Jimbo calls for global ban on Thekohser, and his bidding is done Options

[Guido den Broeder]

Meanwhile, you place on the Public Speakers list and you meta user page are once again under siege (sigh).

[thekohser]

Meanwhile, you place on the Public Speakers list and you meta user page are once again under siege (sigh).

Ah yes, the all important public speakers list. I knew they'd be taking a few shots at that in the next couple of days. So predictable!

Guido, for fun, point them to my Wikisource contributions page and note that I'm obviously not "permanently blocked" from Wikimedia projects if I was just editing this morning.

This post has been edited by thekohser: Thu 6th May 2010, 4:46pm

[Abd]

Greg is more likely to answer the troubled than to ask for troubles of his own.

Don't you know how provocative it is to be right? (rhetorical question).

[thekohser]

Meanwhile, you place on the Public Speakers list and you meta user page are once again under siege (sigh).

Ah yes, the all important public speakers list. I knew they'd be taking a few shots at that in the next couple of days. So predictable!

Guido, for fun, point them to my Wikisource contributions page and note that I'm obviously not "permanently blocked" from Wikimedia projects if I was just editing this morning.

Whoops -- too late!

Current revision as of 17:13, 6 May 2010 (view source)
Abigor (talk | contribs)
m (Protected "Public speakers": Counter-productive edit warring ([edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) [move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)))

(Just a "minor" edit.)

[Guido den Broeder]

Meanwhile, you place on the Public Speakers list and you meta user page are once again under siege (sigh).

Ah yes, the all important public speakers list. I knew they'd be taking a few shots at that in the next couple of days. So predictable!

Guido, for fun, point them to my Wikisource contributions page and note that I'm obviously not "permanently blocked" from Wikimedia projects if I was just editing this morning.

Naturally, Abigor (the mentally disturbed guy who previously hacked my website and tried to destroy my database, and was granted the keys to the wikipedia database as a reward) immediately stepped in and blocked me as well. He is now editwarring on my talk page.

This post has been edited by Guido den Broeder: Thu 6th May 2010, 5:41pm

[thekohser]

Meanwhile, you place on the Public Speakers list and you meta user page are once again under siege (sigh).

Ah yes, the all important public speakers list. I knew they'd be taking a few shots at that in the next couple of days. So predictable!

Guido, for fun, point them to my Wikisource contributions page and note that I'm obviously not "permanently blocked" from Wikimedia projects if I was just editing this morning.

Naturally, Abigor (the mentally disturbed guy who previously hacked my website and tried to destroy my database, and was granted the keys to the wikipedia database as a reward) immediately stepped in and blocked me as well.

But, wait! How could that be? Abigor has the following Userboxes on his page:

*This user believes in assuming good faith and civility.*

*This user wants to be your friend.*

What if we don't want to be your friend, Huib Laurens?

[Guido den Broeder]

I am not aware of anyone who is his friend or would want to be, but he is allowed to dream on.

Ah. He has now fixed his filth by disallowing me to edit my own talk page.



This post has been edited by Guido den Broeder: Thu 6th May 2010, 5:52pm

[thekohser]

What bugs me is that the decent Wikimedians on here at Wikipedia Review should jump to our aid, Guido. But, you just don't see that happen. I don't know if it's that they agree that I shouldn't be on the Public Speakers list, or that they don't care, or that they rather enjoy to the dramatic trauma that the battle delivers (entertainment value).

[Abd]

Meanwhile, you place on the Public Speakers list and you meta user page are once again under siege (sigh).

It used to be that meta was a bit of a refuge, and a quite free place, frequented by many who understood the wiki vision and who supported and maintained it.

However, I noticed about two years ago that some meta administrators seemed to believe that they owned the place. Today, Abigor twice reverted the meta Public speakers list to a preferred version, once reverting Guido and then reverting IP (Kohs?), then full-protected it because of "edit warring."

Guido was preserving the status quo on that page from people who seemed to think that the Public Speaker page was for "speakers from the Foundation." The disclaimer standing on the page that contradicts that was added a few months ago by JzG, not exactly a supporter of Kohs, but JzG got it right that time.

On Wikipedia, that action by Abigor would be likely desysop, except for the reluctance of ArbComm to act against administrators who edit war with ordinary editors, it tends to consider the admin cabal to be "Wikipedia" and ordinary editors to be slaves, who are free to leave if they don't like it. On meta, Abigor didn't even discuss it. The Talk page has been quiet. The speaker page had likewise been quiet since March, when an IP removed Guido's name as "retired" and Guido restored that as "irrelevant," and certainly someone retired from an organization might often be an appropriate speaker about that.

In this case, Abigor blocked Guido for supporting what had been a standing consensus for some time, as "trolling." Guido removed the notice as a "pa," i.e., a personal attack, which it was. Abigor reverted, and asked Guido not to remove the notice. Guido removed it. Butter on the popcorn, please!

Abigor shouldn't touch the Guido talk page with a ten-foot-pole, nor Guido, but he might. Now, do I warn him or does someone else? I'm watching the page now. Does the meta community tolerate administrative bullying? Abigor clearly had a content position here, and enforced it by protecting into favored version and blocking the editor he was reverting. This is on Abigor's meta talk page:

Some people will say I am the Great Duke of Hell, ruling 60 legions of demons, but that is only when you make me mad.

Guido was mildly out of line, shouldn't have done that second revert without discussion, but Abigor is an admin and should know better. Someone should tell him. Or meta is toast as well. My guess at this point is that sensibility will prevail, Abigor will back down or at least stop acting, likely Kohs will be back on the speaker list. Or will we see the "60 legions of demons"?

I see, looking at the history of the Speaker list, that quite a few well-known Wikipedians supported Kohs' being listed, fairly recently. Abigor is acting against consensus, my guess, but one can never tell if the subterranean currents have shifted.

Hey, should I put my name on the speaker list? I'm currently in good standing on all the wikis, just some trifling topic bans on Wikipedia. I'm also an experienced public speaker.

[Guido den Broeder]

Well, if anyone jumps to my aid it is a near certainty that they will get blocked as well, or worse, so I wouldn't recommend it.

It doesn't really matter much, meta is only about closing projects these days. On that note, I still have a watchlist of several hundreds of articles on nl:wikipedia and in two years time not a single non-bot edit has happened in any of them.

[Abd]

What bugs me is that the decent Wikimedians on here at Wikipedia Review should jump to our aid, Guido. But, you just don't see that happen. I don't know if it's that they agree that I shouldn't be on the Public Speakers list, or that they don't care, or that they rather enjoy to the dramatic trauma that the battle delivers (entertainment value).

Oh, give it some time, Kohs.

The place is falling apart, payroll has been late, so the room service is spotty. Still, the power is on, and I can make you some tea. Your preferences?

Guido, you should not have reverted more than once in this sequence, but definitely Abigor should not have done what he did. If you simply do nothing now, watch what happens. If nothing happens, you can know that the place has gone completely to hell and you might as well stop bothering to even watch.

You had off-wiki conflict with Abigor? Tsk, tsk. Can you document that? I do see he blocked you before.

(Given that you defied Abigor on your Talk page, Abigor then had an excuse to disable Talk access. However, tsk tsk, Abigor extended the block in doing that. And still hasn't discussed this with anyone else, at least not visibly. I am ... so ... tempted ..., but I'm going to see if a regular jumps in first.)

Well, if anyone jumps to my aid it is a near certainty that they will get blocked as well, or worse, so I wouldn't recommend it.

Really? I'd like to find out. Guido, there are editors who WP:DGAF, and some of them are administrators. I'm not, but if I'm going to get blocked on meta for warning an administrator -- you can be sure I'll do it politely -- I should find out as soon as possible so that I can avoid wasting more of my time.

It doesn't really matter much, meta is only about closing projects these days. On that note, I still have a watchlist of several hundreds of articles on nl:wikipedia and in two years time not a single non-bot edit has happened in any of them.

Wow. Bad sign, actually, though in a mature project it would be a good sign. Somehow I doubt that it's mature.

[Guido den Broeder]

You had off-wiki conflict with Abigor? Tsk, tsk. Can you document that?

Yes. There is actually a police file on him.

I do see he blocked you before.

The guy, who in real life is the same nutcase as on-wiki, has blocked me on various wiki's at every opportunity. He keeps stalking, using dozens of IP addresses (in addition to a great variety of wiki-socks) and has also threatened me on various occasions.

[Abd]

Meta, edit warring on User:Thekohser. These actions were purely provocative. Trolling? The trolling here was from Abigor and Herbythyme. Quiet pages, till they came along. It's similar to Jeff G.'s actions.

You had off-wiki conflict with Abigor? Tsk, tsk. Can you document that?

Yes. There is actually a police file on him.

I do see he blocked you before.

The guy, who in real life is the same nutcase as on-wiki, has blocked me on various wiki's at every opportunity. He keeps stalking, using dozens of IP addresses (in addition to a great variety of wiki-socks) and has also threatened me on various occasions.

Prove it. It's not that I don't believe you, but that it's useless if there isn't proof or at least strong evidence.

[Moulton]

Greg is more likely to answer the troubled than to ask for troubles of his own.

Don't you know how provocative it is to be right?

No doubt you are quite right about that.

[RDH(Ghost In The Machine)]

I think this marks the long awaited manifestation of the 6th face of Jimbozo:

Rampaging Trailer Trash!

[thekohser]

...and then reverting IP (Kohs?)...

That wasn't me.

[NuclearWarfare]

Current revision as of 17:13, 6 May 2010 (view source)
Abigor (talk | contribs)
m (Protected "Public speakers": Counter-productive edit warring ([edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) [move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite)))

(Just a "minor" edit.)

Without commenting on the merits of his action, I just want to note that the protection is automatically marked as minor by the software, and there is no way to override it.

[thekohser]

Meta, edit warring on User:Thekohser. These actions were purely provocative. Trolling? The trolling here was from Abigor and Herbythyme. Quiet pages, till they came along. It's similar to Jeff G.'s actions.

Messing with my User page that documents my contributions to the wiki world, is just utterly tasteless and juvenile.

I'll be in San Francisco later this summer. I have some ideas.

[Guido den Broeder]

Prove it. It's not that I don't believe you, but that it's useless if there isn't proof or at least strong evidence.

Been there already. Nobody cared.

Greg is more likely to answer the troubled than to ask for troubles of his own.

Don't you know how provocative it is to be right?

No doubt you are quite right about that.

I usually offer to teach them to be always right themselves, which is quite easy actually. That tends to frighten them.

[thekohser]

Meta, edit warring on User:Thekohser. These actions were purely provocative. Trolling? The trolling here was from Abigor and Herbythyme. Quiet pages, till they came along. It's similar to Jeff G.'s actions.

And then there's the gloating.

So, where are the pro-Wikimedians to explain how altering an out-of-process blocked user's User page, long after they're gone, is somehow beneficial to the non-profit mission of the Wikimedia Foundation? Where are you guys?