User:Chase me ladies, I'm the cavalry, Another member of the military moonlights as an admin and makes a fool Options

[Heat]

User:Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry is a member of "The Armed Forces of the Crown" (ie the Royal Navy) and a wikipedia admin on OTRS duty. He seems to have cocked this one up by taking at 100% face value an OTRS complaint by professional conspiracy theorist Isreal Shamir that User:RolandR was using Wikipedia to try to get him assassinated. Can you really enforce BLP by libelling an editor?

[Ottava]

Mods, why is this in a public forum? Shouldn't it be somewhere like BLP forum?

This doesn't seem to have anything to do with his activities. I came here expecting something and I see nothing.

We have Arbitrators who plagiarize. We have arbitrators who have sex websites. We have arbitrators who have all sorts of ethical problems.

Military related issues have little to do with maintaining an encyclopedia and upholding encyclopedic standards. Are we to draw that he cannot be trusted because he puffed up his background in his youth? If so, then 99% of Wikimedians can't be trusted.

How about some real issues. Out of all the Arbitrators, I think he is probably someone I could actually respected or, at least, tolerate. Many of them have demonstrated some of the worse possible behavior on Wiki or off Wiki.

And who cares if he doesn't have a job. I don't care. I would predict that most editors here don't have a job. The ones that do, like Thekohser have internet related work that explains why they are here. Hell, much of my activity here and online was to subsidize my boredom between putting out campaign propaganda on message boards and news sites.


But in short, I am bothered that so many people take pot shots about an identified person while hiding behind fake names. So many people are fast and loose with other people's personal details while hiding their own. Can we implement a rule that anyone who reveals other people's info has their IP revealed and their email they used to registered here revealed?

I mean, come on. How do we know that some of these people doing it aren't prominent wikimedians just doing it all for political gain? We do we know that someone who would go after The Cavalry is not, say, another Arbitrator who wants to get rid of a rival? There seems to be no legitimate reason to embarrass others while hiding behind a fake name. And about the Arbitrators - of the current ArbCom, about half have used WR and I know of at least two that used different names from their Wiki names. So, it isn't beyond reason to think it could happen.

[Heat]

Mods, why is this in a public forum? Shouldn't it be somewhere like BLP forum?

This doesn't seem to have anything to do with his activities. I came here expecting something and I see nothing.

Lying about your credentials is a pretty big thing. Claiming you're a "Royal Navy Officer" implies a certain level of accomplishment and responsibility which would undoubtedly have impressed people voting for ArbComm. Secondly, as an editor, claiming that you are a military officer lends your edits in military articles a certain weight and credibility they might not otherwise have as well as help your position in related discussions. It's actually quite similar to the Essjay nonsense.

[Ottava]

Mods, why is this in a public forum? Shouldn't it be somewhere like BLP forum?

This doesn't seem to have anything to do with his activities. I came here expecting something and I see nothing.

Lying about your credentials is a pretty big thing. Claiming you're a "Royal Navy Officer" implies a certain level of accomplishment and responsibility ...

That has nothing to do with editing an encyclopedia. You know? Essjay lied about being a professor and having degrees to win theological arguments. I haven't seen Chase battle in MilHistory articles.

However, -those articles- do have many problems that were encouraged by a culture of "I don't give a damn" led by Roger Davies and his "I made minimal changes to the source when making this article because I can't actually write any but I need articles to justify running MilHist so I can become an arbitrator".



Peter Damian

You have another appeal lodged with the Liars Committee, I take it?

Sadly as always. Another reject before it was sent in. I will win the award for longest "year" ever most likely (i.e. it 2021 will be when they let me back in).

But I believe you are referring to me either defending Chase (if I am?) or attacking other Arbs. As to the first, I doubt he really cares about my opinion either way. As per the second, shooting myself in the foot and not doing the political expedient thing is my MO.

As per statements from many Arbs, if I just vanished for 6 months then did a lot of sucking up I would be instantly allowed back in. I have enough will power that such would be easy. I just don't "want" it enough to do that. You know? Editing never really did anything for me except make me upset, but that could be having been intimidated by people and bullied by people from day one, from Geogre's socking nonsense to Moreschi's tag teaming and constant outing nonsense.

My real purpose here is to fight off a culture of baseless outing at WR. It is personal, as those like SB Johnny toss around my personal information without any care. It is one thing if such people have their own info available, like Daniel Brandt. Daniel Brandt reveals others because of his own BLP being tarnished.

But isn't it hypocritical for people to hide in anonymity and bully others through outing? I can respect Brandt and I sympathise with him. I can't respect the others. Somey has thankfully deleted tons of posts by many people where they put up my real life details, address, phone number, etc. But the culture continues. It is a sickness of the internet - I get to be anonymous but you don't.

Either we are all anonymous or all well-known, not this current hateful bs. And Peter, I don't have your email address anymore so drop me an email sometime. I would have BCC'd my ArbCom appeal to you so you could have seen what was up.

[Peter Damian]

I believe you are referring to me either defending Chase (if I am?) or attacking other Arbs.

Neither really, it was a joke. You asked "How do we know that some of these people doing it aren't prominent wikimedians just doing it all for political gain? " I wondered if you were the prominent Wikipedian defending a member of Arbcom for political gain. Just a joke, you understand. No need to reply.

This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Tue 18th January 2011, 10:16pm