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The discussion on Jimbo's talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo#Fox_News_report is bizarre. The main line of reasoning is that Fox News is right wing and bad, ergo everything in the article is false. No one seems actually to have read the article. The claims in the article are as follows

1. Chat room posts show efforts by pedophiles to use Wikipedia. This is correct, as anyone who visits the chat room (boychat) can verify.

2. Message boards include links to Wikipedia articles that 'need to be edited'. This is easy to verify.

3. (Quoting von Erk) Pedophiles have campaigned to push their POV on Wikipedia. Absolutely true. I myself earned a block for opposing their point of view. Or rather, for saying perfectly true things that were deemed 'personal attacks'.

4. (Quoting Sue Gardner) 'Wikipedia has a zero tolerance policy' - that is the one thing that is clearly false, but then they are quoting Sue Gardner.

5. A series of recent postings from the message board itself, which I can verify are true.

6. Some three-year old postings from Girlchat.

7. Mention of Wikipedia's critics (horror!). True: Wikipedia has critics.

8. The claim that the NAMBLA article has links to the NAMBLA site. True.

9. A quote from Hemanshu Negam, who works in IT security.

10. The claim that 'anyone can edit Wikipedia'. Surely not?

11. A claim about a post on Boychat by a user called 'Squeakbox'. Also perfectly true. There is such a user who names himself after the Wikipedia user (who is clearly not the same person, but anyone can give themselves an anonymous user name - that's the whole problem with anonymous user names).

12. Wikisposure has identified many convicted pedophiles who have been Wikipedia users. True. Many have been kicked off, but they just return under different user names. True. There is even one who was called 'Dominique' who returned calling themself 'DominiqueEncore'. Clever eh? Well none of the admins spotted it.

13. More claims by Nigam, who is co-chairman of President Obama's Online Safety Technology Group.


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In summary, I feel that FOX, apparently having found no legal support for claims that Wikipedia distributes child pornography, is now criticizing us because we allow the description of well-known pedophiles and pedophile political organizations. But it's all too clear that pretending the issue doesn't exist has never done anything to protect children. Wnt (talk) 03:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


No, read the article, idiot. The criticism is that Wikipedia allows outbound links to pedophile propagandist organisations and message boards.

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Fox News cites Hemanshu Nigam of SSP Blue, who — they say — speaking of the articles Pedophilia, NAMBLA, Child sex tourism, Sexual objectification, Child erotica, and Simulated child pornography, said that "These Wikipedia articles, edited and shared by pedophiles, are nothing but guideposts to get them aroused". I think that a brief examination of any of these articles refutes this outright.


Read the guy's biography, idiot. http://sspblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2010...-Nigam-Bio-.pdf

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Newsfeed   EXCLUSIVE: Pedophiles Find a Home on Wikipedia - FOXNews   Fri 25th June 2010, 4:50pm
Jon Awbrey   Working Link What's the deal with the GøøGÃ...   Fri 25th June 2010, 5:08pm
thekohser   Oh, this is going to have the Foundation in a tuss...   Fri 25th June 2010, 5:19pm
GlassBeadGame   Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero ...   Fri 25th June 2010, 5:28pm
Jon Awbrey   Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero...   Fri 25th June 2010, 6:40pm
Milton Roe   Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero...   Fri 25th June 2010, 6:43pm
Cedric   Oh, this is going to have the Foundation in a tus...   Fri 25th June 2010, 7:32pm
GlassBeadGame   Oh, this is going to have the Foundation in a tu...   Fri 25th June 2010, 8:04pm
Subtle Bee   Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "Boy...   Fri 25th June 2010, 9:10pm
GlassBeadGame   Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "Bo...   Fri 25th June 2010, 9:29pm
Subtle Bee   That occurred to me too. But Ms. Winter makes no ...   Fri 25th June 2010, 9:55pm
Cedric   Ms. Winters seems to be talking about a "Boy...   Fri 25th June 2010, 9:13pm
EricBarbour   Correct link, for those who can't figger out h...   Fri 25th June 2010, 10:15pm
thekohser   The most important part of this article centers on...   Sat 26th June 2010, 2:43am
Cedric   The most important part of this article centers o...   Sat 26th June 2010, 3:25am
Larry Sanger   [quote name='thekohser' post='241632' date='Fri 2...   Sat 26th June 2010, 4:53am
EricBarbour   Indeed, if this person actually has significant au...   Sat 26th June 2010, 5:29am
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Larry Sanger' post='241638' date='Fr...   Sat 26th June 2010, 6:23am
Milton Roe   The President certainly has bigger fish to fry an...   Sat 26th June 2010, 8:20am
Peter Damian   A site search shows there is a "Squeakbox...   Sat 26th June 2010, 6:16am
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   This is good ... has anyone actually spoken to Jan...   Sat 26th June 2010, 7:40am
Peter Damian   Presidents are over-rated when it comes to this k...   Sat 26th June 2010, 10:11am
WikiWatch   Interesting. Fox seems to think it can smell blood...   Sat 26th June 2010, 10:36am
dogbiscuit   Wikipedia is such an easy target, through their ow...   Sat 26th June 2010, 10:06am
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero ...   Sat 26th June 2010, 2:52pm
GlassBeadGame   Sue Gardner obviously has no idea what "zero...   Sat 26th June 2010, 8:11pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Who ... Erik 'the Child' Moellester?[quote...   Sun 27th June 2010, 3:24am
EricBarbour   So, just to clarify, it was ... Erik '[i]The ...   Mon 28th June 2010, 12:20am
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='241753' date='Sun 27th ...   Mon 28th June 2010, 1:48am
The Wales Hunter   Just noticed Squeakbox (Wiki user) is threatening ...   Sat 26th June 2010, 3:39pm
GlassBeadGame   Just noticed Squeakbox (Wiki user) is threatening...   Sat 26th June 2010, 4:26pm
CharlotteWebb   Just noticed Squeakbox (Wiki user) is threatening...   Sat 26th June 2010, 4:38pm
The Wales Hunter   Surprising the right-wingers on WP didn't bee...   Sat 26th June 2010, 7:46pm
Cedric   [quote name='CharlotteWebb' post='241668' date='S...   Sat 26th June 2010, 9:21pm
CharlotteWebb   Ha! I've read the Tweets of the man behin...   Sat 26th June 2010, 9:45pm
thekohser   Wikipedia Squeakbox has always come across as one...   Sun 27th June 2010, 7:52pm
Larry Sanger   ... So, he's one of the few Wikipedians oppos...   Mon 28th June 2010, 2:55am
the fieryangel   But there was a purge of pedophile editors in 200...   Mon 28th June 2010, 8:00am
dogbiscuit   But there was a purge of pedophile editors in 200...   Mon 28th June 2010, 10:21am
Stillwaterising   It is also worth remembering that you have to thi...   Mon 28th June 2010, 12:17pm
GlassBeadGame   It is also worth remembering that you have to th...   Mon 28th June 2010, 2:04pm
carbuncle   [quote name='Stillwaterising' post='241794' date=...   Mon 28th June 2010, 2:13pm
Selina   Wow, Fox news got something right for a change... ...   Sat 26th June 2010, 5:02pm
GlassBeadGame   The discussion on Jimbo's talk page http://en...   Sat 26th June 2010, 6:55pm
Peter Damian   Can you provide confirmation of (11)? This has ...   Sat 26th June 2010, 6:56pm
GlassBeadGame   Can you provide confirmation of (11)? This has...   Sat 26th June 2010, 7:07pm
CharlotteWebb   [quote name='Cock-up-over-conspira...   Sat 26th June 2010, 9:27pm
Moulton   Case 1: Impostor B claims to be A, whilst A cites ...   Sun 27th June 2010, 12:59pm
CharlotteWebb   [quote name='CharlotteWebb' post='241684' date='S...   Sun 27th June 2010, 2:47pm
Moulton   Game theory, gotta love it. Philosopher-Logician R...   Sun 27th June 2010, 6:49pm
Theanima   Fox News may well be right here, but it's a sh...   Sat 26th June 2010, 7:56pm
Peter Damian   Stillwaterising has come in for much criticism at ...   Sun 27th June 2010, 10:21am
HRIP7   Stillwaterising has come in for much criticism at...   Sun 27th June 2010, 10:52am
carbuncle   Stillwaterising has come in for much criticism at...   Sun 27th June 2010, 12:00pm
GlassBeadGame   Stillwaterising has come in for much criticism at...   Sun 27th June 2010, 3:37pm
Somey   To him the important thing is be some kind of ...   Sun 27th June 2010, 4:14pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Right, but putting his underlying motives aside fo...   Sun 27th June 2010, 5:38pm
Somey   Is it Japanese culture, pornography culture or und...   Sun 27th June 2010, 7:13pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   It's all three, and to some extent it can be a...   Mon 28th June 2010, 4:36am
HRIP7   [quote name='Somey' post='241727' date='Sun 27th ...   Sun 27th June 2010, 11:53pm
Jon Awbrey   He has learned how to get Wikipedia to feed his p...   Sun 27th June 2010, 4:18pm
Stillwaterising   I guess what I'm saying is that I can accept ...   Mon 28th June 2010, 1:04am
Peter Damian   False.   Sun 27th June 2010, 3:17pm
Peter Damian   Wales removed the discussion immediately after thi...   Sun 27th June 2010, 6:47pm
SB_Johnny   Wales removed the discussion immediately after th...   Sun 27th June 2010, 9:56pm
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thekohser   What is it about Wikipediots that they can't s...   Mon 28th June 2010, 2:53pm
Kelly Martin   What is it about Wikipediots that they can't s...   Mon 28th June 2010, 3:03pm
Jon Awbrey   What is it about Wikipediots that they [url=http...   Mon 28th June 2010, 3:08pm
thekohser   The DJ weighs in, after saying "I looked into...   Mon 28th June 2010, 3:19pm
Somey   This is only tangentially related to the thread, b...   Mon 28th June 2010, 5:53pm
thekohser   My question is, why on earth does WP carry an art...   Mon 28th June 2010, 7:49pm
Peter Damian   Answering some of Larry’s questions: # On the ...   Mon 28th June 2010, 6:46pm
Kelly Martin   The problem (as DogBiscuit clearly explains above)...   Mon 28th June 2010, 6:57pm
dogbiscuit   This is only true if the point of view being forw...   Mon 28th June 2010, 7:40pm
Milton Roe   Of course there are other sub-topics that have di...   Mon 28th June 2010, 7:56pm
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thekohser   So please Mr TheDJ, check your sources. Jana...   Mon 28th June 2010, 8:45pm
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