Commons contributor Midnight68, Little girls' knickers, spanking, lolicons Options

[HRIP7]

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This post has been edited by HRIP7: Fri 6th August 2010, 12:28pm

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

For the record:


http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBz43UU
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC0fdwP
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC278rM
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC44sYu
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC7WxCa
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBsbZ67
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBxRysQ
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBvhNSH
http://www.webcitation.org/5rn7z7BOv
http://www.webcitation.org/5rn7qIlB3

Please merge topic with a previous porn/pedophile topic?

[SB_Johnny]

For the record:


http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBz43UU
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC0fdwP
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC278rM
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC44sYu
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnC7WxCa
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBsbZ67
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBxRysQ
http://www.webcitation.org/5rnBvhNSH
http://www.webcitation.org/5rn7z7BOv
http://www.webcitation.org/5rn7qIlB3

Please merge topic with a previous porn/pedophile topic?

Ew. Why did those need preserving?

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Ew. Why did those need preserving?

I just put in a report to the FBI etc and wanted the evidence to last long enough for them to look at. I used the webcite address rather than Wikipedian ones.

I suspect Webcite will, will have to, or should removed them but not a quickly at the Porno-pedia will.

I think a significant body of evidence has to built up to show outsiders what is really going on.

To that end, it does not help if either well intended individuals from here or pro-status quo trolls quickly keep removing the stuff we uncover. I appreciate that some are motivated by public decency and responsible adulthood, but others by an irresponsible or cultish defense of the value extolled by the Wikipedia.


"etchi" means erotic, "hentai" means perverted, "lolicon" is of young girls.

No. Under US law, these images are NOT child pornography. An image can only be judged CP if it is photographic and involves an actual child. These are simply drawn images and do not constitute any legal violation under United States Law. They may be considered lolicon, ecchi or hentai, but none of these are illegal in the US, where Commons' servers are located. In addition, I would like to direct your attention to this page, where it is clearly stated that Commons is not censored. ... were all submitted in good faith.

--Midnight68 (talk) 04:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Describing images of children in underwear as Child Pornography is ridicolous [sic] -I see no sex act in the images I've seen (and if there's any -I admit I haven't clicked them all) ...

Most of the delete votes seem to be based on moral panic and/or on false assumptions (e.g. that the images are "fake" or a copyvio). --Cyclopia (talk) 18:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


In particular, I would find the pre-1960s-TV-filter version of the "screenshots" to be fascinating. Especially if it turned out to be higher resolution. Powers (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sat 7th August 2010, 1:51am

[timbo]

I just put in a report to the FBI etc and wanted the evidence to last long enough for them to look at. I used the webcite address rather than Wikipedian ones.

I suspect Webcite will, will have to, or should removed them but not a quickly at the Porno-pedia will.

I think a significant body of evidence has to built up to show outsiders what is really going on.

To that end, it does not help if either well intended individuals from here or pro-status quo trolls quickly keep removing the stuff we uncover. I appreciate that some are motivated by public decency and responsible adulthood, but others by an irresponsible or cultish defense of the value extolled by the Wikipedia.

Well, at least you're clear about the fact that you're a police informer not over matters of child protection, public decency, or a desire to stamp out the scourge of child pornography, but over a desire to bring down Wikipedia by any means, fair or foul.

Clarity is good.


tim

This post has been edited by timbo: Mon 9th August 2010, 8:01pm

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Speaking of the connection between manga and anime culture and abuse earlier this year,

Adelstein said, "Pedophiles use manga to convince the kids that sexual abuse is a normal way

of expressing affection."

That is precisely what Midnight68 was doing in his animations. Specifically animating how "fun" it is to have adults pull down infants' underpants and inspect their private parts, to cross dress male children and play spanking games.

Did I do something wrong?

Well, at least you're clear about the fact that you're a police informer not over matters of child protection, public decency, or a desire to stamp out the scourge of child pornography, but over a desire to bring down Wikipedia by any means, fair or foul.

I think you will find that even the most hardened criminals in the world - the most hardened criminals in the world - have a pretty tough line on child sex abusers and child sex pornographers. It is considered to be a very much, and disrespected, lower order of crime.

What do you suggest we do turn a blind eye to it? No one wants pedophiles in their neighborhood, Tim ... do you?

For the record, it was not the police, it was an FBI run internet watch site IC3 (please others use it):

The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).

Just the other day I was reading Jake Adelstein of the Polaris Project write of a heart warming incident in Japan where a pervert molested a 4-year-old girl in a neighborhood where the yakuza were present. They chopped his arm off and then did the gentlemanly thing of dropping him off at the local hospital afterwards. Sadly, I do not have the back up to do so myself, but I'd buy the guy that did it a drink and shake his hand. There are too many older white creeps in Asia, like this Midnight68 Wikipedian, acting as predators on children.

I think pedophilia of any sort should be a capital offence. It is worse than the murder of a child because the child victim is left to live it for life. I do not see what society gains by paying for their keep in prison or maintaining their genetic line.

For the record, I am not of the "bring down the Wikipedia" camp. I am of the "reform Wikipedia now or you're fucked" camp.

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Mon 9th August 2010, 9:54pm

[timbo]

Well, at least you're clear about the fact that you're a police informer not over matters of child protection, public decency, or a desire to stamp out the scourge of child pornography, but over a desire to bring down Wikipedia by any means, fair or foul.

I think you will find that even the most hardened criminals in the world - the most hardened criminals in the world - have a pretty tough line on child sex abusers and child sex pornographers. It is considered to be a very much, and disrespected, lower order of crime.

What do you suggest we do turn a blind eye to it? No one wants pedophiles in their neighborhood, Tim ... do you?

For the record, it was not the police, it was an FBI run internet watch site IC3 (please others use it):

The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).

Just the other day I was reading Jake Adelstein of the Polaris Project write of a heart warming incident in Japan where a pervert molested a 4-year-old girl in a neighborhood where the yakuza were present. They chopped his arm off and then did the gentlemanly thing of dropping him off at the local hospital afterwards. Sadly, I do not have the back up to do so myself, but I'd buy the guy that did it a drink and shake his hand. There are too many older white creeps in Asia, like this Midnight68 Wikipedian, acting as predators on children.

I think pedophilia of any sort should be a capital offence. It is worse than the murder of a child because the child victim is left to live it for life. I do not see what society gains by paying for their keep in prison or maintaining their genetic line.

For the record, I am not of the "bring down the Wikipedia" camp. I am of the "reform Wikipedia now or you're fucked" camp.

Excuse me, read: ...SECRET police informer...

My issue isn't with your pursuing legal action against what you believe to be violations of the law regarding pedophilia, but with your brazen encouragement of people NOT to take down such material so as to "build a case" against Wikipedia. That's pretty pathetic, if you ask me...

t

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

My issue isn't with your pursuing legal action against what you believe to be violations of the law regarding pedophilia, but with your brazen encouragement of people NOT to take down such material so as to "build a case" against Wikipedia. That's pretty pathetic, if you ask me ...

Ah, now you are changing your tune now so as not to be labeled a nonce. Apparently, according to the Wikipedia, nonce is an acronym for "Not Of Normal Criminal Element". A nonce would typically defend a system that is open to abuse, the proliferation of child sex porn and the grooming of children and young people into extreme sexual activities.

You see, Timbo, the problem is with the wide open system. Volunteers, let alone teenage admins should not have to waste their time policing this kind of evil and insidious filth day in day out ... especially without support. In any reputable NPO, any such volunteers would at the very least receive training, counseling and be subject to checks and balances. Who knows the longer term effect as yet?


One needs to allow the build up of evidence, not hide it all away. That is the way it works. A critical mass has to come about. This is the way the police, IRS, the FBI etc all have to work. You have to wait until the crime is done and you know where the criminal lives. Not keep brushing it under the carpet.

The problem is with the Wikipedian system. The system has to change because the people will not. The offenders will just become worse ... more and more skilled at exploiting the Wikipedia.

Generation and generation of volunteer is just being sucked in to the Wiki-cult, bled dry on such stupidities, and then spat out ... to be replaced at a later date by a new encultee. That is not "fixing the problem".

NuclearWarfare, Tiptoety and others etc are all like enthusiastic young cult members in denial about their cult's and their cult leader's reality. Throwing away their youth for the sake of a few pot bellied, grey haired masturbators (literal and metaphorical).

I hope they realises the nature of those structural problems, the futility of maintenance, and sees beyond sustaining the Wiki-cult at some point in his life.

[EricBarbour]

NuclearWarfare, Tiptoety and others etc are all like enthusiastic young cult members in denial about their cult's and their cult leader's reality. Throwing away their youth for the sake of a few pot bellied, grey haired masturbators (literal and metaphorical).

I hope they realises the nature of those structural problems, the futility of maintenance, and sees beyond sustaining the Wiki-cult at some point in his life.

I seriously doubt you're going to get thru to "Timbo".
He's an AIW member.
One of the more demented organizations listed on this page.
(Which is itself a horror show of madness.)

Guess who else is a dedicated AIW member.......yep, Tyciol!

(Apparently the socialist "Timbo" doesn't realize what a rabid capitalist little Jimmy Wales really is.
Nor that he's a member of a WP user group that also welcomes one of WP's most notorious pedophiles.)


This post has been edited by EricBarbour: Tue 10th August 2010, 3:25am

[timbo]

(Apparently the socialist "Timbo" doesn't realize what a rabid capitalist little Jimmy Wales really is.
Nor that he's a member of a WP user group that also welcomes one of WP's most notorious pedophiles.)

Oh, I'm aware of the politics of the Ayn Rand fan... Many of Wikipedia's problems relate to the fact that the institution was set up by a couple of philosophy buffs rather than historians. "Veracity? Truth? What's that?!? All published facts are equal, we must tell all the various truths neutrally..."

Hmmmm. Okay.

As for pedophiles, they are everywhere. If being an adherent of Wikipedia Inclusionism by associating with the extremely amorphous AIW is invalid due to the presence of a pedophile somewhere on the massive list of members, I shudder to think what you all think about those who willingly associate with the highly structured Catholic church, for instance...

Of course, I jest — but not much. It's a fake argument against AIW.

t

[Somey]

It's a fake argument against AIW.

Well, here I would have to agree with Mr. Timbo. There are more than enough genuine arguments against AIW (I always think of root beer when I see this acronym) to make this sort of guilt-by-association argument necessary, or even advisable. Besides, from what I can gather, this "Tyciol" person pretty much joins any group he possibly can - in fact, I think that's a large part of his overall strategy, if it can be called that. He'd probably join the "ADW" too, if he thought it might help him pursue his agen-... oops, wait, sure enough, there he is!

Then again, as much as I'd like to see Wikipedia disappear altogether, I wouldn't even argue much against "inclusionism" in the first place (and this is also assuming I believed "inclusionism" to be something other than a red herring), if Wikipedia had a sensible opt-out policy... at least for BLP's.

[EricBarbour]

It's a fake argument against AIW.

Well, here I would have to agree with Mr. Timbo. There are more than enough genuine arguments against AIW (I always think of root beer when I see this acronym) to make this sort of guilt-by-association argument necessary, or even advisable. Besides, from what I can gather, this "Tyciol" person pretty much joins any group he possibly can - in fact, I think that's a large part of his overall strategy, if it can be called that. He'd probably join the "ADW" too, if he thought it might help him pursue his agen-... oops, wait, sure enough, there he is!

I'm not making an argument against AIW, and I'm not making an argument against the ADW, either.
I'm trying to say that ALL of those Wiki-organizations are inherently bogus. Mr. Tyciol proved it by
joining both outfits, which have violently opposite and mutually-hostile philosophies. He doesn't care,
he's got a POV to push, and he'll do and say anything, to anyone, to get his demented little way.

Wikipedia's "user associations" are microcosms of Wikipedia's general userbase and social construct.
It's a sick society. Full of hypocrisy, false "political idealisms", backstabbing, and mercenary behaviour.

Any "cooperation" is often more like enemies agreeing to attack a third party to achieve a personal goal
than it is like a filial association. Those other guys are likely to turn on you as soon as the goal
is achieved, and they want to go on to the next goal.

That's the point I'm trying to make. And that's a damned shitty way to run a general-information database.
It didn't work for the Soviet Union, which survived for 70 years mostly thru political
terrorism and violent suppression of dissent.

Wikipedia smells like that. All they need is a gulag. (Well, WR is like the gulag, as much of a gulag
as those nerds will ever get. They haven't got the nerve to go around physically assassinating their critics.)