and time again.......and yet they continue to follow him!
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post Wed 5th May 2010, 10:53am
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QUOTE(Abd @ Tue 4th May 2010, 10:28pm) *
There are, in fact, serious issues here, and maybe someone will pick up on that. But meanwhile, a peer community which cannot tolerate jesters and clowns is on its way down, it's dying and it's just a matter of time.

Because the issues are serious, it requires a jester to elevate them to general attention, in a way that (eventually) makes people stop and think.

There are serious absurdities in WikiCulture, and Greg is doing a fine job pointing them out.

Also, kudos to Milton Roe for his wonderful song parodies.
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post Wed 5th May 2010, 2:57pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 5th May 2010, 6:53am) *

There are serious absurdities in WikiCulture, and Greg is doing a fine job pointing them out.


For those keeping score at home, Kohs has just hit a double for the Wikisource team, but there's one out, and Manager Jimbo is coming out to the mound. He may be making a pitching change.

P.S. I could see how Wikisource, if it is as it appears, to be a true and authentic effort to dutifully reproduce public domain works, without agenda or personality tainting the effort, could really be an addictive environment for someone like me. However, it being under the umbrella of a corrupt regime, I couldn't possibly bring myself to complete work on more than just perhaps the one work that I'm interested personally in completing. (In other words, even if I score a run in this inning, there's only a couple more innings left, and it will probably be my last game with this team.)
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Oh, a baseball analogy. This must be a game between the Clubs and the Socks.
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post Wed 5th May 2010, 11:31pm
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QUOTE(Kevin @ Wed 5th May 2010, 4:52am) *
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If there are any further infractions, it may be necessary for us to confiscate the man's computer and prohibit him from using the internet for a matter of years, or perhaps even for the rest of his life. So I hope he will learn his lesson now. Everyking (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Every user has the right to fork. It's my understanding that this user has already created a wiki of his own, so he's welcome to copy material under the GFDL and edit there. Will Beback talk 04:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Some people have no sense of humor.
Yeah, we should draw and quarter them. (No, not take out the pastels or make up a bed for the guest. Or maybe we should. Some of these people seem to need some serious human company, i.e., smiling and laughing. That comment by Everyking was great. The global lock was lifted today. Well see if that holds.... I have now pointed out the obvious on Wikiquote. I have to be careful about this, I'm legitimately seen as an outsider on these wikis.

Anyway, I'm now an official Wikiquote editor, as of today. We'll see how long that lasts... See, I noticed that Koh's edits to the quotes for Jimmy Wales were all reverted, though almost all of them were fine, and he wasn't blocked when he made them. One edit was a tad, shall we say, provocative? If I get a mail from Mr. Wales saying that he'd like it quoted, fine. Frankly, those were mighty fine words, if he actually said them, my congratulations to him, but I wouldn't want to upset the muggles without a very good reason. I was tempted.

I did listen to his 2005 TED speech a bit. He said that he was trying to encourage more testing of Wikipedia quality. Apparently that message hasn't gotten out to the troops yet. Or was that then and this is now? I'm really not sure.

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QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:31am) *
I did listen to his 2005 TED speech a bit. He said that he was trying to encourage more testing of Wikipedia quality. Apparently that message hasn't gotten out to the troops yet. Or was that then and this is now? I'm really not sure.

Wasn't it just bollocks?
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Wed 5th May 2010, 4:34am) *
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:Hi Drini, I apologize for that. I didn't know there was a tool on meta for global lock. I appreciate you letting me know. I thought the only way was local blocks, and figured it best not to go on any big campaign to do it (why bother?) but just let it be known and be taken care of as necessary. But if there's a global lock, that's obviously the right tool to use.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
So, that would seem to suggest that not only did Jimbo actually get one of his minions to go around all WMF wikis and do this "burn the witch" schtick, but that he was completely unaware that there was a global ban button on his own servers...
Jimbo was responding there to Jeff G. (T-C-L-K-R-D) . I very much doubt that Jimbo instigated this. Jeff G. has been so outrageous that I have suspicions. Kohs, that isn't you, is it?

My sense is that Jimbo would just like the whole thing to quietly go away, and here comes Jeff G. stirring the pot. Using the global lock facility to block someone everywhere for reasons like this was probably not the intended use, and what then happens with local socks? Bad idea. If Jimbo wants a user blocked, he can do it himself, or ask a steward to do it, but he's not doing that because he knows how much damage it causes.

Notice: just let it be known and be taken care of as necessary. What is "necessary?" Pretty obvious, I'd say. That Kohs has an account does not create a necessity. If he uses it for disruption (which, by the way, would includes shouting "you are a bunch of stupid idiots" to a crowd of stupid idiots), that is when each account could be addressed, and the local community will take care of it, with Jimbo or stewards intervening when they see sufficient local support. If there is local consensus not to block, as there was at Wikisource and Wikiquote, no block. He's not stupid, or at least, tip o the hat to Greg, not that stupid.

Steward intervention will come when the wikigods see that a local community is divided and can't, in their view, find consensus.

What are the odds that Jeff G. is dinged soon? If he stops now, probably not, but if he keeps pushing this? I see that Kohs was also unblocked at de.wikipedia, where Jeff G had convinced them (or was that already there?) to block him based on this "global ban."

Kohs got away with a jab at Jimbo et al at Wikisource, I think he was counting on one free because of the whole flap there. That kind of pushing the edge is what got him banned. I can admire it at the same time as I see why he's banned. Ever see Hero (2002 film)? The Wikipedia article does it no justice at all. Amazing film.

On Wikiquote Kohs was gratuitously libeled. That's the community. It will ban Kohs for less uncivil but more cogent criticism, then tolerate unnecessary libel. Or will it? We'll see. However, Wikiquote refused to block Kohs, at least, so far.

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QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:31am) *
I did listen to his 2005 TED speech a bit. He said that he was trying to encourage more testing of Wikipedia quality. Apparently that message hasn't gotten out to the troops yet. Or was that then and this is now? I'm really not sure.
Wasn't it just bollocks?
No, it was a good speech. The reality that resulted is mixed.

His pronunciation of "Wikipedia" drives me nuts. I guess he has a right to establish the pronunciation, but I've always pronounced wiki as "wikee," but have made the i short in "Wikipedia," and that's what I've heard from many other people. Didn't realize that until I figured out what was irritating me about his pronunciation.
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QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:29am) *
His pronunciation of "Wikipedia" drives me nuts. I guess he has a right to establish the pronunciation, but I've always pronounced wiki as "wikee," but have made the i short in "Wikipedia," and that's what I've heard from many other people. Didn't realize that until I figured out what was irritating me about his pronunciation.

His pronunciation is the least of the problems I have with Wales. His mad stare just freaks me out.
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QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:29am) *

I very much doubt that Jimbo instigated this. Jeff G. has been so outrageous that I have suspicions. Kohs, that isn't you, is it?


No, Jeff G. is Jeff Guinzburg, and he's special. He's an administrator on Test Wikipedia, on the Admin Tools Wiki and he's one of the few people that knows how to massage photos. He even has his own fan club.

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QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 5th May 2010, 8:34pm) *
QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:29am) *
His pronunciation of "Wikipedia" drives me nuts. I guess he has a right to establish the pronunciation, but I've always pronounced wiki as "wikee," but have made the i short in "Wikipedia," and that's what I've heard from many other people. Didn't realize that until I figured out what was irritating me about his pronunciation.
His pronunciation is the least of the problems I have with Wales. His mad stare just freaks me out.
You really should lay off of the Jimson weed.

Actually, that could explain a lot.
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Wed 5th May 2010, 9:28pm) *
QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:29am) *
I very much doubt that Jimbo instigated this. Jeff G. has been so outrageous that I have suspicions. Kohs, that isn't you, is it?

No, Jeff G. is Jeff Guinzburg, and he's special. He's an administrator on Test Wikipedia, on the Admin Tools Wiki and he's one of the few people that knows how to massage photos... He even has his own fan club.
Clever, that Kohs. Nobody would believe it.

I know how to massage photos, it's getting the photos to massage me that's not so easy.

Once again, a terminal period in a URL appears to not be presented to the browser for links. The "massage photos" link must have a period added at the end, in the browser, to work.

Was it the photo of Kelly Madison that was "hand massaged" or something else? Those photos creep me out, I thought the photo of Jeff on facebook was a bit strange, but... it gets worse.
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#46 → .

Category:Photos_massaged_by_User:Jeff_G.
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In a URL string, use %2E for the "." character if the forum software doesn't handle it correctly.

For example: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category..._User:Jeff_G%2E
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QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:31am) *

Anyway, I'm now an official Wikiquote editor, as of today.

You can't make up this sort of irony. Abd was warmly welcomed to Wikiquote by none other than Cirt.
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QUOTE(ulsterman @ Thu 6th May 2010, 8:37am) *
QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:31am) *
Anyway, I'm now an official Wikiquote editor, as of today.
You can't make up this sort of irony. Abd was warmly welcomed to Wikiquote by none other than Cirt.
I have nothing against Cirt, and I hope Cirt has nothing against me. I don't hold grudges and one of the blessings of getting older is that I don't remember who did what and said what unless it gets repeated a lot. Seems to me that I criticized Cirt strongly at one point, but, first of all, he's young, and one of the blessings of being young is that you get to change a lot, if you are willing. Compared to many others I've criticized, his response was moderate and thus hopeful.

(If you stay willing to admit error or at least to leave it behind and change when you are older, you can be young and old at the same time. Mazel tov.)

The routine welcomes at the various projects are a good thing, though, indeed, sometimes ironic. I remember seeing that an editor on Wikiversity, blocked by an admin, pointed out, it seemed bitterly, that he had been the one to welcome the blocking admin. Yes. So? I'd ask, "Did you welcome this new editor to gain an ally in your various causes?"

I was welcomed to Wikipedia, years after my first edit, by a sock puppet of someone who was, at that point, pretty much out to get me banned, due to off-wiki political agenda. Harmless, and, yes, ironic. Part of the game. Interestingly, the puppet master, later, became a bit of an ally, and some of his socks were actually easy to work with even in the "battleground" articles. There were others far worse. Wikipedia has often banned the wrong people.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

My edits restoring most of Koh's work on Jimmy_Wales still stand, fingers crossed, but I don't really care that much. That page is bloated, but bloated without all the bold is better than bloated with, unless one really does want to make the page look ridiculous. Greg had, overall, improved it, and even the outrageous quotation of Jimmy's words by a somewhat biased reporter, Rachel Marsden, was funny. I'll remember that one, and memorability is, in fact, a reason to have a quotation at Wikiquote, but putting that one in without consensus would simply be asking for trouble.

You aren't asking for trouble, are you, Greg? (Rhetorical question.)

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Greg is more likely to answer the troubled than to ask for troubles of his own.
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I have submitted unblock requests on various Wikimedia projects where I have been blocked. So we'll see how that goes. Tried my first "table conversion" in Wikisource today. That was cool.
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