Cirt revisited Options

[carbuncle]

Delicious Carbuncle is Carbuncle here.

That seems to be the conclusion that people have drawn. Out of concerns for my personal safety, I cannot comment on whether or not that conclusion is correct.

[tarantino]

Smeelgova/Smee, Cirt's old account, was uniformly referred to as "she" in Wikipedia, and to my knowledge never corrected anyone referring to her as such. Cirt, the new account, usually goes by "he". Nobody knows which it is, and it doesn't really matter, though I personally tend to assume it's a "she". "They" is probably safest.

Cirt: 168935 contributions found in 61 projects.
Smee: 31878 contributions found in 11 projects.

Cirt is the penultimate wikimedia game player using "the project" to further his agenda. And Cirt is a he, though if I were to link to evidence supporting this, he would whine to Somey and it would be deleted.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Wasn't there some speculation that the Cirt account was operated by a team?

[HRIP7]

Smeelgova/Smee, Cirt's old account, was uniformly referred to as "she" in Wikipedia, and to my knowledge never corrected anyone referring to her as such. Cirt, the new account, usually goes by "he". Nobody knows which it is, and it doesn't really matter, though I personally tend to assume it's a "she". "They" is probably safest.

Cirt: 168935 contributions found in 61 projects.
Smee: 31878 contributions found in 11 projects.

Cirt is the penultimate wikimedia game player using "the project" to further his agenda. And Cirt is a he, though if I were to link to evidence supporting this, he would whine to Somey and it would be deleted.

Ah well, s/he used to be a fan of this place.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Ah well, s/he used to be a fan of this place.

I see that it was corresponding with Ckerr (T-C-L-K-R-D) . I faintly recall Ckerr -- wasn't he the token African-American Wikipediot back in Wikipedia's Wonder Years?

[TungstenCarbide]

Ah well, s/he used to be a fan of this place.

I see that it was corresponding with Ckerr (T-C-L-K-R-D) . I faintly recall Ckerr -- wasn't he the token African-American Wikipediot back in Wikipedia's Wonder Years?

you might be thinking of Bcorr (T-C-L-K-R-D)

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Bingo.

[EricBarbour]

Gosh, and I thought those guys were incapable of physical comedy! I must stand corrected.

Can we please stop making a mountain out of a molehill. A source was disputed. This minor dispute was escalated needlessly, causing several lengthy and unproductive discussions. Would you all please try to work together. Failing that, I support dishing out blocks for WP:BATTLE to those who want to keep fighting. Jehochman Talk 17:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you threatening me with a block, for handing out an arbitration enforcement sanction and defending it afterwards?! You've got some nerve. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Not unless you are fighting. Are you? Jehochman Talk 17:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, I am having a collegial discussion with you. Or I would be, if it wasn't for the fact that you suddenly turned against me with childish threats. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. Read what I wrote carefully and assume good faith, instead of assuming the worst. Jehochman Talk 17:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Jehochman! Where the fuck did that come from? We're tying to work out what's going on here and how we best enforce neutrality wrt Scientology, which is the point of the whole arbcom case. Threatening to block people for raising related issues you don't like is ridiculous aggression. Block me for that, I'll block you back, and then we'll all be blocked. Knock it off - this is schoolboy bullying WP:BATTLE tactics at their lowest..--Scott Mac 17:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you make your point without cursing and name-calling? Jehochman Talk 17:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Gents, please. I think you've all misunderstood each other and, of not, should resolve this on your own talk pages. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Who is this Jmh649 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ?

(undent) It seems like we have a group of people using Wikipedia Review to solicit support for criticizing Crit. Here we find User:Lar and User:Jayen466 for example. [163] Measures may need to be expanded a bit beyond these two to address off site attacks. BTW is Wikipedia Review counted as
WP:CANVASSING? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

He strikes me as an intolerant ranter, and prone to involvement in TM articles.
Gee, sorta like Cirt.

Hmm. He tends to follow Cirt, Future Perfect, and Will Beback around to these things, ain't that strange?
Isn't it funny how this was never closed out or resolved?
And isn't it funny that those same 3 bastards voted for Doc James in his RFA?

This post has been edited by EricBarbour: Wed 15th December 2010, 9:23am

[carbuncle]

Who is this Jmh649 (T-C-L-K-R-D) ?

(undent) It seems like we have a group of people using Wikipedia Review to solicit support for criticizing Crit. Here we find User:Lar and User:Jayen466 for example. [163] Measures may need to be expanded a bit beyond these two to address off site attacks. BTW is Wikipedia Review counted as
WP:CANVASSING? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

He strikes me as an intolerant ranter, and prone to involvement in TM articles.
Gee, sorta like Cirt.

Hmm. He tends to follow Cirt, Future Perfect, and Will Beback around to these things, ain't that strange?
Isn't it funny how this was never closed out or resolved?
And isn't it funny that those same 3 bastards voted for Doc James in his RFA?

You may know him as "the guy that put the Rohrschach test inkblots on Wikipedia". His dislike for WR may spring from things said about him here in discussions around that incident, but I'm just speculating.

[Jagärdu]

Gosh, and I thought those guys were incapable of physical comedy! I must stand corrected.

Can we please stop making a mountain out of a molehill. A source was disputed. This minor dispute was escalated needlessly, causing several lengthy and unproductive discussions. Would you all please try to work together. Failing that, I support dishing out blocks for WP:BATTLE to those who want to keep fighting. Jehochman Talk 17:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you threatening me with a block, for handing out an arbitration enforcement sanction and defending it afterwards?! You've got some nerve. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Not unless you are fighting. Are you? Jehochman Talk 17:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, I am having a collegial discussion with you. Or I would be, if it wasn't for the fact that you suddenly turned against me with childish threats. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. Read what I wrote carefully and assume good faith, instead of assuming the worst. Jehochman Talk 17:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Jehochman! Where the fuck did that come from? We're tying to work out what's going on here and how we best enforce neutrality wrt Scientology, which is the point of the whole arbcom case. Threatening to block people for raising related issues you don't like is ridiculous aggression. Block me for that, I'll block you back, and then we'll all be blocked. Knock it off - this is schoolboy bullying WP:BATTLE tactics at their lowest..--Scott Mac 17:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you make your point without cursing and name-calling? Jehochman Talk 17:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Gents, please. I think you've all misunderstood each other and, of not, should resolve this on your own talk pages. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit surprised that no-one has called "bullshit" on Jehochman's very blatant attempts to run interference for Cirt in this matter. Along with the above charade, he also tried telling editors discussing the matter in a light not favorable to Cirt at AN/I to "please stop now and drop it." This is of course, while he tried desperately to control the AE discussion ...

1) When people start discussing remedies that would also apply to Cirt, possibly topic banning him from Scientology BLPs, Jehochman jumps the gun and posts first in the "Results" section proposing wrist slaps all around instead.

2) After being bitched out by Scott Mac in the "Results" discussion, but without much real discussion by others yet, he tries to propose a more refined set of solutions, again deflecting attention from anything that might effect Cirt.

3) After a couple of more admins support Scott Mac's proposal to sanction Cirt, and a couple of Cirt's buddies object to such remedies, he motions to close the entire discussion, again without any skin off Cirt's back.

4) In his zeal to shut down negative comments about Cirt, Jehochman confuses Jayen466 and uninvolved admin Jayron32, thus striking Jayron's comments, claiming that Jayron is "highly involved". Of course the irony is that Jayron32 was one of the admins solicited by Cirt earlier in the process. After Jayron says exsqueeze me?, he of course apologizes for his blunder.

5) For a variety of bogus reasons he expresses "uneasiness" with people suggesting that Cirt should be sanctioned and even threatens to have everyone's behavior scrutinized by ARBCOM.

6) When it becomes clear that carbuncle's initial sanction was procedurally out of order, Jehochman tries again to resolve the matter in a way that gets Cirt off the hook.

There are clearly other examples of his meddling in this matter, and it is nothing new. Other than Cirt's more obvious POV bedfellows like Will Beback, and the like, Jehochman is a top notch Cirt enabler. In fact I'm sure he shares Cirt's POV, but simply keeps out of any of those content areas as much he can. I'm of the belief that many admins who support Cirt operate in that manner. They protect him because he's a useful tool to them ... someone who will cross the line to support their POV. And let's face it, who likes Scientology? I certainly don't but like carbuncle I think Cirt's behavior goes way above and beyond anything reasonable and is clearly damaging to the encyclopedia.

This post has been edited by Jagärdu: Thu 16th December 2010, 1:32pm

[thekohser]

I'm a bit surprised that no-one has called "bullshit" on Jehochman's very blatant attempts to run interference for Cirt in this matter.

Nothing surprising there. Paid editors stick together.

For example, you didn't seem me piling on Benjiboi recently, did you?

[A Horse With No Name]

For example, you didn't seem me piling on Benjiboi recently, did you?

There's an opportunity there for some crass innuendo, but I will abstain from stating the obvious.

[Jagärdu]

Nothing surprising there. Paid editors stick together.

Are you implying that Jehochman is a paid editor? Does he even write articles?

[lilburne]

Nothing surprising there. Paid editors stick together.

Are you implying that Jehochman is a paid editor? Does he even write articles?

You don't need to edit to get paid, you just need to make sure that writers don't get blocked.

[Jagärdu]

Nothing surprising there. Paid editors stick together.

Are you implying that Jehochman is a paid editor? Does he even write articles?

You don't need to edit to get paid, you just need to make sure that writers don't get blocked.

In the last week, amongst 100+ edits to noticeboards, talk pages, templates and AfDs these are Jehochman's 3 lonely edits to article content.

1) Tagging Guru.com

2)Removing a deleted photo from Brad Vice

3)Removing "linkspam" from Search Engine Optimization.

It is no wonder that content editors like Giano go ballistic when jokers like this start criticizing them. I have to admit that not even I thought that his content edits, which are pretty pathetic on their own as well, would be below 3% of his total count for the past week. Jeebers.

This post has been edited by Jagärdu: Thu 16th December 2010, 3:38pm

[thekohser]

You don't need to edit to get paid, you just need to make sure that writers don't get blocked.

Indeed. Also, remember... Hochman has employees doing the actual work.

[Jagärdu]

You don't need to edit to get paid, you just need to make sure that writers don't get blocked.

Indeed. Also, remember... Hochman has employees doing the actual work.

Is there something else I can read on Hochman's connection to paid editing or is this just something you're throwing around right now?

[thekohser]

Is there something else I can read on Hochman's connection to paid editing or is this just something you're throwing around right now?

Sure, there's a whole, professional page where Hochman admits to paid editing.

I notice you make no similar demands for proof about Cirt's paid editing.

[Zoloft]

Is there something else I can read on Hochman's connection to paid editing or is this just something you're throwing around right now?

Sure, there's a whole, professional page where Hochman admits to paid editing.

I notice you make no similar demands for proof about Cirt's paid editing.

I'm a paid editor as well...
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...just not on Wikipedia.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Sure, there's a whole, professional page where Hochman admits to paid editing.

Try this, more specific.