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QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 18th January 2011, 7:36pm)
Mods, why is this in a public forum? Shouldn't it be somewhere like BLP forum?
This doesn't seem to have anything to do with his activities. I came here expecting something and I see nothing.
Lying about your credentials is a pretty big thing. Claiming you're a "Royal Navy Officer" implies a certain level of accomplishment and responsibility which would undoubtedly have impressed people voting for ArbComm. Secondly, as an editor, claiming that you are a military officer lends your edits in military articles a certain weight and credibility they might not otherwise have as well as help your position in related discussions. It's actually quite similar to the Essjay nonsense.
Mods, why is this in a public forum? Shouldn't it be somewhere like BLP forum?
This doesn't seem to have anything to do with his activities. I came here expecting something and I see nothing.
Lying about your credentials is a pretty big thing. Claiming you're a "Royal Navy Officer" implies a certain level of accomplishment and responsibility ...
That has nothing to do with editing an encyclopedia. You know? Essjay lied about being a professor and having degrees to win theological arguments. I haven't seen Chase battle in MilHistory articles.
However, -those articles- do have many problems that were encouraged by a culture of "I don't give a damn" led by Roger Davies and his "I made minimal changes to the source when making this article because I can't actually write any but I need articles to justify running MilHist so I can become an arbitrator".
Peter Damian
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You have another appeal lodged with the Liars Committee, I take it?
Sadly as always. Another reject before it was sent in. I will win the award for longest "year" ever most likely (i.e. it 2021 will be when they let me back in).
But I believe you are referring to me either defending Chase (if I am?) or attacking other Arbs. As to the first, I doubt he really cares about my opinion either way. As per the second, shooting myself in the foot and not doing the political expedient thing is my MO.
As per statements from many Arbs, if I just vanished for 6 months then did a lot of sucking up I would be instantly allowed back in. I have enough will power that such would be easy. I just don't "want" it enough to do that. You know? Editing never really did anything for me except make me upset, but that could be having been intimidated by people and bullied by people from day one, from Geogre's socking nonsense to Moreschi's tag teaming and constant outing nonsense.
My real purpose here is to fight off a culture of baseless outing at WR. It is personal, as those like SB Johnny toss around my personal information without any care. It is one thing if such people have their own info available, like Daniel Brandt. Daniel Brandt reveals others because of his own BLP being tarnished.
But isn't it hypocritical for people to hide in anonymity and bully others through outing? I can respect Brandt and I sympathise with him. I can't respect the others. Somey has thankfully deleted tons of posts by many people where they put up my real life details, address, phone number, etc. But the culture continues. It is a sickness of the internet - I get to be anonymous but you don't.
Either we are all anonymous or all well-known, not this current hateful bs. And Peter, I don't have your email address anymore so drop me an email sometime. I would have BCC'd my ArbCom appeal to you so you could have seen what was up.
[snip][Look at the monkey! Look at the silly monkey!][/snip]
Let me know if you have any questions.
Kind regards,
Richard
P.S. If anyone wants to contact me for any reason, I'm on chasemewiki@gmail.com.
Well, well! Our Richard sure likes to live dangerously, doesn't he? Impersonating an officer of Her Majesty's Navy and treasonable correspondence with the enemy. What's his encore? Burgling the crown jewels? Blowing up Parliament?
As per statements from many Arbs, if I just vanished for 6 months then did a lot of sucking up I would be instantly allowed back in. I have enough will power that such would be easy. I just don't "want" it enough to do that. You know? Editing never really did anything for me except make me upset, but that could be having been intimidated by people and bullied by people from day one, from Geogre's socking nonsense to Moreschi's tag teaming and constant outing nonsense.
I believe you are referring to me either defending Chase (if I am?) or attacking other Arbs.
Neither really, it was a joke. You asked "How do we know that some of these people doing it aren't prominent wikimedians just doing it all for political gain? " I wondered if you were the prominent Wikipedian defending a member of Arbcom for political gain. Just a joke, you understand. No need to reply.
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QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 18th January 2011, 3:30pm)
Although when I was researching semen reservists on Google, I accidentally came across this cached page of a LinkedIn profile of someone with the same name.
Semen Reservist, I like that. Is that some kind of Taoist sex practise? Yeah, I had this guy arrogantly and erroneously twat all over me but he sure wasn't holding back on the juices.
This has all the making of a good cartoon, I would say. Keep it up Richard (... all night if you can). Hmmn, arbcom member falsifying status and then erasing evidence, girlfriend keeping him to play 8 hours a day on the Wikipedia? I would have thought there were more worthy causes to do ... like cooking, washing & housework. On what grounds does he establish his superiority to make judgements on others?
It is funny how these types, when busted, start whimpering on about "security risks" and "fear of attacks" to distract from their own malfeasance. It is like a pantomime get out, "no, no, it's not me, I'm not the bad guy, it's them ... look over there ... (exeunt stage left quickly)" Does his CO follow the Wikipedia too? Does a man in uniform constitute a security risk?
And looking at the Webcite, pray tell me what level of Wikipedia is an "+editocunt" (Revision as of 01:09, 27 August 2008)? Over to you Dr Freud.
Oh, look, he is an expert in Orthomolecular Medicine too.
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03:02, 13 December 2010 Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk | contribs) deleted "Orthomolecular Medicine for India" (Promotes medically problematic views, written by someone with a flawed understanding of medicine)
QUOTE(Dr Vaman @ Tue 18th January 2011, 3:30pm)
Dear Sir I am new to wiki and did not know how to add a comment. So I am adding my note here. I noticed that you have deleted my page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecula...icine_for_India I am a qualified MD with a Post Graduation in Acupuncture from Harvard. I have given authentic, research based references along with links in my article.
I wonder if Dr Vaman knows he is being judged by an unemployed geek, living off his girlfriend, faking his credentials and then hiding it?
CEO of INSOM - Indian Society for Orthomolecular Medicine Member of Harvard Medical School Postgraduate Association - JNV 9914 Emeritus Member of the Society for Neuroscience Fellow of American Society for Laser Medicine and Surgery Member of American Holistic Medicine Association Member of International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine
Nah, fuck him. Does anyone have a high resolution photo of him with next to that decrepit phallic object?
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 18th January 2011, 9:02pm)
I believe you are referring to me either defending Chase (if I am?) or attacking other Arbs.
Neither really, it was a joke. You asked "How do we know that some of these people doing it aren't prominent wikimedians just doing it all for political gain? " I wondered if you were the prominent Wikipedian defending a member of Arbcom for political gain. Just a joke, you understand. No need to reply.
I see. But I think the rest of my statement covered the possibility (not the "joke" part).
If I wanted to suck up to Arbs, I would have 1. made statements before they practically denied my ban appeal, 2. wouldn't have gone after John Vandenberg over the Poetlister mess, 3. probably wouldn't edit anywhere.
I still think you have a better chance of passing an appeal. Have you tried one lately? I'm sure you will be unbanned by a good 3-4 years before me.
QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Tue 18th January 2011, 5:23pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 18th January 2011, 5:15pm)
QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 18th January 2011, 9:02pm)
I believe you are referring to me either defending Chase (if I am?) or attacking other Arbs.
Neither really, it was a joke. You asked "How do we know that some of these people doing it aren't prominent wikimedians just doing it all for political gain? " I wondered if you were the prominent Wikipedian defending a member of Arbcom for political gain. Just a joke, you understand. No need to reply.
I see. But I think the rest of my statement covered the possibility (not the "joke" part).
If I wanted to suck up to Arbs, I would have 1. made statements before they practically denied my ban appeal, 2. wouldn't have gone after John Vandenberg over the Poetlister mess, 3. probably wouldn't edit anywhere.
I still think you have a better chance of passing an appeal. Have you tried one lately? I'm sure you will be unbanned by a good 3-4 years before me.
QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Tue 18th January 2011, 5:23pm)
Harvard teaches acupuncture? o.O You can get a doctorate in it? o.O
No. Harvard Medical School, ever ready to take anybody's money for anything, apparently teaches a continuing medical education course in acupuncture, aimed at physicians (people who have graduated medical school and internship), as a 9 month part-time postgraduate course (Oct. 2009-June 2010). They may not be too careful about who they let in, or else they didn't check the credentials of this J.N. Vaman dude, who doesn't really have any credentials as a physician that anybody in the West would recognize.
His "MD in acupuncture" is claimed by him as result of 1) an 11 month hospital residency (Sir Anton Jayasuriya Charitable Hospital No. 08) in Sri Lanka, May 2009-April 2010 and has nothing to do with Harvard. Nor anything to do with M.D. degrees in other parts of the world. Apparently the internship and residency are done all at once, in less than a year. A great timesaver for doctors on the go, and I suppose very possible, as there aren't too many middle of the night emergencies in acupuncture (so forget your romantic doctor visions of rushing down the hall with a breathless nurse to do acupuncture CPR).
In another CV, Vaman says that 2) his MD degree is actually from Medicina Alternativa University, Sri Lanka (Acupuncture, 2004 — 2010). http://in.linkedin.com/in/drvaman
Strangely, the Medicina Alternativa U. got left out of the other CV, in which (if you don't read carefully) it looks like the man attended medical school at Harvard medical school, and got his MD from there. The post grad program there, is put in where the "medical school" bit should go (before internship and residency), and the actual MD-conferring school is left out entirely. Cute. Apparently it is this school:
A bunch of holistic types get together in Colombo, Sri Lanka, and call each other "doctor." After some period of time, they start to believe it. Then, they give each other M.D. degrees in acupuncture (shades of the Wizard of Oz) and off they go around the world.
Vaman, who practices in India, has chutzpah. If one is to believe Vaman's C.V., 6 months after starting his Sri Lankan hospital internship/residency in acupuncture, Vaman managed to be accepted in Oct. 2009 into the Harvard "postgraduate course" aimed at real M.D.s. Wups. He wasn't even through with his internship/residency in Sri Lanka, yet (again it appears not a very demanding one, timewise). In fact, his C.V. makes it clear that from Oct. 2009 to April 2010, he was enrolled BOTH in this Sri Lankan acupuncture hospital internship/residency AND the Harvard postgrad program (in Boston) that was supposed to be for people who already have M.D.s. One supposes he flew back and forth.
Military related issues have little to do with maintaining an encyclopedia and upholding encyclopedic standards.
Yes but theology and canon law have even less, especially for a so-called educational charity. Also the mil-hist stuff is slightly easier to stomach content-wise.
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Are we to draw that he cannot be trusted because he puffed up his background in his youth? If so, then 99% of Wikimedians can't be trusted.
As opposed to roughly 98.6% prior to your above statement?
QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Tue 18th January 2011, 10:23pm)
Semen Reservist, I like that. Is that some kind of Taoist sex practise? Yeah, I had this guy arrogantly and erroneously twat all over me but he sure wasn't holding back on the juices.
You'll be delighted to know the Catholic church recently approved it for male prostitutes. I guess they owed all those ex-altar-boys a favor.
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 18th January 2011, 7:36pm)
Military related issues have little to do with maintaining an encyclopedia and upholding encyclopedic standards.
Yes but theology and canon law have even less, especially for a so-called educational charity. Also the mil-hist stuff is slightly easier to stomach content-wise.
My point was that I am not seeing any examples of him using his status on MilHistory pages to push a view.
That was what Essjay did on Theology pages. I would like to see examples of that instead of just vague background statements.
As I said, there are other Arbitrators that have damaged the encyclopedia in serious ways. If Chase did that then why is it not filling this thread? Why talk about whatever semantic gray area military boring UK stuff that exists and not about active page destruction by other Arbs? Seems like a red herring.
I care about plagiarism. That is just me, I guess. The above pursuits are boring.
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I haven't gone through Chase's edits to see if he's edited on military matters or had any related disputes, even if he hasn't, claiming to be a Royal Navy officer would have given him undeserved prestige and respect from editors who care about status and the like and undoubtedly would have helped him win votes when he was running for ArbComm since, as I said earlier, since a good percentage of editors would think being an officer means the candidate has demonstrated a degree of responsibility and good judgment in real life.
since a good percentage of editors would think being an officer means the candidate has demonstrated a degree of responsibility and good judgment in real life.
Then there are those like Malleus and myself that thinks that adminship in general means that you are rely on politics and go after decent people instead of bothering to do any work on the encyclopedia.
Myspacers might think the rank is great, but myspacers are insane in general so who cares.
I haven't gone through Chase's edits to see if he's edited on military matters or had any related disputes, even if he hasn't, claiming to be a Royal Navy officer would have given him undeserved prestige and respect from editors who care about status and the like and undoubtedly would have helped him win votes when he was running for ArbComm since, as I said earlier, since a good percentage of editors would think being an officer means the candidate has demonstrated a degree of responsibility and good judgment in real life.
I think it's most likely that he said he was an officer because that is what young men do - promote themselves a little to impress and make themselves sound slightly more interesting. I expect it was nothing more than that, and now a a few years later he has grown up and regrets it. If we were all shot for the sins of our youth, there would not be many of us left. I have not seen him pontificating and claiming superiority in an arguement because he was an officer. I think the whole thing was nothing more than a childish vanity buried in his past.
He was clearly thrown into the media circus by the foundation with no guidance at all. London hotels and clubs are full of meeting rooms available for hire, specially designed for interviews, with shelves of leather bound books and classical art to act as backgrounds and provide gravitas. Next time he will turn up on neutral territory with his laptop and a prepared and checked script and stick to it. I would love to have heard the leading questions editied out that interview, not to mention what ended up on the cutting room floor.
It's my view that Wikipedia's PR machine has always been crap. The real villains are those that let him go so naively into the lion's den and failed to advise him on dealing with the media. If editors are going to be authrorised to speak on behalf of the project, the project should ensure they are equipped to do so in all respects. I will even go so far as to say he will be a much wiser and better arbitrator as a result of this debacle. Let him now show he's grown up and is wiser.
Anyway he seems bright enough and alert, he'll soon find a job and won't have time for all this 8 hours a day silliness.
Giacomo
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